You think Jerry Jones shares everything equally? Everything? Nope. And why would OSU, PSU and UM continue to be okay with subsidizing other schools? Gene Smith has been making noise about this for years.
Huskies and Ducks too?
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USC and UCLA could’ve continued to collect their share of a much smaller number yet they chose otherwise. Were they being socialist when they chose a much greater payday?
Also Utah, Arizona and Colorado. ASU, OSU and WSU on the outside looking in, at least academically.
Also Kansas is AAU FWIW--oh well, at least they'd be another beatable football opponent. Not sure the Kansas City TV market is worth pursuing though.
Maybe keep UNC, UVA, Ga Tech and possibly Pitt on speed dial for the time being?
The ACC schools have signed away their media rights through the end of the decade. They’re frozen in place.
One motion to expel Ohio State oughta shut Smith up.
Depends on who makes the motion. He’s been buying dinner and drinks for a lot of people for many years.
yes, but I'm not sure how enforceable that agreement is if the whole conference collapses (with Clemson and Florida State going SEC, etc)
Agreed. Contracts will be binding until someone elects to pay the breakup fee, then they’re meaningless. The conference that’s gonna get squeezed is the Big12. Their members are the equivalent of a lonely hearts dance group of attendees.
You are picking out few select games. I can tell you, whether you like it or not, football drives all of this. Even if you hate football, it drives the revenue. If IU’s history in basketball is the only thing that matters to you, how is it that IU is 4-22 against a historically non-factor in basketball like Wisconsin. As soon as they became relevant in football, built the Kohl Center before all the BTN money, they left IU in the dust. They should never be mutually exclusive. The better programs in the conference figured this out long ago.
Wisconsin hired Pat Richter, a former football All American, as AD, and he hired Barry Alvarez. He understood. We hired a former basketball manager. Good guy but . . .
Looking at the top TV markets it would be Washington, UNC, GA Tech, and Oregon that would be the most desirable of those with a realistic chance to be grabbed. You get 3 of them and Notre Dame and the money will roll in.
You are missing Cal and Stanford for the Sf SJ and Oakland mkt.
So, who is going to go down on his knees and beg ND to join? How much extra does it get, considering it turned us down once before? The conference needs to show a little pride and wait for ND to contact us.
By the way, I guess the Rocky Mountain states must no longer exist. The BIG guidelines previously stated that any addition must come from a university that adjoins another state that has a conference school. So the area from Nebraska to California must now be together.
By the way, I guess the Rocky Mountain states must no longer exist. The BIG guidelines previously stated that any addition must come from a university that adjoins another state that has a conference school. So the area from Nebraska to California must now be together.
Methinks you don't know what a socialist/communist is other than a fox news buzz word....does this mean mitch Daniels was a socialist/communist? Lol
With TV revenue, which is what we're talking about here, he does. And he does so because no other owner will let him do otherwise. The majority of the university presidents will feel the same way.
As I've said in essence elsewhere, where is the leverage? Whenever you want more money in your job or as a business you have to have leverage. Leverage is created by a walk away scenario. Where does tOSU walk away to? The money is not better in the SEC. As an independent, like Notre Dame, the money would be way worse because neither tOSU, PSU, UM has a truly national/natural broad following like say ND (Catholics) and their tv money isn't close to the B1G. Again, where is the leverage? I just don't see it, not now. Is it possible that a group of perennial football powers walk away from the B1G, SEC, and a few others to form this select conference? Doubtful, someone would have to lose. None of these schools like to lose. If I'm those schools, my revenue enhancer is the CFB playoffs and that money. That's what I'd go after, but even there the road would be tough. We can agree to disagree, but I don't see the idea of unequal shares of revenue having much chance.
No, I don't watch/read Fox, I watch/read what goes on at college campuses. Mitch is an outlier - and his stance on NIL proves he doesn't care much for professionalism intruding in college sports.
