would that disappoint you? seems like some on here want a clean slate. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do with players who were perceived to underachieve under Woodson.
If Devries were to keep Rice and MM
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MM can move on, he doesn’t play hard. Rice I would give a shot if everyone else is gone
I think Myles has a shot. He plays defense the way DD demands and he has demonstrated the ability to push (DD wants a good luck in the first 12 seconds of each pocession). We spent a lot of time watching Myles walk the ball up, unfortunately.
I don't care to see MM in an IU uniform again. The price is not right.
of the players who could stay these 2 are the most realistic from what I have heard, but I suspect they will leave also. I just think it would be interesting to see how MM would look under a no BS coach.
I just depends on things we don't know. I have to trust CDD to talk to them and figure it out. We see the problems, but not the cause.
If CDD tells them what he wants them to fix, and that he will teach them how to do it if they commit to doing it, and they aren't all-in, well, easy choice. If they deny they have that problem, again, easy choice.
But if the kid is saying they did everything Woodson told them to do, but he just didn't give them detailed instructions on how to improve, well, more of these kids may be salvageable than we think.
I'm trusting in CDD 100%. If he feels a guy has the mentality and skills he's looking for and wants to keep them, I'm trusting that. Why care what a bunch of fanboard goofs (including myself in that grouping!) think?
Yup...it'll be an interesting thing if any of them stay. If a guy like Mack stays at IU... we'll all get a pretty darn good case study in 1) how important coaching in college really is for players 2) Whether or not DeVries really is what everyone is saying about him right now, which is a detail oriented guy, a guy that demands attention to those details, etc... If Mack were to stay, and looked largely the same a month or so in to the season...that would be a very BAD sign in all this. Conversely, if he stayed, and we saw a more intense, engaged Mack...you know maybe saw him in an actual defensive stance every now and then... that could be a very GOOD sign.
I would give Rice the benefit of the doubt based upon the serious Health issue He has been through, and the possibility He wasn't back at full strength yet. An off season of full weight and conditioning work might help. My only concern is He hasn't shown that He is a true point guard. Maybe a different Coach with a different system will help him in that regard. MM is replaceable. If He scores 20, He gives up 25 with his Defensive Deficiencies, and doesn't show the desire or mental toughness to become a better Defender. I don't think He coul guard my Grandmother, and She died in 1973.
MM seems like the type who was gifted with size and athletic talent, but has zero interest in playing basketball. Almost like he’s just playing because he’s supposed to. My girlfriend back in HS was 5’10” and was extremely athletic…had zero interest in organized sports.
With MM, I think it’s going to take longer than a month or so to see the kind of results you are talking about. It’s clear to me that there are many aspects of his game that haven’t been developed, in HS and at IU. Contrast that with Myles Rice, who I believe would develop at a faster pace and might be a better example of what you suggest.
couldn't disagree more on MM.
I think he be stellar with both a coach and a coach who understands what needs to be on both end of the court.
We were nothing but squandered talent and no sane person can hang it on MM
I think Rice showed what kind of defender he can be in the second half of the PU game. IMO, the best one on one defense I have seen in quite a while.
To me, the real question is can CDD get that kind of effort from him game after game!
If a coach can get MM to play hard, it would be very hard to find anyone in the portal as talented as he is with the upside. I like Rice I think he fits the way DD plays better than he did what Woody had to offer.
I would like to keep Tucker but it seems as if that ship has sailed.
I would like to keep Tucker but it seems as if that ship has sailed.
Interestingly, WSU with Rice eliminated Drake from the tourney in his last game there. I wonder if that might influence his view?
Nah...I'd be able to see something probably with a couple weeks if I were able to watch practices. Probably within a minute or two of their first game if not. Fundamental things middle schoolers can start to pick up on in a couple weeks. Obviously Mack would be a work in progress early in the year next year, no matter where he goes. But the work that DeVries and his staff, and Mack, would have put in from April through November, would be immediately noticeable in their first game.
To be successful CDD needs a team that can play to his system. IU has one of the slowest, least athletic rosters in the B1G. I know many believe Rice is fast but in reality he's average for a PG. Being the fastest player on a slow team isn't saying much. The hope is Rice was not being coached to succeed and there's still a chance he pans out.
The one constant through IUs woes over many years is they rarely have a top level PG. That should be IUs goal. If your going to spend big on NIL, get the PG right.
The one constant through IUs woes over many years is they rarely have a top level PG. That should be IUs goal. If your going to spend big on NIL, get the PG right.
