Illinois counties to become part of Indiana?

[Ohio Guy]

So according to the tweet below, the Indiana Republican Caucus wants to redraw state lines and bring in some of the conservative counties from Illinois. I was looking for the link to the Onion article - unless I'm missing something this seems like something real, actual legislators are proposing.

It seems to me that a county just jumping ship for another state should have a lot of red tape and hurdles to go through other than some arbitrary drawing of state lines, but maybe that's just me. Anyone else hear about this? Anyone have an insight on it?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

It is real, this was on Fox 59 last night:

https://fox59.com/news/politics/lawmakers-announce-intent-to-redraw-boundary-between-indiana-illinois/

Crazy idea. I don't think a state, any state, is going to let counties leave.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

About 30 counties in Illinois have passed non-binding referendums to secede from Illinois and join Indiana.

It’s not going to happen, of course. But it doesn’t surprise me. I know a lot of people from Southern Illinois and they just despise the Chicago-centered leadership of their state. Like…badly.

We may have our complaints with Indy. But they get downright visceral about Chicago.

These referendums were passing by like 75/25.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

I would imagine that a huge # of people want far far far away from Dem Chicago. How that all works, I have no friggin clue!
I've also saw that there is some new (?) bill proposed in Hoosier land that does away with township governments and there fore township and fire district fire departments, along with their independent taxing authority and pushes all authority to the county gov level. I have not checked into it much, but seems extreme on its face. Anyone know anything about it?

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I would imagine that a huge # of people want far far far away from Dem Chicago. How that all works, I have no friggin clue!
I've also saw that there is some new (?) bill proposed in Hoosier land that does away with township governments and there fore township and fire district fire departments, along with their independent taxing authority and pushes all authority to the county gov level. I have not checked into it much, but seems extreme on its face. Anyone know anything about it?

It isn’t even just a Republican/Democratic thing - though that’s certainly a big part of it.

I’m good friends with an accountant from Mt. Carmel who is a pretty plugged in Democrat. He worked for Sen. Simon as a young pup. Get him going sometimes on Chicago and how it interacts with the rest of the state.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

It isn’t even just a Republican/Democratic thing - though that’s certainly a big part of it.

I’m good friends with an accountant from Mt. Carmel who is a pretty plugged in Democrat. He worked for Sen. Simon as a young pup. Get him going sometimes on Chicago and how it interacts with the rest of the state.

I always hold out hope that there are still some dems out there that haven't sold their soul, so this kind of helps. But the level of perceived corruption in Chicago, is beyond palpable!

 

[bbafficionado]

I spend a lot of time in the Matoon, Sullivan Shelbyville area and they hate being a part of the state of chicago and pricksger even more

 

[hoot1]

About 30 counties in Illinois have passed non-binding referendums to secede from Illinois and join Indiana.

It’s not going to happen, of course. But it doesn’t surprise me. I know a lot of people from Southern Illinois and they just despise the Chicago-centered leadership of their state. Like…badly.

We may have our complaints with Indy. But they get downright visceral about Chicago.

These referendums were passing by like 75/25.

These Illinois counties wanting to leave Illinois might think twice when considering the following as taken from this link...

When adjusted in 2016, Cook County residents received 98 cents for every $1 paid in state taxes, while suburban residents received even less – 60 cents. Meanwhile, downstate residents received $1.70 for every $1 paid. In 2016, the largest ratio between taxes generated and state expenses came in southern Illinois where residents got $2.88 for every $1 paid in taxes.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

These Illinois counties wanting to leave Illinois might think twice when considering the following as taken from this link...

When adjusted in 2016, Cook County residents received 98 cents for every $1 paid in state taxes, while suburban residents received even less – 60 cents. Meanwhile, downstate residents received $1.70 for every $1 paid. In 2016, the largest ratio between taxes generated and state expenses came in southern Illinois where residents got $2.88 for every $1 paid in taxes.

Any idea what those $ services are? Roads cleared ? Trash pick up? fire dept funding? recycle resources? LGBTQ+ flag give away? I'm curious, because as ILL is mostly farm/ country folk, They really don't give 2 shits about the type benefits that I listed, and I can see Chicago bean counters offering this info up as a totally worthless metric.
But I will confess, I could be wrong. So, any idea what those actual services are?

 

[mcmurtry66]

I spend a lot of time in the Matoon, Sullivan Shelbyville area and they hate being a part of the state of chicago and pricksger even more

I had a big deal in place with a southern Ill co that Pritzker fckd with Covid shutdowns. Hadn’t even impacted so ill really. And our gummies biz in Chicago is doing terrible. I hate Pritzker and Illinois.

So Ill is far more Indiana than Chicago

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Any idea what those $ services are? Roads cleared ? Trash pick up? fire dept funding? recycle resources? LGBTQ+ flag give away? I'm curious, because as ILL is mostly farm/ country folk, They really don't give 2 shits about the type benefits that I listed, and I can see Chicago bean counters offering this info up as a totally worthless metric.
But I will confess, I could be wrong. So, any idea what those actual services are?