Hickory sees everyone with a different view as Fox news watcher when a number of us aren't. I hope everyone sees this expansion of the as a great opportunity for IU football [especial our AD]. With the increased TV money coming improvements are possible and not making them will be criminal to the football team.
Here's a site that lists the top TV markets:
Top 100 Television Markets - Station Index
The largest 100 television markets in the United States.
www.stationindex.com
Since there is no date attached to the information above there's no way of knowing its up to date accuracy but for arguments sake let's presume it is correct within a plus/minus ranking of 3 spots one way or another...
Excluding areas we clearly won't bother with, that leaves us with a remaining top 40 (TV market) group of: Philadelphia (Temple), greater San Francisco area (Stanford), Boston (U Mass; BC), Atlanta (GaTech), D.C. (Virginia), Houston (Rice), Seattle (U of Washington), Denver (U of Colorado), St. Louis (U of Missouri), Portland (U of Oregon), Pittsburgh (Pitt), Nashville (Vanderbilt) Hartford (UConn), Kansas City (Kansas)
Throwing in the Great White Whale... (*theoretical "national" TV market) Notre Dame..., along with Iowa State just because they're a geographical fit and..., that gives you 17 teams to pick 4 from...
Considering only the "most likely to be considered" that leaves us with Iowa State, Kansas, Vanderbilt, Pitt, Oregon, Missouri, Colorado, Washington, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Stanford, and Notre Dame...
Pare that list down to "most likely to accept" and you've got Washington, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, Iowa State, and Kansas...
Top 4 markets of that group = Stanford, Washington, Colorado, and..., Oregon...
Those..., gentlemen, are our next four most probable expansion target markets...
In my opinion, Notre Dame can be crossed off the list because they're elitist a... h....s who don't realize that they haven't been a serious factor on the big time football scene for quite some time (along with the fact that they're scared to death of a taking on a full schedule of Big Ten teams)...; and they already have their own TV $$$$$$$$$ and it's unlikely they wish to share any of it...; now...., if That changes (seems like that was inferred once on here)....., then we might see them swallow their pride and consider the move because with them and the Big Ten it's ultimately all about the 💰...
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"even likely" ?
Based on what set of facts?
Or more than "likely", based on your divination.
There are 32 NFL teams who operate as one unit. College sports is much different. You’re suggesting that some schools should pay the way for others. That’s not going to be acceptable for some of them.
Notre Dame's TV money is not competitive with what the Big Ten and SEC are looking to be bringing in with these super conferences. Honestly if I am the Big Ten and I get rejected again, I am working with the SEC to ice Notre Dame out of the playoffs. They can independently have themselves a good time with the leftover schools. 8 team playoff of two 20 team leagues is pretty easy to fill. 8 divisions of 5. Winner of each division is in the playoff. Then piss off ND.
ND, Stanford, Washington, Oregon. If ND wants out, I push to destroy the ACC by adding UNC. North Carolina has several TV markets in the Top 50. Maryland already helps us with the DC and Baltimore market so you don't necessarily need UVA.
Stanford, Washington, Oregon, USC, UCLA is the 1st division of Big Ten West.
Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin is the 2nd west division.
Michigan, Michigan St., Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana are the first division of Big Ten East.
Ohio St., Penn St., Rutgers, Maryland, UNC/ND are the second division.
You play everyone in your division once and then you rotate the other three divisions as part of your schedule.
So one year B10 East 1 plays B10 West 2.
Next year B10 E1 play B10 E2
Then Big10 E1 plays B10 W1 in year 3.
You get the teams in your division every year and play every one else at least one time every 3 years. You could move some teams around here and there, but this format is what I think things will eventually somewhat look like.
This is all about scale and leverage and the ability of one party to use it against others. Conference consolidation is only the beginning. Schools who bring in more will tire of subsidizing those who bring in less. Ask some of the PAC12 schools if they’re feeling a bit concerned right now. Or some of the B12. At some point, every school with leverage will use it for their best interests. And that’s before the players try to get a piece of the pie. Wait until they attempt to use their leverage to do that.