I hope everyone that has eligibility to stay does if the coach wants them back. If Woody was such an issue then maybe the new coach gets them on track. DeVries teams take a lot of 3's is my understanding. Woody teams seemingly went thru the post. Might we see more plays to create open 3's. If MM gets consistent with that shot, he'd be deadly. If Leal, Gallo, Ballo, Hatton, MR, Goode, and Cupps are gone there is plenty open spots to get players. If the newbies take MM's playing time he can xfer next year. I'd like to see MR stay but being from miami, I guess he may likely want to play at home.
I think MM came here thinking he'd be here for a year. Woodson probably sold him on getting him to the league like TJD and JHS. Surprised he even came back this year, I guess a huge bag of cash did the convincing. He gives no impression at all of a kid who wants to work hard.
I liked JHS too but he wasn't a true PG and the best they could do with him was a play in game W. Then crushed in round one. They haven't been legit contenders for anything since Yogi.
I think MM is wired a certain way that would best be served on a middle of the pack p4 school team where he could put up numbers and get himself back on a draft board next year. Rice could pop with a modern offense and coaching. I think he's better as a secondary playmaker.
Impression? lol
I'm sure the coach can get more than an opinion on impression to determine if they should move forward together next year or if he should leave.
Well of course -- it's an opinion. Maybe he is a deeply motivated driven kid and Woodson just couldn't get that out of him. If DeVries can get that out of him, more power to him and I'll be happy to see it.
2 things
1. does dd want them?
2. how much of a pay cut are they willing to accept (here or elswhere)?
I can agree some because he drove me crazy not diving for loose balls etc. so maybe he isn't motivated but who knows. I'm not gonna label him or lose any sleep if he leaves. Some players need more time to develop or adjust as they move on to next levels. T. Bates is an example. MM has a pure shot that probably fits what the coach wants. They'll figure out if he should stay or go.
Maybe but I don't really agree. Yogi was a score first PG so don't how much of True PG he was either. He got NBA time because of shooting and especially 3's.
I'm sure JHS could have done very well with the Cody and Oladipo team as a PG. I can only imagine what he could of done had he stayed for 3 or 4 years. . If you read the NBA draft profiles on JHS I'd say he is every bit the PG that Yogi is except he is 6'6 not sub 6 foot. So let's call him a SG.
I think it silly to base decisions on how far one goes in the tournament. IU ran into a red hot Miami team as did a few other teams in that tourney.
Does he know what quality coaching looks like? I think with his combination of size and God-given shooting mechanics, he's never been developed. Nothing would shoot him back up the draft boards faster next year than constantly showing he responds to coaching, is an effort defender and has learned how to do the little things. If he wants that and can do it, he should stay at IU. An unlocked Mgbako with TD and hopefully Goode is problem to match-up with. Let Sisley understudy behind that for a year. Solid bigs and trustworthy point guards that don't break the bank, theyre out there.
It wouldn't disappoint me either way. What would disappoint me, is if CDD kept him, played him, MM continued to do what he has done, and he continued to play major minutes. EARN the playing time no matter who the f you are and how many stars you have by your name.
Speaking of stars, BTW, I'm going to continue my soap box from 2023-24. Take the stars off players butts. They didn't earn them, past players did... plus it just reminds me every game how Indiana is still stuck on 5.
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^^^ fixated on our players asses.
I think Mgbako could also benefit from a different kind of training. He's taller than Reneau but seems to get shoved around underneath. A guy his size should bulk up a bit.
He probably has above-average quickness but we played PGs this year who were considerably faster.
Before the season there was plenty of talk about what a great leader he was. Didn't really see it.
Low assist guy with below average to average 3 pt shooting and no mid-range game to speak of.
Can take it to the basket but really only in the open court. Not much strength to finish at the rim.
And the thing nobody is talking about.....the cost. I don't know exactly what he was paid this year, but let's say it was $800000. Do you want him back for that much? I think his market value has declined, as he did not step up his game. I'd rather get someone else.
I'd be hard-pressed to just let Rice walk. His challenge was decision making and defensive positioning. It was never effort or athleticism. Offer him the same NIL but playing time is 100% earned.
MM - There was a time this year I hated him due to his lack of effort. But he's got skills and size that a better coach needs to utilize. Get him the ball closer to the basket, even allow him to post-up with the right match-up and he'll be a new player. His defensive effort is very dependent on his offense. That may be what sends him packing.
I'd let him go to keep Tucker. If I'm DD, this is my number 1 priority.
MM - There was a time this year I hated him due to his lack of effort. But he's got skills and size that a better coach needs to utilize. Get him the ball closer to the basket, even allow him to post-up with the right match-up and he'll be a new player. His defensive effort is very dependent on his offense. That may be what sends him packing.
I'd let him go to keep Tucker. If I'm DD, this is my number 1 priority.
