Report: Washington and Oregon eyeing Big Ten admittance
Report: Washington and Oregon may be eyeing to join the Big Ten alongside USC and UCLA
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Huskies and Ducks too?
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Rather have Cal and Stanford.
Academically, the four California schools are on a par with the generally accepted top four BiG academic schools. In that regard, the fit is probably an exciting alliance, though I wouldn’t have a clause as to the various fits and complements there. Athletically, they each have recently renovated stadiums and very good facilities, and all are known for their Olympic sports, which are the best in the land. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out. Proportional revenues are coming at some point, and that’s not great news for us.
Go Hoosiers.
You have to wonder what kind of academic fit those two have with the B1G; are they accredited school like B1G schools [Nebraska is the exception].
Report: Washington and Oregon eyeing Big Ten admittance
Report: Washington and Oregon may be eyeing to join the Big Ten alongside USC and UCLA
Which is what I stated before: revenue will come into play and that truly isn’t good news for a school like IU. It’s only a matter of time before IU is in a conference with a different collection of schools. People point out the “academic alignment.” That’s coming to an end very quickly. IU cannot command the attention on t.v. that these others can.
IUFB can command TV attention with seasons like the 2020 season. The question is can IUFB have seasons like that in normal years or is it a bridge too far.
I forget the source, but want to say it was the PAC-12 guy that initially broke this story yesterday, said late last night (before 10pm ET) that no other PAC12 schools were coming with USC/UCLA.
They can because of basketball. Watch the ratings for the three games IU plays against NC, Kansas and Arizona. Plus the presidents would never agree to proportional revenues. The believe in equality and none of them would want to rock the boat. Too many hurt feelings to do that (remember modern day academics). This stuff about B1G teams leaving, being kicked out or revenues reduced is just ridiculous on the face. Big, you are truly the Eeyore of this board and your thoughts are as tiresome and negative as they are predictable.
All of the schools in the PAC will fit fine and, as I’ve already said, the California schools slot quite well with the top four BiG schools from an academic perspective. This is a scaled approach to long term media rights negotiations.
Facts can get in the way of a good narrative. Thx for sharing. Mobile.
The Big Ten isn’t going to kick out a school that has been a member for over a century. I don’t know if there has ever been a case of a conference kicking out a school.
Of course they won’t. But it’s possible and even likely that, at some point, the conference decides to distribute revenue on a formula based more on what you generate rather than on the equal shares basis they do now. That’s where schools like NU or, unfortunately IU (among others), should be a bit concerned. When you withdraw more than you deposit, someone will eventually take note.
Go Hoosiers.
Although, where will the votes come from to make a tiered distribution system happen. Only a handful of schools (OSU/UM/PSU) would command a substantially larger split of revenue. Other schools that might see some increase (Wisc/MSU) might prefer the status quo rather than fall further behind the top tier schools - is a 10% increase in their TV revenue worth it to them to see OSU get a 50%+ increase.
It’s a great question that doesn’t have an easy answer, but I think it’s at least possible that a few of the “haves” could intimate that they’ll either get what they believe is coming to them or they’ll explore the options elsewhere that will do that for them. In the end, the concepts of equality and fairness don’t necessarily equate practically to uniform treatment, and there are four or five schools in the existing BiG that could say, without question, that they’re picking up at least part of the check for some of the members who contribute less. We’ll see how that goes now that the membership committee has decided to admit some new members. Again, for our beloved alma mater, that’s not particularly favorable arithmetic.
Go Hoosiers.
Will USC & UCLA get a full share, if I recall MD, Rutgers, or NB did not get a full share of the distribution until after they had been in the league for so many years.
Ohio State can believe they are worth whatever they want, but they can't play the games against themselves. It's tough to imagine a conference that would take them and give them a better deal. Bama and Clemson aren't going to let OSU have more than they get. The PAC 12 and BIG 12 are in hospice. Where else is OSU going to go?
The BIG and SEC are slowly headed toward being the AL and NL. They will take some other teams with them. Then they will create a tiered system for the leftovers, like English soccer.
If they include promotion and relegation, it might actually be more fun. But, the lower level BIG and SEC schools probably won't do that, because of the loss of revenue that relegation would entail.