Most states biggest expense, AFAIK, is schools. So we are talking about the leftover rump Illinois getting better schools while Greater Indiana taking on a budgetary burden to fund even more rural schools.

Not that it matters. There is zero percent chance this ever happens.

 

[Lucy01]

Most states biggest expense, AFAIK, is schools. So we are talking about the leftover rump Illinois getting better schools while Greater Indiana taking on a budgetary burden to fund even more rural schools.

Not that it matters. There is zero percent chance this ever happens.

You said the same thing about Pete Hegseth!
You’re never right!

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

You said the same thing about Pete Hegseth!
You’re never right!

I did? When?

 

[Lucy01]

I did? When?

Didn’t you say that Pete wouldn’t get confirmed?

 

[mattndallas]

I had a big deal in place with a southern Ill co that Pritzker fckd with Covid shutdowns. Hadn’t even impacted so ill really. And our gummies biz in Chicago is doing terrible. I hate Pritzker and Illinois.

So Ill is far more Indiana than Chicago

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Most states biggest expense, AFAIK, is schools. So we are talking about the leftover rump Illinois getting better schools while Greater Indiana taking on a budgetary burden to fund even more rural schools.

Not that it matters. There is zero percent chance this ever happens.

Any clue if Indiana schools grade higher or lower than Ill schools? I honestly don't have an idea.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Didn’t you say that Pete wouldn’t get confirmed?

I don't think so. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I said Gaetz would never be confirmed.

 

[Lucy01]

I don't think so. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I said Gaetz would never be confirmed.

Maybe you just agreed with aloha.

 

[hoot1]

Any idea what those $ services are? Roads cleared ? Trash pick up? fire dept funding? recycle resources? LGBTQ+ flag give away? I'm curious, because as ILL is mostly farm/ country folk, They really don't give 2 shits about the type benefits that I listed, and I can see Chicago bean counters offering this info up as a totally worthless metric.
But I will confess, I could be wrong. So, any idea what those actual services are?

Joe, great question.

Many of the services you mentioned require local funding, and the rural areas in Illinois are losing population along with having difficulty raising revenues. Unlike Indiana the state legislature is dominated by the Democrat party in Illinois.

So it would seem the rural folks in downstate Illinois could very well see greener grass growing in Indiana if their county was being served by a super majority state legislature of Republicans as is the case in Indiana.

What I have trouble understanding is why the Indiana legislature wants to take on these troubled counties in Illinois.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Any clue if Indiana schools grade higher or lower than Ill schools? I honestly don't have an idea.

No clue.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Joe, great question.

Many of the services you mentioned require local funding, and the rural areas in Illinois are losing population along with having difficulty raising revenues. Unlike Indiana the state legislature is dominated by the Democrat party in Illinois.

So it would seem the rural folks in downstate Illinois could very well see greener grass growing in Indiana if their county was being served by a super majority state legislature of Republicans as is the case in Indiana.

What I have trouble understanding is why the Indiana legislature wants to take on these troubled counties in Illinois.

1) Hoosiers love farmers and want to evacuate people from oppression? ??

2) smother the effing left in Chicago? (partially serious)

3) Politicians want power, no matter of red or blue stripes ?

 

[sweetsilence]

A bit arbitrary but I couldn't handle the new shape.

 

[larsIU]

@Lucy01 @The Original Happy Goat

This is the longest you've ever talked to yourself. You doing OK? Wellness check?

Pretend like you're ordering a pizza if you need help.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

@Lucy01 @The Original Happy Goat

This is the longest you've ever talked to yourself. You doing OK? Wellness check?

Pretend like you're ordering a pizza if you need help.

You have me confused with the other Goat.

 

[larsIU]

You have me confused with the other Goat.

You're right, that guy's an asshole.




/s

 

[secondasky]

Similar situation in Eastern Oregon where a lot of counties have already voted on becoming part of Idaho. I think it has to be approved by a certain percentage of voters (which most have) but then go the state legislature and from there to congress. Both of these states would have an extremely tough road for all this to happen. I wouldn't doubt Illinois would come up with some legislation making it even harder to succeed.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Similar situation in Eastern Oregon where a lot of counties have already voted on becoming part of Idaho. I think it has to be approved by a certain percentage of voters (which most have) but then go the state legislature and from there to congress. Both of these states would have an extremely tough road for all this to happen. I wouldn't doubt Illinois would come up with some legislation making it even harder to succeed.

Actually, it's as difficult as it ever will be, and the states can't do anything to change the requirements. If Congress changes the borders between two states, and both state legislatures agree to those changes, then they change. Anything short of this, and it doesn't happen. The people/counties passing resolutions have absolutely no say whatsoever in the process, beyond their normal ability as voters to elect the people who actually do play a role.