Doubtful that Cal and Stanford will go their separate ways. More Cal people in the Bay Area than Stanford alums.
BINGO! The only thing dire in Bloomington is last seasons record. Allen has made lots of changes to answer near every challenge and opportunity revealed last season. Maybe we don't have the right man but he damn sure has the prominent attitude needed. QB's and Los will determine the season. They are no doubt 2 of the top 3 priorities for Allen. Go HOOSIERS!!!
I will guarantee you Jerry Jones shares everything the NFL revenue sharing agreement REQUIRES that he share.... The NFL runs a very, very tight audit of all things that fall under the agreement.
Sure, the Cowboys generate more total revenue than any other NFL team but every team is allowed to keep all money generated through their own corporate sponsorships, 60% of ticket sales, concessions & parking, etc. It has been this way since the late-1950's when then Commissioner Bert Bell originated it and then Pete Rozelle expanded it.
Yea, Jerry Jones barks about being the big dog but he's one against 31 other owners and they're not going to allow that to change.... It's known that he has been accused of trying to "fix his Books" to avoid paying but he has been pretty much slapped down by the league and they've had a fixed eye on him ever since
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Correct. Until the Bowl games are over. Then BB gets it's turn wearing the King's crown.
With all this talk about TV markets I thought I'd dusty off my old TV Local & National Sales Mgrs. hat and do a little research into which conference, B1G or SEC should have the advantage when it comes to generating Ad revenue based on the DMA's they will dominate or even share... (only a few are truly shared like Louiisville and St. Louis, or overlap like Charlotte, NC and NC does not have an SEC school) ....
Note that I only went through the Top 150 DMA's... there are about 250 measured DMA.. the reason only 150?... once you get to that level the DMA's are all below 150,000 TV households and I didn't want to bother with what little they add to each conference.
I know the vast majoritiy of college sports viewing (unless it's a HUGE game) is local/regional..... so,...
I think all of the Texas and Oklahoma DMA's go to the SEC, the same way I have all of the California DMA's going to the B1G....
The Texas and OK adds to the SEC gave them a HH boost that got them to about the same level as the B1g....
But, by adding the California schools the B1G moves into about an 11 Million HH advantage....
NOTE... I did not give markets like Boston, the #10 DMA, or Denver at #16 to either conference since they're so far removed geographically from both the B1G or SEC.... Sure, there are and will be viewers in the those markets but there is no way to truly judge which side they'd favor to watch....
Anyway for what it's worth, I believe that adding U of Washington (Seattle #12 DMA) or Colorado (Denver #16 DMA) or even Cal (even though it doesn't "add" anything) would be the best move to guarantee the B1G is the dominate conference in terms of potential $$$...
Note that I only went through the Top 150 DMA's... there are about 250 measured DMA.. the reason only 150?... once you get to that level the DMA's are all below 150,000 TV households and I didn't want to bother with what little they add to each conference.
I know the vast majoritiy of college sports viewing (unless it's a HUGE game) is local/regional..... so,...
I think all of the Texas and Oklahoma DMA's go to the SEC, the same way I have all of the California DMA's going to the B1G....
The Texas and OK adds to the SEC gave them a HH boost that got them to about the same level as the B1g....
But, by adding the California schools the B1G moves into about an 11 Million HH advantage....
NOTE... I did not give markets like Boston, the #10 DMA, or Denver at #16 to either conference since they're so far removed geographically from both the B1G or SEC.... Sure, there are and will be viewers in the those markets but there is no way to truly judge which side they'd favor to watch....
