Illinois counties to become part of Indiana?

[Ohio Guy]

So according to the tweet below, the Indiana Republican Caucus wants to redraw state lines and bring in some of the conservative counties from Illinois. I was looking for the link to the Onion article - unless I'm missing something this seems like something real, actual legislators are proposing.

It seems to me that a county just jumping ship for another state should have a lot of red tape and hurdles to go through other than some arbitrary drawing of state lines, but maybe that's just me. Anyone else hear about this? Anyone have an insight on it?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

It is real, this was on Fox 59 last night:

https://fox59.com/news/politics/lawmakers-announce-intent-to-redraw-boundary-between-indiana-illinois/

Crazy idea. I don't think a state, any state, is going to let counties leave.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

About 30 counties in Illinois have passed non-binding referendums to secede from Illinois and join Indiana.

It’s not going to happen, of course. But it doesn’t surprise me. I know a lot of people from Southern Illinois and they just despise the Chicago-centered leadership of their state. Like…badly.

We may have our complaints with Indy. But they get downright visceral about Chicago.

These referendums were passing by like 75/25.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

I would imagine that a huge # of people want far far far away from Dem Chicago. How that all works, I have no friggin clue!
I've also saw that there is some new (?) bill proposed in Hoosier land that does away with township governments and there fore township and fire district fire departments, along with their independent taxing authority and pushes all authority to the county gov level. I have not checked into it much, but seems extreme on its face. Anyone know anything about it?

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I would imagine that a huge # of people want far far far away from Dem Chicago. How that all works, I have no friggin clue!
I've also saw that there is some new (?) bill proposed in Hoosier land that does away with township governments and there fore township and fire district fire departments, along with their independent taxing authority and pushes all authority to the county gov level. I have not checked into it much, but seems extreme on its face. Anyone know anything about it?

It isn’t even just a Republican/Democratic thing - though that’s certainly a big part of it.

I’m good friends with an accountant from Mt. Carmel who is a pretty plugged in Democrat. He worked for Sen. Simon as a young pup. Get him going sometimes on Chicago and how it interacts with the rest of the state.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

It isn’t even just a Republican/Democratic thing - though that’s certainly a big part of it.

I’m good friends with an accountant from Mt. Carmel who is a pretty plugged in Democrat. He worked for Sen. Simon as a young pup. Get him going sometimes on Chicago and how it interacts with the rest of the state.

I always hold out hope that there are still some dems out there that haven't sold their soul, so this kind of helps. But the level of perceived corruption in Chicago, is beyond palpable!

 

[bbafficionado]

I spend a lot of time in the Matoon, Sullivan Shelbyville area and they hate being a part of the state of chicago and pricksger even more

 

[hoot1]

About 30 counties in Illinois have passed non-binding referendums to secede from Illinois and join Indiana.

It’s not going to happen, of course. But it doesn’t surprise me. I know a lot of people from Southern Illinois and they just despise the Chicago-centered leadership of their state. Like…badly.

We may have our complaints with Indy. But they get downright visceral about Chicago.

These referendums were passing by like 75/25.

These Illinois counties wanting to leave Illinois might think twice when considering the following as taken from this link...

When adjusted in 2016, Cook County residents received 98 cents for every $1 paid in state taxes, while suburban residents received even less – 60 cents. Meanwhile, downstate residents received $1.70 for every $1 paid. In 2016, the largest ratio between taxes generated and state expenses came in southern Illinois where residents got $2.88 for every $1 paid in taxes.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

These Illinois counties wanting to leave Illinois might think twice when considering the following as taken from this link...

When adjusted in 2016, Cook County residents received 98 cents for every $1 paid in state taxes, while suburban residents received even less – 60 cents. Meanwhile, downstate residents received $1.70 for every $1 paid. In 2016, the largest ratio between taxes generated and state expenses came in southern Illinois where residents got $2.88 for every $1 paid in taxes.