This is all football driven. You think this has to do with basketball? Basketball isn’t part of this equation. Not a factor in conference realignment.
Its a viable question but here are my thoughts. I have to imagine all of the top recruits looking at schools outside of the SEC and B1G are going to question things. Would you rather go to a school like Baylor or Arizona State as opposed to an Indiana considering the landscape right now? I think by virtue of proxy, we are going rise up over a LOT of schools when it comes to recruiting just based on the situation. This goes for all sports. So at this point, I wouldn't say anything is out of the realm. Right now there are 32-40 realistic teams we are competing against as opposed to 80-90 schools. I foresee a lot of parity in the future.
What they can do is approach the other members of the conference and say, in no uncertain terms, that they are paid less than they’re worth from a revenue standpoint. They’ll also likely take that opportunity to show that some members are paid more than they generate, as well. They likely would get other member schools who are in the same situation to join them. If they don’t get a more equitable distribution after that, they could do all kinds of things, likely in cooperation with the other “have” schools. You mention relegation . . . what if they just said that lower home attendance schools have to either host fewer conference games or that attendance and media revenue will be divided differently? The old model of equal distribution is a terminal patient.
Yeah, this has little to do with basketball, which is why we need to be thoughtful here. If we don’t go all in on football, we’ll be buried.
100 percent correct but don’t let the boys on the Basketball board hear you say that.
Most think football success has no bearing on the basketball program.
If we end up getting around $100 million a year with the next TV contract, we are going to be able to do things that teams in the ACC, Big 12, and Pac 12 (what remain of the latter 2) will not be able to do.
We need to bump up coach pay for football and get a facility upgrade that is the football equivalent of what we did for the basketball team with Cook Hall. Those should be the first items addressed with the windfall.
Actually, it did happen to Temple in the Big East. It was kicked out for being non-competitive in football.
The boys on the basketball board are caught in the Paleolithic era and actually believe that a university can survive in this conference on basketball alone. They haven’t the first clue what these t.v. deals are about. I like basketball too but they are don’t capture eyeballs like college football. Football championship game had around 6 million more viewers than the final game for March Madness last year. I hear Cavanaugh is working on some sweet podcast incentives and McDonald’s gift certificates for the players though.. Lol.
It’s Notre Dame or nothing more. Someone will get drug along. UNC is one that’s gaining steam. I think West is done.
Zero chance anyones getting kicked out. Zero.
We’ve proven we can win where we are with the right staff. This influx of cash should cause us never to lose another coordinator for anything other than a power 5 coaching job.
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If this is such a great idea - to distribute revenue on a formula/value basis is so inevitable, why didn't the NFL do it? Because there is more value in equal revenue sharing. Again the folks that would have to vote for it would be the university presidents/chancellors. Highly doubtful they would see a need for this or vote for it. The money is great with the potential for higher revenues over time.
They didn't invest in football. All of the B1G schools invest in football. Ever look at facilities in football across the conference? Every single school has great facilities and/or planning to improve them.
You keep thinking about this in the vacuum of athletics only. The ADs do not make this decisions, the university presidents do and they are all almost universally socialists/communists at heart. Equal share of revenues fits their ideological views, they won't do this.
Its all about money. Basketball is part of that. The contracts the B1G signs with Fox/FS1 etc. are for both sports. Both sports have eyes watching. Is football bigger? Yes for some games, but some basketball games are bigger than for some football games. How many eyes watch Rutgers/Maryland in football versus Indiana/UCLA in basketball?
I've preached to this board for years about the football versus basketball situation. Football not only floats the boat, it propels the boat.
Indiana's hang-up with bball has certainly made it a small player in the grand scheme of the BIG conference. Football butters the bread and it's a cash cow.
We will find out sooner than later if Scott Dolson is a competent football AD. I certainly have my concerns with Dolson.
Indiana's hang-up with bball has certainly made it a small player in the grand scheme of the BIG conference. Football butters the bread and it's a cash cow.
We will find out sooner than later if Scott Dolson is a competent football AD. I certainly have my concerns with Dolson.
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