If Izzo is such a

[mandb2019]

bad dude...
1-Are parents that send top recruits to be mentored by Izzo, a father figure to their son for 4 years, just stupid or uncaring?

2-Why do ex players come back to visit Izzo, year after year ? Didnt/doesn't happen with Crean,Beilein, Knight. Most objective people would say coach has had a positive influence on their development.

3-Izzo has given as much if not more to charity,good causes, sacrificed his time and energy for the community as any coach past or present.

4-He has been consistently applauded for being above board when it comes to recruiting. Given his high level recruiting success, that is damn good.

Over the course of 25 years, he has made mistakes;he is not perfect; he is not a smooth public spokeman. However , your villification of him is irrational and some of you should look in the mirror and examine the true source of your bitterness.

 

[T.M.P.]

bad dude...
1-Are parents that send top recruits to be mentored by Izzo, a father figure to their son for 4 years, just stupid or uncaring?

2-Why do ex players come back to visit Izzo, year after year ? Didnt/doesn't happen with Crean,Beilein, Knight. Most objective people would say coach has had a positive influence on their development.

3-Izzo has given as much if not more to charity,good causes, sacrificed his time and energy for the community as any coach past or present.

4-He has been consistently applauded for being above board when it comes to recruiting. Given his high level recruiting success, that is damn good.

Over the course of 25 years, he has made mistakes;he is not perfect; he is not a smooth public spokeman. However , your villification of him is irrational and some of you should look in the mirror and examine the true source of your bitterness.

Rape enabler..

 

[Zeester]

bad dude...
1-Are parents that send top recruits to be mentored by Izzo, a father figure to their son for 4 years, just stupid or uncaring?

2-Why do ex players come back to visit Izzo, year after year ? Didnt/doesn't happen with Crean,Beilein, Knight. Most objective people would say coach has had a positive influence on their development.

3-Izzo has given as much if not more to charity,good causes, sacrificed his time and energy for the community as any coach past or present.

4-He has been consistently applauded for being above board when it comes to recruiting. Given his high level recruiting success, that is damn good.

Over the course of 25 years, he has made mistakes;he is not perfect; he is not a smooth public spokeman. However , your villification of him is irrational and some of you should look in the mirror and examine the true source of your bitterness.

He is and he is a dick.

 

[evvcabinetman]

bad dude...
1-Are parents that send top recruits to be mentored by Izzo, a father figure to their son for 4 years, just stupid or uncaring?

2-Why do ex players come back to visit Izzo, year after year ? Didnt/doesn't happen with Crean,Beilein, Knight. Most objective people would say coach has had a positive influence on their development.

3-Izzo has given as much if not more to charity,good causes, sacrificed his time and energy for the community as any coach past or present.

4-He has been consistently applauded for being above board when it comes to recruiting. Given his high level recruiting success, that is damn good.

Over the course of 25 years, he has made mistakes;he is not perfect; he is not a smooth public spokeman. However , your villification of him is irrational and some of you should look in the mirror and examine the true source of your bitterness.

I find it interesting that all the things you praise Izzo for are exactly the same things people said about Joe Paterno - PRIOR to the Sandusky scandal going public. Point for point - every single thing you listed was also thought about Paterno. Perhaps you should look in the mirror and question what is more important - protecting students from sexual abuse/rape or winning ballgames.

 

[ufo33]

I find it interesting that all the things you praise Izzo for are exactly the same things people said about Joe Paterno - PRIOR to the Sandusky scandal going public. Point for point - every single thing you listed was also thought about Paterno. Perhaps you should look in the mirror and question what is more important - protecting students from sexual abuse/rape or winning ballgames.

How you you justify destoying young women's lives at the hands of multiple rape enabler Izzo and the MSU athletic department? It is a systemic issue with sexual violence at MSU.

 

[ufo33]

There is no way I would send my son or daughter to MSU.

 

[ThreeToMakeTwo]

Have there been arrests and trials? Have players admitted to crimes? Has Izzo been accused of whitewashing complaints? Have the girls who’ve come forward had their stories checked? What does the campus or city police have to comment about the accusations? I’m no big Izzo fan but due process is paramount in our society. The gymnast coach went on for several years before he was brought to justice. Is this a similar situation? Just asking.

 

[cryano]

bad dude...
1-Are parents that send top recruits to be mentored by Izzo, a father figure to their son for 4 years, just stupid or uncaring?