Anyway for what it's worth, I believe that adding U of Washington (Seattle #12 DMA) or Colorado (Denver #16 DMA) or even Cal (even though it doesn't "add" anything) would be the best move to guarantee the B1G is the dominate conference in terms of potential $$$...
| BIG TEN Markets | TV Households | SEC Markets | TV Households | B1G States | SEC States |
1 - NY | 7,348,620 | 5 - Dallas FW | 2,713,380 | ||
| 2 - LA | 5,476,830 | 7 - Atl | 2,648,970 | ||
| 3 - Chicago | 3,463,060 | 8- Hous | 2,569,900 | ||
| 4 - Philly | 2,942,800 | 13- Tampa | 2,035,250 | ||
| 6 - San Fran | 2,488,090 | 17 - Orl-Daytona | 1,731,360 | ||
| 9 - DC | 2,476,680 | 18 - Miami | 1,693,450 | ||
| 14 - Minn | 1,887,390 | 22 - Charlotte | 1,290,660 | ||
| 15- Detroit | 1,862,620 | 23 - St. Louis | 1,239,210 | Indiana | Alabama |
| 19 - Cleve | 1,511,970 | 29 - Nashv | 1,120,340 | Iowa | Louisiana |
| 20 - Sacramento | 1,459,260 | 31 - San Ant. | 1,031,180 | Illinois | Mississippi |
| 23 - St. Louis | 1,182,500 | 34 - KC | 986,160 | Ohio | Georgia |
25 - Indy | 1,182,500 | 35 - Greenville-Spart | 940,000 | Michigan | Florida |
| 26 - Pitt | 1,166,130 | 38 - Austin | 912,400 | Maryland | Texas |
| 28 - Balt | 1,129,830 | 39 - West Palm | 870,720 | New Jersey | Missouri |
| 33 - Columbus | 999,300 | 43 - Jacksonville | 756,960 | Pennsylvania | Arkansas |
| 36 - Cincy | 925,900 | 44 - OK City | 755,340 | Minnesota | Kentucky |
| 37- Milwakee | 921,920 | 45 - Birmingham | 730,440 | Wisconsin | South Carolina |
| 41 - Grand Rapids | 781,080 | 47 - Greensboro | 717,110 | Nebraska | Tennessee |
| 42 - Harrisburg | 772,810 | 49 - Louisville | 696,070 | California | Oklahoma |
| 49 - Louisville | 696,070 | 50 - NOLA | 663,520 | ||
| 55 - Fresno | 607,202 | 51 - Memphis | 619,610 | ||
| 58 - Wilkes Barre/Scranton | 571,470 | 54 - Ft Meyers Naples | 608,640 | ||
| 65 - Dayton | 476,790 | 57 - Mobile / Pensacola | 584,290 | ||
| 68 - DesMoines | 457,040 | 59 - Little Rock | 562,060 | ||
| 69 - Green Bay | 455,560 | 61 - Tulsa | 552,980 | ||
| 72 - Omaha | 439,530 | 62 - Knoxville | 535,230 | ||
| 73 - Flint/Saginaw | 439,380 | 63 - Lexington | 499,880 | ||
| 80 - Toledo | 408,590 | 74 - Springfield MO | 432,370 | ||
| 81 - Madison | 408,570 | 76 - Columbia, SC | 421,760 | ||
| 90 - Champaign/Springfield | 365,240 | 79 - Huntsville | 409,200 | ||
| 92 - Cedar Rapids | 357,480 | 83 - Waco | 383,820 | ||
| 98 - South Bend | 320,050 | 84 - Paducah/Cape Girad | 382,300 | ||
| 103 - Davenport Molin | 298,580 | 85 - Brownsville | 380,530 | ||
| 105 - Lincoln | 287,510 | 86 - Shreveport | 375,420 | ||
| 106 - Evansville | 285,880 | 88 - Chattanooga | 373,120 | ||
| 107 - Johnstown/Altoona | 282,430 | 89 - Charleston | 369,800 | ||
| 111 - Ft. Wayne | 273,680 | 91 - Savanah | 364,630 | ||
| 115 - Lansing | 282,310 | 93 - El Paso | 343,530 | ||
| 118 - Traverse City | 253,730 | 94 - Baton Rouge | 335,670 | ||
| 119 - Youngstown | 249,300 | 95 - Fort Smith | 327,930 | ||
| 121 - Santa Barbara | 242,720 | 97 - Jackson, MS | 323,800 | ||
| 123 - Peoria | 235,550 | 99 - Myrtle Beach | 314,030 | ||
| 124 - Monterey / Salinas | 228,760 | 100 - Tri Cities TN & VA | 312,560 | ||
| 129 - LaCrosse/Eau Claire | 217,880 | 108 - Tallahassee | 281,680 | ||
| 132 - Chico/Redding | 189,580 | 110 - Tyle/Longview | 276,520 | ||