Any idea what those $ services are? Roads cleared ? Trash pick up? fire dept funding? recycle resources? LGBTQ+ flag give away? I'm curious, because as ILL is mostly farm/ country folk, They really don't give 2 shits about the type benefits that I listed, and I can see Chicago bean counters offering this info up as a totally worthless metric.
But I will confess, I could be wrong. So, any idea what those actual services are?

 

[mcmurtry66]

I spend a lot of time in the Matoon, Sullivan Shelbyville area and they hate being a part of the state of chicago and pricksger even more

I had a big deal in place with a southern Ill co that Pritzker fckd with Covid shutdowns. Hadn’t even impacted so ill really. And our gummies biz in Chicago is doing terrible. I hate Pritzker and Illinois.

So Ill is far more Indiana than Chicago

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Any idea what those $ services are? Roads cleared ? Trash pick up? fire dept funding? recycle resources? LGBTQ+ flag give away? I'm curious, because as ILL is mostly farm/ country folk, They really don't give 2 shits about the type benefits that I listed, and I can see Chicago bean counters offering this info up as a totally worthless metric.
But I will confess, I could be wrong. So, any idea what those actual services are?

Most states biggest expense, AFAIK, is schools. So we are talking about the leftover rump Illinois getting better schools while Greater Indiana taking on a budgetary burden to fund even more rural schools.

Not that it matters. There is zero percent chance this ever happens.

 

[Lucy01]

Most states biggest expense, AFAIK, is schools. So we are talking about the leftover rump Illinois getting better schools while Greater Indiana taking on a budgetary burden to fund even more rural schools.

Not that it matters. There is zero percent chance this ever happens.

You said the same thing about Pete Hegseth!
You’re never right!

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

You said the same thing about Pete Hegseth!
You’re never right!

I did? When?

 

[Lucy01]

I did? When?

Didn’t you say that Pete wouldn’t get confirmed?

 

[mattndallas]

I had a big deal in place with a southern Ill co that Pritzker fckd with Covid shutdowns. Hadn’t even impacted so ill really. And our gummies biz in Chicago is doing terrible. I hate Pritzker and Illinois.

So Ill is far more Indiana than Chicago

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Most states biggest expense, AFAIK, is schools. So we are talking about the leftover rump Illinois getting better schools while Greater Indiana taking on a budgetary burden to fund even more rural schools.

Not that it matters. There is zero percent chance this ever happens.

Any clue if Indiana schools grade higher or lower than Ill schools? I honestly don't have an idea.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Didn’t you say that Pete wouldn’t get confirmed?

I don't think so. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I said Gaetz would never be confirmed.

 

[Lucy01]

I don't think so. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I said Gaetz would never be confirmed.

Maybe you just agreed with aloha.

 

[hoot1]

Any idea what those $ services are? Roads cleared ? Trash pick up? fire dept funding? recycle resources? LGBTQ+ flag give away? I'm curious, because as ILL is mostly farm/ country folk, They really don't give 2 shits about the type benefits that I listed, and I can see Chicago bean counters offering this info up as a totally worthless metric.
But I will confess, I could be wrong. So, any idea what those actual services are?

Joe, great question.

Many of the services you mentioned require local funding, and the rural areas in Illinois are losing population along with having difficulty raising revenues. Unlike Indiana the state legislature is dominated by the Democrat party in Illinois.

So it would seem the rural folks in downstate Illinois could very well see greener grass growing in Indiana if their county was being served by a super majority state legislature of Republicans as is the case in Indiana.

What I have trouble understanding is why the Indiana legislature wants to take on these troubled counties in Illinois.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Any clue if Indiana schools grade higher or lower than Ill schools? I honestly don't have an idea.

No clue.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Joe, great question.

Many of the services you mentioned require local funding, and the rural areas in Illinois are losing population along with having difficulty raising revenues. Unlike Indiana the state legislature is dominated by the Democrat party in Illinois.

So it would seem the rural folks in downstate Illinois could very well see greener grass growing in Indiana if their county was being served by a super majority state legislature of Republicans as is the case in Indiana.

What I have trouble understanding is why the Indiana legislature wants to take on these troubled counties in Illinois.