2-Why do ex players come back to visit Izzo, year after year ? Didnt/doesn't happen with Crean,Beilein, Knight. Most objective people would say coach has had a positive influence on their development.

3-Izzo has given as much if not more to charity,good causes, sacrificed his time and energy for the community as any coach past or present.

4-He has been consistently applauded for being above board when it comes to recruiting. Given his high level recruiting success, that is damn good.

Over the course of 25 years, he has made mistakes;he is not perfect; he is not a smooth public spokeman. However , your villification of him is irrational and some of you should look in the mirror and examine the true source of your bitterness.

#2 is not true - many guys did come back to visit IU and Crean. They are often shown on the big screen when they come back - and many of done the ‘...and Im a Hoosier’ message too.
Ive seen Verdell, Hulls, Cody, Prichard, Watford, TBryant, Oladipo at least...and I only go to about half the games each season.
Id assume Beilein amd Michigan also have guys return as do most programs.

 

[mandb2019]

Rape enabler..

I gave you several points that refute your premise and your response is infantile.

Can't argue with 3 year olds.

 

[cryano]

I gave you several points that refute your premise and your response is infantile.

Can't argue with 3 year olds.

You must be new to the board...

 

[Davehack]

He gets them to the final four (now and them) and each year that goes by makes the old scandal a distant memory. The scandals wont have much if any impact unless they continue to happen.

 

[mandb2019]

I find it interesting that all the things you praise Izzo for are exactly the same things people said about Joe Paterno - PRIOR to the Sandusky scandal going public. Point for point - every single thing you listed was also thought about Paterno. Perhaps you should look in the mirror and question what is more important - protecting students from sexual abuse/rape or winning ballgames.

Well, help me with this. Where is the evidence of a rape, where is the trial, where is the conviction? Is this a phantom crime that Izzo magically covered up. Let's go with this recent case.

Hearing from Bailey Kowalski , she never went to the police at the outset. So there was no chance for preservation of evidence. You cannot have a case without evidence in civil or criminal cases. Seems she is reaching for a financial settlement based primarily on political pressure resulting from the Nasser case. Extortion with a legal framework. It will be thrown out as it should be.

It would be difficult to prosecute. No physical evidence. Four years ago. Not impossible but very difficult.

Obviously, this was not the only case but if you want to label Izzo as you have, the onus is on you to prove it. Where is the evidence of a crime and MOST important where is the evidence Izzo knew of it?

The Paterno comparison is just nonsense bec you are too lazy to look beyond the surface.

I'll hang up and wait for the evidence. Most likely, wont hear again until basketball season.

 

[mandb2019]

He gets them to the final four (now and them) and each year that goes by makes the old scandal a distant memory. The scandals wont have much if any impact unless they continue to happen.

No each year, someone like Bailey Kowalski comes around and wants to collect $$$ from MSU , 4 years later with no evidence , no police report .
It was so traumatic that she didnt transfer, stayed at MSU and graduated with a 4.0 gpa. ..aside from never have reported it.

But now she wants to empower others.

Yes, Izzo is guilty of dominating the BT in basketball and being a great coach and servant of the community.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Well, help me with this. Where is the evidence of a rape, where is the trial, where is the conviction? Is this a phantom crime that Izzo magically covered up. Let's go with this recent case.

Hearing from Bailey Kowalski , she never went to the police at the outset. So there was no chance for preservation of evidence. You cannot have a case without evidence in civil or criminal cases. Seems she is reaching for a financial settlement based primarily on political pressure resulting from the Nasser case. Extortion with a legal framework. It will be thrown out as it should be.

It would be difficult to prosecute. No physical evidence. Four years ago. Not impossible but very difficult.

Obviously, this was not the only case but if you want to label Izzo as you have, the onus is on you to prove it. Where is the evidence of a crime and MOST important where is the evidence Izzo knew of it?

The Paterno comparison is just nonsense bec you are too lazy to look beyond the surface.

I'll hang up and wait for the evidence. Most likely, wont hear again until basketball season.

“You pursue this, you’re gonna be swimming with some pretty big fish”.

Tells you everything you need to know .

 

[Jg48]

I gave you several points that refute your premise and your response is infantile.

Can't argue with 3 year olds.

Is there a reason you are insulting 3 year olds? Why are you picking on them?