| 136 - Wausau/Rhinelander | 180,920 | 112 -Augusta GA | 271,640 | ||
| 137 - Salisbury MD | 174,080 | 120 - Macon | 243,340 | ||
| 139 - Rockford | 172,720 | 122 - Lafayette LA | 237,720 | ||
| 140 - Duluth | 171,400 | 127 - Columbus GA | 221,700 | ||
| 148 - Sioux City | 155,090 | 130 - Corpus Christi | 210,160 | ||
| 150 - Rochester MN | 149,660 | 131 - Amarillo | 190,134 | ||
| 133 - Columbus/Tupelo | 184,570 | ||||
| 135 - Columbia/Jefferson Cty | 181,120 | ||||
| 138 - Odessa/Midland | 173,210 | ||||
| TOTAL TV Households | 50,314,042 | 143 - Monroe/Eldorado | 169,140 | ||
| 144 - Beaumont/Pt Arthur | 168,210 | ||||
| 145 - Lubbock | 167,660 | ||||
| 149 - Wichita Falls | 153,870 | ||||
| TOTAL TV Households | 39,040,254 | ||||
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Wonder how the switch to “streaming” for TV will impact all this? Delaney counted cable TV subscribers. Now its “streaming-capable devices.” Will cable TV providers snd their numbers stay relevant much longer? We gonna have to get our money from Apple and Microsoft soon?
You guys need to get out of Bloomington once in a while to see how big universities operate. If IU is to survive in the new conference, it cannot continue to act like amateur hour with respect to its sports. You fire an offensive coordinator and make the head coach take the pay cut to buy him out? The recruiting budget for men’s basketball is more than football? What kinds of P5 school operates like that? None in this conference.
From what I know and more important, according to Mediatracks, cable and streaming are included in Nielson's numbers.
From Mediatracks,
"...Nielsen’s equipment detects audio codes to record the content that reaches each TV and device in the home. Depending on the market, Nielsen measures live content and on-demand, DVR, and streaming services...."
While I haven't bothered to track down which markets are or are not included, based on my experience they start with the Top markets and work their way down.
I'm pretty sure that at least the Top 50 are being surveyed this way.... Basically, any numbers you see you can rest assured they're an "accurate" measurement of viewing and include all carriers available.... "Accurate" being, + or -..... of course.
Are you sure about the recruiting budgets?
That sounds beyond belief.
I feel like I’m slowly reaching a point of a kind of distaste for IU basketball and the way it sucks oxygen … which *is* beyond belief, but true nonetheless.
Just a coincidence when people belch out fox news conservative propaganda? Of course, could be one of the fox news copy cats.
Misusing the socialist/communist term as an insult is hardly original
It would be interesting to see which schools have taken BTN money away from their athletic departments to fund other university areas too.
When its athletic money, its pooled. But i bet the music school never gets asked for part of its concert revenues.
2019 latest year I could find recruiting for BB $3.5m FB $895,000. The disparity is disgusting and it needs to change for IUFB to move up its recruiting nationwide.
So, it is fine to say you belch out MSNBC talking points. This name calling doesn't advance the conversation. Yes, I am libertarian that leans to not pushing radical left positions.
