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That 29% are the dead enders.

You're talking about the same people who aren't sure Trump talked about Biden to the president of Ukraine.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...40-percent-of-republicans-say-trump-mentioned

Just 4 in 10 Republicans say they think President Trump discussed an investigation into Democratic presidential rival Joe Biden during a phone call with Ukraine's president, despite Trump acknowledging having done so, according to a new Monmouth University poll.

The survey, which was released Tuesday, found that 40 percent of Republican respondents said Trump "probably did" raise the idea of an investigation into Biden and Biden's son over unsubstantiated allegations of corruption during a July 25 conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Meanwhile, 29 percent of Republicans said Trump "probably did not" mention an investigation into Biden.
 
You're talking about the same people who aren't sure Trump talked about Biden to the president of Ukraine.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...40-percent-of-republicans-say-trump-mentioned

Just 4 in 10 Republicans say they think President Trump discussed an investigation into Democratic presidential rival Joe Biden during a phone call with Ukraine's president, despite Trump acknowledging having done so, according to a new Monmouth University poll.

The survey, which was released Tuesday, found that 40 percent of Republican respondents said Trump "probably did" raise the idea of an investigation into Biden and Biden's son over unsubstantiated allegations of corruption during a July 25 conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Meanwhile, 29 percent of Republicans said Trump "probably did not" mention an investigation into Biden.
I know
 
And still no one on the left will admit to helping Trump get elected by nominating Hillary. If they had put up a reasonable candidate they would have won going away.

This may be the weakest post ever. Stop trying to pin Trump on the other party. He is yours. He will go down in history with (R) next to his name. Trying to blame others makes you look silly and a fully cognizant of your guilty conscience.

Do better. Be better.
 
This may be the weakest post ever. Stop trying to pin Trump on the other party. He is yours. He will go down in history with (R) next to his name. Trying to blame others makes you look silly and a fully cognizant of your guilty conscience.

Do better. Be better.

I have a feeling these same people will vote for Trump a second time and blame the Democrats for running a radical leftist with a radically socialist agenda.
 
I have a feeling these same people will vote for Trump a second time and blame the Democrats for running a radical leftist with a radically socialist agenda.
Of course they will. They've been openly and explicitly threatening to do just that for months.
 
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As long as corporations are considered persons, that's a valid argument.

Perhaps. But my point was more to the opposition of removing money from politics. Especially when it doesn’t benefit you. Unless you are cutting seven figure checks, you are not a player in the game.
 
And still no one on the left will admit to helping Trump get elected by nominating Hillary. If they had put up a reasonable candidate they would have won going away.
I cannot understand why Trump supporters refuse to get angry with Trump for abandoning them -- Trump simply will not concentrate on political things that matter to them.

If Trump quit wasting his Presidency picking fights on silly personal issues, Trump could actually make progress the non-controversial issues, like improving infrastructure and healthcare -- we all agree those need to be improved. Instead, Trump spends a lot of his time (and that of his top aides) chasing personal vendettas all over the world against people like Hillary and Biden.

Trump doesn't need to get everything he wants to improve healthcare a little bit, but he hasn't even tried to improve the health care system at all since imposing Trumpcare in 2017. Instead, Trump seems to want nothing but to overturn any healthcare provision initiated by Obama (even when it was beneficial to Trump supporters) and then avoid expending even a millisecond improving healthcare, so he has more time attacking Democrats and the fake "Deep State" which doesn't help his supporters).

I disagree with some of Trump's policies but, seriously, it's a mystery to me why Trump supporters think he is helping them.
 
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How much is left out of the summary regarding the call with Ukraine? The 5 page document is suppose to have been an accurate depiction of the 30 minute call with Zelenski but when read at a normal pace it roughly lasts about 10-12 minutes. The full transcript is locked away in a secure server. The white house claims it is a full unredacted transcript.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...sky-whistleblower-complaint-a9120086.html?amp
 
Trump only gives lip service to the white working class.

they support him because that's more than anyone else was offering them, as both parties totally abandoned the working class long ago.
Why, for example, do farmers and working class people think Trump supports them?

Trump is a spoiled little Richie Rich from Manhattan with a several hundred thousand dollar trust account since childhood, He doesn't know what pigshit looks like, he doesn't know why different herbicide is used on corn than is used on beans, he doesn't know why cows should be milked at least once per day, he has never changed his own oil or antifreeze, he has never nailed shingles into his own roof.

Why do average Joes believe him? He will not make their lives better, and is not proposing anything that will benefit them. Really sad.
 
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Especially when people like Trump's Secretary of Agriculture makes a stop in Wisconsin and tells them small dairy farms are destined to die.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...e24f4e-e464-11e9-b0a6-3d03721b85ef_story.html

Why, for example, do farmers and working class people think Trump supports them?

