why, my uncle used to breed bird dogs, pheasant hunting would be almost impossible without them
If you ever had to fire someone
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"what trump and musk are really thinking" ???
Trump and Musk are spoiled little rich boys playing government.
Whatever they're thinking, it's not thinking about how to help the little guy, the low income guy, or even the typical MAGA guy survive. Or even to provide essential services to the little guy (or business) who can't afford to pay $10 to send a letter through Fedex or UPS (look it up) or the elderly who need to get a timely deposit in their account just to live another month.
Trump and Musk have no clue what the little guy faces. Nor are they checking that their cuts don't really hurt anybody -- if they were, they'd be bragging about that too (but they aren't).
Explains a lot... Particularly the Higher Level of Consciousness you reflect in each new post...
Gonga la Lunga 🍺
Isnt that wild tho. I met him while I was having a burrito!! Whatever that stone bldg was across from the library had a burrito shop. They were delicious
The Laughing Planet, they were good. It was owned by the Village Deli owner.
The laughing planet. Wow. It would not have come to me. It was a staple for me
I watch it a lot, mostly weekends. BookTV and American History TV have tons of good stuff. Then there's lots of panel discussions, political and historical.
The moron to sensible ratio of the callers is about 5-1 (about like this forum). Makes that show unwatchable. But yes, Greta is a babe.
So I am just going to use your post to springboard into a few thoughts that are somewhat disjointed but hey, you screen-name dropped me, so why not:
1. I don't believe that either myself or @Aloha Hoosier has ever claimed that all government employees are uber talented. They aren't. They are the same mix as you find in the private sector.
2. A lesser person might bring up that applying your own logic to you, that being one of the people laid off must have put you in the lazy, do nothing, unimportant sector of your company...or at least in the bottom 50% as you were let go. Bigger person me who has been through that stuff before knows that sometimes those things come down to the company simply not wanting staff in location A and instead in B and if you don't want to go to A because it is hundreds to over a thousand miles from most of your family in B, well, you get the ax. I have been in the private sector and government, the shit stinks in both places.
3. As to @Joe_Hoopsier and his question about why someone might look at government employment given the lesser payoff, well, see above: stability. People who have been good employees and have been through the rat race of being at the whim of people like Elon Musk or at Salesforce every February when it is "firing season" to shake things up. You get a family and go through the upheaval of having to do stuff like sell your house to move into a smaller apartment until you get back on your feet or end up on SNAP and unemployment and realize how much that doesn't cover or lose your health insurance with a pregnant wife and 2 other little kids. And so you decide, "You know what, I am applying for a bunch of different places and if the government comes calling then I have enough confidence in myself to know that I am going to move up the chain in the biggest employer on the planet and there is some added stability there." Then you have some people who just kind of fall wherever they fall. The bottom of any organization. They are everywhere. I have been out in private land. The same time wasters and do nothings and on and on exist in the private sector as well.
4. I had always wanted to believe this wasn't the case but I do think that at least for some percentage of the "conservative" (whatever that term means these days) movement, there is the necessity of having a foil that can be raged against and oh so often the movement likes to, for lack of a better term, punch down and as of late take glee in other's misfortune. All through COVID the same posters who are giddily cheering on tens of thousands of people being unemployed or being deported were lamenting folks laughing about people being fired for not wanting to wear a mask or take a shot. The MAGA movement is just the political inverse of those blue haired Karens. You are all dicks. And to top it off, most of you don't realize you are just crabs in a barrel. I think letting in all those illegal immigrants over the past few decades was bad policy. You know who was just as responsible for it as anyone but for some reason faces zero pushback from any of you? Your vaunted private sector. Your Elon Musks and Tech Bros laying off 50% of their workforce and replacing you with H1Bs. Your big agri-businesses who sell the idea that Americans wouldn't do those jobs because they pay wages you can't live on unless you are gaming the system. The Walmarts who move into smaller communities and undercut all the local businesses by selling cheap Chinese bull shit and then pay wages so low we end up paying welfare for their employees. They got a massive tax cut last go around and they face next to zero repercussions for being the honey that attracts the illegal bees. And the "conservative" movement is so desperate to be at the "successful" table that you all ignored what they did during Covid and BLM and Trans-mania and welcomed them back with open arms. "Things are so bad we are wantonly cutting jobs like nuclear inspector but they aren't bad enough that we can't give our daddies in the private sector yet another tax cut." MAGA isn't fiscal conservatism, it is a misguided revenge movement. That is a shitty way to build policy.