 

[mandb2019]

“You pursue this, you’re gonna be swimming with some pretty big fish”.

Tells you everything you need to know .

It is a baseless case, regardless of the verbiage. Dont get lost in the back and forth palaver. The key point is that it is a baseless case.

Again, show me the evidence and the "Izzo coverup".

Now whether the AD or the former pres. covered up the Nasser crimes is a totally other issue. Only ESPN would conflate Izzo and Dantonio with a picture of Nasser. I hope you have a better intellect not to make the same error.

 

[Harry Hondo]

bad dude...
1-Are parents that send top recruits to be mentored by Izzo, a father figure to their son for 4 years, just stupid or uncaring?

2-Why do ex players come back to visit Izzo, year after year ? Didnt/doesn't happen with Crean,Beilein, Knight. Most objective people would say coach has had a positive influence on their development.

3-Izzo has given as much if not more to charity,good causes, sacrificed his time and energy for the community as any coach past or present.

4-He has been consistently applauded for being above board when it comes to recruiting. Given his high level recruiting success, that is damn good.

Over the course of 25 years, he has made mistakes;he is not perfect; he is not a smooth public spokeman. However , your villification of him is irrational and some of you should look in the mirror and examine the true source of your bitterness.

He has his one ncaa title. That’s all he’ll get and I’m not the least bit upset by that. He’s the biggest whiner in coaching and too many of his players have been suspected or charged with despicable behavior. Your entire institution is slimy as I’ve heard about many of your football players involved in the sand type of behavior. MSU is clearly all about winning with no regards for ethical standards.

 

[TommyCracker]

So let me get this straight, we have an actual interrogation with Payne where he admits, on tape, that Appling raped a girl.

Then you have the Walton bs.

And now yet another 'victim' is claiming she was raped by another basketball player and was told to let it go.

All while being led by an athletic department that was doing the same thing for Nassir's pedophillia.

So you have an actual precedent of your University doing the same bs.

You better hope it's all BS and these girls are just gold diggers with how strongly you are defending Izzo.

Keep praying for the victims brother.

Maybe Izzo should stop recruiting sexual predators at the minimum.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

It is a baseless case, regardless of the verbiage. Dont get lost in the back and forth palaver. The key point is that it is a baseless case.

Again, show me the evidence and the "Izzo coverup".

Now whether the AD or the former pres. covered up the Nasser crimes is a totally other issue. Only ESPN would conflate Izzo and Dantonio with a picture of Nasser. I hope you have a better intellect not to make the same error.

I don't think you understand what baseless means.

 

[Brockway]

So let me get this straight, we have an actual interrogation with Payne where he admits, on tape, that Appling raped a girl.

Then you have the Walton bs.

And now yet another 'victim' is claiming she was raped by another basketball player and was told to let it go.

All while being led by an athletic department that was doing the same thing for Nassir's pedophillia.

So you have an actual precedent of your University doing the same bs.

You better hope it's all BS and these girls are just gold diggers with how strongly you are defending Izzo.

Keep praying for the victims brother.

Maybe Izzo should stop recruiting sexual predators at the minimum.

*"Survivors"

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

It is a baseless case, regardless of the verbiage. Dont get lost in the back and forth palaver. The key point is that it is a baseless case.

Again, show me the evidence and the "Izzo coverup".

Now whether the AD or the former pres. covered up the Nasser crimes is a totally other issue. Only ESPN would conflate Izzo and Dantonio with a picture of Nasser. I hope you have a better intellect not to make the same error.

If you don’t understand that it’s a culture problem, there’s nothing that I can say to make you understand.

 

[76-1]

https://www.12up.com/posts/5962484-...o-s-relationship-with-disgraced-former-player

Guy stayed in Izzo's basement but he "couldn't recall the circumstances regarding his leaving the program"...

Well I'd say that pretty well confirms he's a liar, at best...

 

[iubud]

It is a baseless case, regardless of the verbiage. Dont get lost in the back and forth palaver. The key point is that it is a baseless case.

Again, show me the evidence and the "Izzo coverup".

Now whether the AD or the former pres. covered up the Nasser crimes is a totally other issue. Only ESPN would conflate Izzo and Dantonio with a picture of Nasser. I hope you have a better intellect not to make the same error.

Maybe when you grow up, you will meet someone that was raped. Many rapes go unreported, but the pain remains and doesn't go away on its own. Because of people like you, I hope she wins, takes down the athletic department and walks away with $1.