Trump is a spoiled little Richie Rich from Manhattan with a several hundred thousand dollar trust account since childhood, He doesn't know what pigshit looks like, he doesn't know why different herbicide is used on corn than is used on beans, he doesn't know why cows should be milked at least once per day, he has never changed his own oil or antifreeze, he has never nailed shingles into his own roof.

Why do average Joes believe him? He will not make their lives better, and is not proposing anything that will benefit them. Really sad.
 
Take away the leader's direct influence and the constant group validation. ...

It soon falls apart.

That amount of stupidity needs a daily dose of influence to survive.

At this current time they are getting their daily dose and then some. The past 2+ years has been a successful brainwashing campaign by Trump to a percentage of Americans.

My concern is if he is impeached or beaten in 2020 what will he ask of his sycophants? I don't see Trump or his followers gracefully walking away from the spotlight. There is no turning back for many of them and it is concerning to say the least. How will the desperate that have felt a sense of pride and purpose react?
 
At this current time they are getting their daily dose and then some. The past 2+ years has been a successful brainwashing campaign by Trump to a percentage of Americans.

My concern is if he is impeached or beaten in 2020 what will he ask of his sycophants? I don't see Trump or his followers gracefully walking away from the spotlight. There is no turning back for many of them and it is concerning to say the least. How will the desperate that have felt a sense of pride and purpose react?
Yep, that's a big concern. If I remember correctly, some 45% of the voters are your so-called "his sycophants." That is a big percentage!

Yep, it is a big concern indeed!!!:(
 
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Yep, that's a big concern. If I remember correctly, some 45% of the voters are your so-called "his sycophants." That is a big percentage!

Yep, it is a big concern indeed!!!:(

45% were republicans voting the R ticket. There is a very small percentage of racists and bigots that are being validated over the course of his presidency. The type of people that have never belonged to anything worth mentioning. Those are who I am referring too.
 
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And still no one on the left will admit to helping Trump get elected by nominating Hillary. If they had put up a reasonable candidate they would have won going away.
You're behaving like an insolent little adolescent.

Not until you start taking responsibility for your own decisions can I have any respect for you.
 
She has no charisma, but she would have been a million times better than the current insanity in the White House. Our country is run by Trump Corp. This is a guy whose casinos went bankrupt.

Which is why I held my nose, voted for her and then took a shower in bleach with a wire brush.
 
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She’s a perfectly reasonable candidate. She is far more qualified than Trump in virtually all categories. She’d made several mistakes in her life but who hasn’t? Her mistakes pale to those of Trump.

The #NewGOP needs to take responsibility for this abysmal dumpster fire they have lit. Blaming the democrats for nominating a qualified candidate is not step 1 in that process.

No, she is a POS. We need a legit candidate...Mayor Pete.
 
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You were proven right, though. Think of the damage people did who voted for Gary Johnson in swing states.

Which is why I held my nose, voted for her and then took a shower in bleach with a wire brush.
 
And Fox attracts more viewers than any other network!:( Americans love lies and misinformation!

It's more cynical than that. Fox is a very Pro-America content network under the guise of 'patriotism'. Trump=America.

So it will also be rose-tinted news even though the truth can be collateral damage. Patriotism is the tool the most machiavellian and cyclical always use.

But hey-ho, you feel good about being American though watching Fox and I bet beating your chest after an hour's worth of news. Welcome to CCTV News, China.
 
IMHO, Mayo Pete is the best-qualified candidate we have this year. Unfortunately, his sexual orientation will be detrimental in our holier-than-thou nation.:(
I agree he's the most qualified candidate. I do not agree his sexuality will harm him. The people most likely to hold that against him are the people least likely to abandon Trump. The Never Trump Republicans don't give three shits about sexuality.

It might hurt him a little bit with the flaky blue collar rust belt Dems, but I think his Midwestern pedigree will overcome that.

What he really needs is to find a way to steal some of Biden's African-American support.
 
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It's more cynical than that. Fox is a very Pro-America content network under the guise of 'patriotism'. Trump=America.

So it will also be rose-tinted news even though the truth can be collateral damage. Patriotism is the tool the most machiavellian and cyclical always use.

But hey-ho, you feel good about being American though watching Fox and I bet beating your chest after an hour's worth of news. Welcome to CCTV News, China.
I watched FoxNews a little today and was surprised at how much content was either critical of Trump or neutral towards him. I didn't note who the Fox host was that failed to ensure that his show was exclusively devoted to kissing Trump's rump.

But, there are other signs that Trump has lost Fox News as an automatic pro-Trump mouthpiece. Here is a "news story" about one media expert (Trump) who doesn't think Fox News is being blindly favorable enough to Trump.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...mp-hits-new-fox-news-letting-supporters-down/

Trump's support may be diminishing a little.

EDIT on 10-3-19: i just heard Limbaugh say on his radio show that Democrats hate Fox News but they have less reason to hate Fox News in recent weeks. Clearly, the alt-right recognizes a shift in Fox content.
 