1) Hoosiers love farmers and want to evacuate people from oppression? ??

2) smother the effing left in Chicago? (partially serious)

3) Politicians want power, no matter of red or blue stripes ?

 

[sweetsilence]

A bit arbitrary but I couldn't handle the new shape.

 

[larsIU]

@Lucy01 @The Original Happy Goat

This is the longest you've ever talked to yourself. You doing OK? Wellness check?

Pretend like you're ordering a pizza if you need help.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

@Lucy01 @The Original Happy Goat

This is the longest you've ever talked to yourself. You doing OK? Wellness check?

Pretend like you're ordering a pizza if you need help.

You have me confused with the other Goat.

 

[larsIU]

You have me confused with the other Goat.

You're right, that guy's an asshole.




/s

 

[secondasky]

Similar situation in Eastern Oregon where a lot of counties have already voted on becoming part of Idaho. I think it has to be approved by a certain percentage of voters (which most have) but then go the state legislature and from there to congress. Both of these states would have an extremely tough road for all this to happen. I wouldn't doubt Illinois would come up with some legislation making it even harder to succeed.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Similar situation in Eastern Oregon where a lot of counties have already voted on becoming part of Idaho. I think it has to be approved by a certain percentage of voters (which most have) but then go the state legislature and from there to congress. Both of these states would have an extremely tough road for all this to happen. I wouldn't doubt Illinois would come up with some legislation making it even harder to succeed.

Actually, it's as difficult as it ever will be, and the states can't do anything to change the requirements. If Congress changes the borders between two states, and both state legislatures agree to those changes, then they change. Anything short of this, and it doesn't happen. The people/counties passing resolutions have absolutely no say whatsoever in the process, beyond their normal ability as voters to elect the people who actually do play a role.

 

[secondasky]

Actually, it's as difficult as it ever will be, and the states can't do anything to change the requirements. If Congress changes the borders between two states, and both state legislatures agree to those changes, then they change. Anything short of this, and it doesn't happen. The people/counties passing resolutions have absolutely no say whatsoever in the process, beyond their normal ability as voters to elect the people who actually do play a role.

Closer to pie in the sky than reality. States the counties want to succeed from would probably never cooperate. States would have to consider amendments to their constitutions, differences in things such as sales tax, property tax, school funding and many more. From what I could find the last time borders changed was Arizona 1912. Below is an interesting video and how the state borders have changed since the 1700's.

Historical state border changes - Organize Your Family History

Today I came across this video on Business Insider that shows how state borders in the U.S. have changed since 1783. I thought it was so interesting that I wanted to share it here. I can imagine I’ll refer to it repeatedly as I do my genealogy research.

organizeyourfamilyhistory.com

 

[VanPastorMan]

I spend a lot of time in the Matoon, Sullivan Shelbyville area and they hate being a part of the state of chicago and pricksger even more

A lot of Illinois felt that way. I served as pastor for six yrs in Illinois. They resented Chicago and Cook County because all the money went there and it was like the rest of the state got ignored.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

These Illinois counties wanting to leave Illinois might think twice when considering the following as taken from this link...

When adjusted in 2016, Cook County residents received 98 cents for every $1 paid in state taxes, while suburban residents received even less – 60 cents. Meanwhile, downstate residents received $1.70 for every $1 paid. In 2016, the largest ratio between taxes generated and state expenses came in southern Illinois where residents got $2.88 for every $1 paid in taxes.

Interesting data hoot. I wonder, if presented to all of those voting to succeed, how much that would impact their decision if you asked them to revote. I would guess it would sway a few, but many are probably as much annoyed with the political problems and long term fiscal situation Illinois finds itself in. Much of that was caused by Chicago and unions, based on my understanding.

 

[VanPastorMan]

It is real, this was on Fox 59 last night:

https://fox59.com/news/politics/lawmakers-announce-intent-to-redraw-boundary-between-indiana-illinois/

Crazy idea. I don't think a state, any state, is going to let counties leave.