 

[mandb2019]

He has his one ncaa title. That’s all he’ll get and I’m not the least bit upset by that. He’s the biggest whiner in coaching and too many of his players have been suspected or charged with despicable behavior. Your entire institution is slimy as I’ve heard about many of your football players involved in the sand type of behavior. MSU is clearly all about winning with no regards for ethical standards.

Good shot next year, sorry to disappoint you. WInston is back. Along with Rocket Watts and Josh Langford, that could be best backcourt in the country.

Tillman only gets better.

Malik Hall is a to 50 though I have not seen him.

Julius Marble out of Texas had a broken leg early or would have been ranked , a 6 8 stretch 4.

Would like the Va Tech big as a transfer , we'll see.
Here is a link about Blackshear:
https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/04...5-options-graduate-transfer-kerry-blackshear/

We are preseason #1.

Now, 2020 in MIchigan is a great group,already signed Jalen Terry who is a beast point guard and he will help us sign others.

The future is bright for Izzo and even if no second natty he will have double digits f4s.

SO THERE!!!

BTW I agree , climate change and income inequality is all Izzo's fault.

 

[mandb2019]

Maybe when you grow up, you will meet someone that was raped. Many rapes go unreported, but the pain remains and doesn't go away on its own. Because of people like you, I hope she wins, takes down the athletic department and walks away with $1.

I am as much against rape as you are so just stop it!!!
Izzo didnt protect anyone-he doesnt run the state.
He didnt cover up shit.
NO one was charged with rape.
You're in la la land

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

I am as much against rape as you are so just stop it!!!
Izzo didnt protect anyone-he doesnt run the state.
He didnt cover up shit.
NO one was charged with rape.
You're in la la land

“If you pursue this you’re going to be swimming with some pretty big fish”

Why you fail to see how Izzo wouldn’t be part of this culture problem is beyond explanation. You really think Izzo had NO influence on this type of thinking within the MSU community?

 

[ufo33]

I am as much against rape as you are so just stop it!!!
Izzo didnt protect anyone-he doesnt run the state.
He didnt cover up shit.
NO one was charged with rape.
You're in la la land

Are you a lawyer for MSU?
MSU has had 35 sexual violence cases since 2012.

 

[snarlcakes]

I am as much against rape as you are so just stop it!!!
Izzo didnt protect anyone-he doesnt run the state.
He didnt cover up shit.
NO one was charged with rape.
You're in la la land

Nope. You turn a blind eye to it as long as your piece of sh#t coach wins enough basketball games. You’re an ignorant douchebag.

 

[mathboy]

The reason that there are no convictions in these "rape situations" is that the university and the coaching/counseling staff have worked hard covering up and discouraging any legal action. Don't defend Izzo and the MSU crowd by referring to convictions. It is the very lack of convictions and even court cases that is the shame here. The victims will eventually have their day and MSU will rue that day.

 

[CousinofSparty]

The reason that there are no convictions in these "rape situations" is that the university and the coaching/counseling staff have worked hard covering up and discouraging any legal action. Don't defend Izzo and the MSU crowd by referring to convictions. It is the very lack of convictions and even court cases that is the shame here. The victims will eventually have their day and MSU will rue that day.

1-Where is the proof of a coverup?

2-Where is the proof Izzo or Dantonio was part of any alleged "coverup"?

For all my attempts to see the proof, all you can do is attack the coaches and the administration. Nasser is another matter but we know for sure that the football and bb coaches were not involved with Nasser.

 

[76-1]

1-Where is the proof of a coverup?

2-Where is the proof Izzo or Dantonio was part of any alleged "coverup"?

For all my attempts to see the proof, all you can do is attack the coaches and the administration. Nasser is another matter but we know for sure that the football and bb coaches were not involved with Nasser.

You freaking moron.

Dantonio had a joker from Ft Wayne on scholarship and on campus under his "personal supervision" (his words, not mine) who had already assaulted a girl in high school but had the look of a future All American DE and in less than a year the guy raped a girl. The football coach was completely blameless of course...

Izzo had another rapist living in his freaking basement but suddenly now has no recall of why he left the program...

After all if that you clowns bring in an ex state politician who promptly (on cue) attempts a combination buy off/intimidation move on the victims...

I could add more but you guys aren't worthy of my time...

You clowns have so much to be proud of up there...