5. Final thoughts, we do need to get things under control w.r.t. spending. I do think the Democrats went too far with things that happened over the past decade. I do think there were things that were done in Trump's direction that were completely about politics and I think all of those things should be looked at in a way that addresses them. From where I sit, I don't see anything but pure self interest on the part of your chosen "cutter" and animosity on the part of all you aggrieved individuals who think you are getting your revenge driving the movement. It is driving you all off a cliff. The reception that Representative in Georgia who won his district with over 60% of the vote got in Georgia this week should be a warning. You all are turning off a whole bunch of voters. Things look a whole bunch different when you are talking about shutting down nebulous politicos in D.C. then when you are telling your neighbor that they or someone in their family need to "learn to code" (something we thought was the height of dismissiveness when talking about miners, but I digress) while yucking it up with Mr. Billionaire Chainsaw Guy.
Most people eventually grow to dislike the asshole. MAGA makes the asshole the centerpiece of the movement. Do better. You all are going to **** it up for the people who actually have put thought behind this stuff for a long time.
Uncle, agree with you about the callers.
Unfortunately these are the people who never miss showing up in the primaries to elect the extremists from both parties.
Just means you have no conviction on this subject. Emotions. Where have all the men gone? Certainly aren’t many (if any) in the Democrat party. Big reason you guys lost.
That’s fair. As good as I thought I was at my job, I wasn’t indispensable, clearly. No one to blame but myself.
I don’t know where the stability of government became a job benefit, but that paradigm needs to shift. They should be subject to the same economic constraints as privates. The picture you paint of a decades long burnt out private sector employee entering government is a minority I would imagine.
Businesses operate in the environment government allows them to
operate in. MAGA is as close to fiscal conservatism as any presidency in the last 30 years.
All that thought had amounted to nothing. Action time. I know you’re more comfortable in the world of thought.
Biden, the environmentalists, and Democrats did their touchdown dance when Biden suddenly shut down the Keystone XL construction and threw hundreds of workers into the unemployment line. The numbers are different, but the principle is the same.
Interesting. I wasn't aware there was any actual construction going on to shut down. Got a cite?
Nah. But only looked on Google first page. You get the Google crap one would expect.
I do know it was under active construction at the time of shutdown and the out of work workers were in the news.
Ironically, I also Blame Trump for the shutdown. When he issued the permit during his first term, he included a clause to the effect that the president could revoke it for no reason. Big mistake. Ordinarily permits are not revocable without cause.
Yea I don’t think that makes you unique. I think we all are trying to survive one way or another. Gotta put food on the table somehow. I think Maslow said something about that….
I find it ghoulish to laugh at the average person suffering. I can tell you a number of Trump voters I know personally are now suffering. I don't laugh at them, but they voted for their own misfortune.
Hey buddy, might want to look up the number of Republicans and Veterans that work for and near government.
Hard to believe that both you and Mas-a-suta are both single. And to think you are both on the same message board. Did you guys meet on Grinder for butchy men?
You are missing some key points--in 2020 the Supreme Court shut all construction on the XL project affirming both the district court and court of appeals decision that the construction was running afoul of the endangered species act. Don't forget, the entire system was going to be redesigned because Nebraska refused to let the pipe line go through certain areas. That meant another 4 years of design work minimum. Biden's order terminating the permit was nothing more than a knife in a dead guy's back.
Thanks. I was fairly certain it was already a dead issue but wasn't up on the details.
I think it was clean water act. Still a different permit and issues could be addressed. The Biden action was pretty much discretionary
The environmentalists steadfastly oppose all pipelines. Of course the alternative of rail and trucks are more risky.
It was the endangered species act. One of my clients was one of the 8 engineering firms that were designing the pipe runs (the hydraulics, sizing, pump stations, etc).