Would Indiana have to buy these counties like we will buy Greenland?

 

[DANC]

Would Indiana have to buy these counties like we will buy Greenland?

I say we trade our Congressional District 1 for the Illinois counties. Even Steven.

 

[IUINSB]

I say we trade our Congressional District 1 for the Illinois counties. Even Steven.

Doubt Illinois would want Gary. Although Gary in NE Ill would balance out East St. Louis in SW Ill.

 

[DANC]

Doubt Illinois would want Gary. Although Gary in NE Ill would balance out East St. Louis in SW Ill.

Gary's an upgrade from the South Side

 

[twenty02]

Most of downstate Illinois is basically a shit hole. I don't think you could give Danville away to Mexico. Nor most of those ghost towns along the Kentucky border

 

[Digressions]

Most of downstate Illinois is basically a shit hole. I don't think you could give Danville away to Mexico. Nor most of those ghost towns along the Kentucky border

It's all ag and oil. There's a letter framed on a courthouse wall in one of those shit hole towns. It was written in the 1800's from Chicago's city council asking for a loan.

"They described Chicago, then a village, in glowing terms. But the loan was not granted. The local bank refused it on the ground that the village of Chicago was so far from Shawneetown that it could never amount to anything."

...Pop. (circa 2020) 1024

 

[twenty02]

It's all ag and oil. There's a letter framed on a courthouse wall in one of those shit hole towns. It was written in the 1800's from Chicago's city council asking for a loan.

"They described Chicago, then a village, in glowing terms. But the loan was not granted. The local bank refused it on the ground that the village of Chicago was so far from Shawneetown that it could never amount to anything."

...Pop. (circa 2020) 1024

I've spent way too much time over there. It's depressing as shit.. Even in the larger towns. Bloomington/Normal is only held together by State Farm and they've been trying to move everyone to Dallas for years as they know they can't get anyone to come work there. Chicago is the only thing that state has going for it. Without Chicago that state is Mississippi. Peoria is a dump. It's a terrible place. Ask @mcmurtry66 what the Illinois side of STL is like

Yes they have great AG. And it's dominated by the same families that owned everything for years. Everyone else is meth addicts. Literally only places that are nice are up near the Wisconsin border

 

[Marvin the Martian]

In a similar thought, Iowa wants Minnesota counties. A new manifest destiny is sweeping America.

Senator proposes bill to let Iowa buy 9 Minnesota counties: 'Could still buy Gopher gear'

Sen. Mike Bousselot, R-Ankeny, proposed a bill that would let Iowa buy nine Minnesota counties.

www.usatoday.com

 

[mcmurtry66]

I've spent way too much time over there. It's depressing as shit.. Even in the larger towns. Bloomington/Normal is only held together by State Farm and they've been trying to move everyone to Dallas for years as they know they can't get anyone to come work there. Chicago is the only thing that state has going for it. Without Chicago that state is Mississippi. Peoria is a dump. It's a terrible place. Ask @mcmurtry66 what the Illinois side of STL is like

Yes they have great AG. And it's dominated by the same families that owned everything for years. Everyone else is meth addicts. Literally only places that are nice are up near the Wisconsin border

 

[TMFT]

"We don't like being told what to do by people in the big cities, they don't know us or what's good for us, they only care about themselves. We should secede and join the nearest red state." -- Rural folks in blue states

"We don't like being told what to do by rural voters, they don't know us or what's good for us, they only care about themselves. We should get rid of 'winner take all' electoral votes and go with proportional distribution." Urban folks in red states

We're getting to the point that people don't recognize a symbiotic relationship. Rural folks NEED urban centers. That's where the money is. And ag ain't cheap. Urban centers NEED rural areas. That's where food comes from and your chicken coop ain't gonna cut it for long.

This is all ridiculous, and frankly stupid, political posturing. You don't like Chicago? Cool. Don't go. Boycott the place. Boycott everything to do with the place. Build your own cultural centers in Carmi and see how they do. You don't like rural areas? Fine. Grow your own food for a season and see how you do.