Enjoy those W's ..., they're tainted..., Big Time...

Let me guess..., your 2nd favorite school is Penn State...

 

[CC Mac]

Izzo is a ref baiting,whiney POS

 

[ufo33]

He gets them to the final four (now and them) and each year that goes by makes the old scandal a distant memory. The scandals wont have much if any impact unless they continue to happen.

They continue to happen.
MSU athletics has enabled a culture of sexual violence.

 

[OhioBoiler51]

bad dude...
1-Are parents that send top recruits to be mentored by Izzo, a father figure to their son for 4 years, just stupid or uncaring?

2-Why do ex players come back to visit Izzo, year after year ? Didnt/doesn't happen with Crean,Beilein, Knight. Most objective people would say coach has had a positive influence on their development.

3-Izzo has given as much if not more to charity,good causes, sacrificed his time and energy for the community as any coach past or present.

4-He has been consistently applauded for being above board when it comes to recruiting. Given his high level recruiting success, that is damn good.

Over the course of 25 years, he has made mistakes;he is not perfect; he is not a smooth public spokeman. However , your villification of him is irrational and some of you should look in the mirror and examine the true source of your bitterness.

1 - They aren't stupid. They also know the NCAA isn't going to do shit to MSU so why not profit on their sons athletic ability. It's smart financially even if it's wrong morally

2 - Didn't Derrick Nix have some things to say about Izzo pretty recently? I forgot what he said. I do know Garrick Sherman isn't too big of a fan though.

Edit - Nix's tweet


Sherman has a whole list to just pick one tweet about Izzo and msu

3 - I'll agree here. He wears a shit ton of ribbons for the survivors

4 - Well there was the bridges incident that I guess you can claim Izzo didn't know about but then there's this

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.newsobserver.com/sports/article229648324.html

Izzo, Fife, and Stephens are listed as some of Dawkins "main guys"? Wonder what that's about? Not the list of coaches id want to be associated with and definitely not the person I would want saying I was one of his main guys.


As far as the sexual assault stuff didn't Payne basically admit to what he and Appling were accused of? Wasnt Walton living with Izzo when his assaults took place? I know they are innocent until proven guilty but when you're at a university that is now proven to cover a bunch of stuff like this up (really disgusting btw) then it raises eyebrows just a little bit more.

Now I'm not saying anything should happen to Izzo yet because it needs to be proven he knew but I sure wouldn't pound my chest in defense of him either and I really really wouldn't be going on opposing fan boards starting threads about what a saint he is.

 

[coachv jr]

I gave you several points that refute your premise and your response is infantile.

Can't argue with 3 year olds.

and yet...

 

[HoosiersChamps]

I gave you several points that refute your premise and your response is infantile.

Can't argue with 3 year olds.

Feepaw?

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

Izzo can viably play dumb about all of this. What makes him a slimeball is that he knows if he looks what he will find, but each and every time he chooses not to look.

That being said, I'm always more stunned by the authorities failing to do anything.

You don't have to suspend a player if they are in jail.

 

[iubud]

I am as much against rape as you are so just stop it!!!
Izzo didnt protect anyone-he doesnt run the state.
He didnt cover up shit.
NO one was charged with rape.
You're in la la land

Why should I STOP IT? Just go away. This is OUR board. It sickens me to hear someone defend a rape enabler that allowed an insignificant walk on remain on the bench. Imagine the steps he would take to protect a good player. Oh wait. we have already seen that with Payne, Appling, et. al.

 

[ORG]

This case can go to civil court where proof beyond a reasonable doubt is not needed.

 

[VanPastorMan]

bad dude...
1-Are parents that send top recruits to be mentored by Izzo, a father figure to their son for 4 years, just stupid or uncaring?

2-Why do ex players come back to visit Izzo, year after year ? Didnt/doesn't happen with Crean,Beilein, Knight. Most objective people would say coach has had a positive influence on their development.

3-Izzo has given as much if not more to charity,good causes, sacrificed his time and energy for the community as any coach past or present.

4-He has been consistently applauded for being above board when it comes to recruiting. Given his high level recruiting success, that is damn good.

Over the course of 25 years, he has made mistakes;he is not perfect; he is not a smooth public spokeman. However , your villification of him is irrational and some of you should look in the mirror and examine the true source of your bitterness.

Coach Knight had former players visit all the time. I can't speak of other coaches you mentioned.