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I watched FoxNews a little today and was surprised at how much content was either critical of Trump or neutral towards him. I didn't note who the Fox host was that failed to ensure that his show was exclusively devoted to kissing Trump's rump.

But, there are other signs that Trump has lost Fox News as an automatic pro-Trump mouthpiece. Here is a "news story" about one media expert (Trump) who doesn't think Fox News is being blindly favorable enough to Trump.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...mp-hits-new-fox-news-letting-supporters-down/

Trump's support may be diminishing a little.

Its the calm before the storm. I bet they go back to full-on Trumperection from July 2020 onwards, after the Dem's convention.
 
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I agree he's the most qualified candidate. I do not agree his sexuality will harm him. The people most likely to hold that against him are the people least likely to abandon Trump. The Never Trump Republicans don't give three shits about sexuality.

It might hurt him a little bit with the flaky blue collar rust belt Dems, but I think his Midwestern pedigree will overcome that.

What he really needs is to find a way to steal some of Biden's African-American support.

The latest data and polls show that Warren is chipping away at Biden’s African/American support. IMO, this race for the Dem nomination could end much quicker than expected. If Warren continues to make inroads with African-Americans, wins Iowa and New Hampshire, and has a strong showing in South Carolina and the South on Super Tuesday, it’s over.

If Bernie were to bow out and throw his support to her, I don’t think Biden can overcome that. Personally, I’ve recently been surprised by AA female friends that say Warren is their first choice. These are people who are Harris and Biden supporters, and are talking up Warren now. She’s ran a brilliant early campaign, and it’s all set up for her to take the nomination.
 
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The latest data and polls show that Warren is chipping away at Biden’s African/American support. IMO, this race for the Dem nomination could end much quicker than expected. If Warren continues to make inroads with African-Americans, wins Iowa and New Hampshire, and has a strong showing in South Carolina and the South on Super Tuesday, it’s over.

If Bernie were to bow out and throw his support to her, I don’t think Biden can overcome that. Personally, I’ve recently been surprised by AA female friends that say Warren is their first choice. These are people who are Harris and Biden supporters, and are talking up Warren now. She’s ran a brilliant early campaign, and it’s all set up for her to take the nomination.
Biden is a damaged good. Trump has done a marvelous job damaging Biden.
 
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Perhaps. But my point was more to the opposition of removing money from politics. Especially when it doesn’t benefit you. Unless you are cutting seven figure checks, you are not a player in the game.

Do you know how lobbying actually works?

I've been a member of many orgs that have lobbying.... its a group of individuals in a specific industry that pool their money (usually very small amounts individually) and they hire a law firm to lobby for their specific industry. This is more often than not very innocuous, with very little pull... but it is also very much how a republic is supposed to operate. You group together to hire people to defend your interests when it's totally impossible to do it on your own.


It's kind of elementary social studies.
 
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IMHO, Mayo Pete is the best-qualified candidate we have this year. Unfortunately, his sexual orientation will be detrimental in our holier-than-thou nation.:(

Pete seems like a serious talent... but you cannot go from Mayor of fkn South Bend to the WH. Nobody in this country knew his name until the last 6 months.

He needs to either win Gov or Senate to have a shot in the future. I do wonder if he'll shoot for Gov next year. He'll have a big warchest..... but Holcomb is fairly moderate and popular.
 
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I watched FoxNews a little today and was surprised at how much content was either critical of Trump or neutral towards him. I didn't note who the Fox host was that failed to ensure that his show was exclusively devoted to kissing Trump's rump.

But, there are other signs that Trump has lost Fox News as an automatic pro-Trump mouthpiece. Here is a "news story" about one media expert (Trump) who doesn't think Fox News is being blindly favorable enough to Trump.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...mp-hits-new-fox-news-letting-supporters-down/

Trump's support may be diminishing a little.


So if you follow RW media... there is some things happening at Fox behind the scenes. Paul Ryan is now on the board. MURDOCH'S son is now running the place, and is fairly non- conservative.

Ryan is pushing them to abandon Trump.... so you are going to see a big disconnect from the "news" side of things vs the evening opinion shows. They obviously want to stay as the channel of the right... but they don't want to hitch their wagon to Trump. They are running a business.... and they don't want to run it into the gutter.

All that said..... only 3m people watch Fox. 130m+ people vote. It's overrated as an influencer
 
Pete seems like a serious talent... but you cannot go from Mayor of fkn South Bend to the WH. Nobody in this country knew his name until the last 6 months.

He needs to either win Gov or Senate to have a shot in the future. I do wonder if he'll shoot for Gov next year. He'll have a big warchest..... but Holcomb is fairly moderate and popular.
Why not? Our current so-called president has never had an elected position. He was a casino owner for God's sake, and he is running the country like a casino!:(
 
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