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Highland Park Shooting, Thread 2

Death is too good.

This is where imagination flourishes.
 
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This kid had a troubling history and was completely fvcked up, yet his father enabled this tragedy.

Parents - - and particularly men - - need to effing step up, start being responsible fathers, and be willing to make tough decisions that will not always be well received by the kid.

 
This kid had a troubling history and was completely fvcked up, yet his father enabled this tragedy.

Parents - - and particularly men - - need to effing step up, start being responsible fathers, and be willing to make tough decisions that will not always be well received by the kid.


it starts with charging the parents as accessories to murder. They should face decades and rot away
 
This kid had a troubling history and was completely fvcked up, yet his father enabled this tragedy.

Parents - - and particularly men - - need to effing step up, start being responsible fathers, and be willing to make tough decisions that will not always be well received by the kid.

The CIA gave this kid and other shooters Mind Control Drugs.
 
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The CIA gave this kid and other shooters Mind Control Drugs.


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Glad to see the Judge in this case is strong. He denied bail! That should send a message to any future shooter that they should think twice before pulling that trigger.
 
it starts with charging the parents as accessories to murder. They should face decades and rot away
He was 22 years old at some point he needs to grow the **** up and be a responsible human being. I'm quite sure by looking at him he lacked a ton of attention as a kid, but at some point common sense and adult behavior must come into play.

He should be publicly humiliated IMO with family members of all the victims getting free reign on him. We need stiffer penalties for despicable acts like this, might not help but it sure as hell wouldn't hurt.
 
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He was 22 years old at some point he needs to grow the **** up and be a responsible human being. I'm quite sure by looking at him he lacked a ton of attention as a kid, but at some point common sense and adult behavior must come into play.

He should be publicly humiliated IMO with family members of all the victims getting free reign on him. We need stiffer penalties for despicable acts like this, might not help but it sure as hell wouldn't hurt.

his father fvcking sponsored him, despite the kid threatening to kill the family which resulted in police coming out. I mean, yea the kid is a gutless loser.

But his parents failed as parents and literally enabled him. They clearly didn’t care for the kid (read the stories) and deserve to serve because of that
 
his father fvcking sponsored him, despite the kid threatening to kill the family which resulted in police coming out. I mean, yea the kid is a gutless loser.

But his parents failed as parents and literally enabled him. They clearly didn’t care for the kid (read the stories) and deserve to serve because of that
I saw the dad try to claim he wasn't aware of the threats his son made.

Lol what?
 
At the risk of sounding like TMP, some sort of incel screening should be required for these kids that you can peg as weirdos on first sight. On top of all the other paperwork the purchaser should produce an affidavit signed by an adult, human, female testifying that they touched the purchasers dick. Gays are okay, wave 'em through.
 
his father fvcking sponsored him, despite the kid threatening to kill the family which resulted in police coming out. I mean, yea the kid is a gutless loser.

But his parents failed as parents and literally enabled him. They clearly didn’t care for the kid (read the stories) and deserve to serve because of that
Parents do hold a ton of responsibility but at 22 he has to know better. I was a wild kid and my parents bought me several guns prior to turning 18 I didn't go out and partake in a mass shooting. The generation of this kid is a complete mess from parents to schooling and a big part is social media.
 
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At the risk of sounding like TMP, some sort of incel screening should be required for these kids that you can peg as weirdos on first sight. On top of all the other paperwork the purchaser should produce an affidavit signed by an adult, human, female testifying that they touched the purchasers dick. Gays are okay, wave 'em through.
You know the last thing you can do in America today is single anyone out due to look. Hell 50% of kids his age I see look like "weirdo's". For the record I agree with you as he stood out like a sore thumb to me, but to go on record and "discriminate" against him due to my opinion is definitely a no no these days.
 
You know the last thing you can do in America today is single anyone out due to look. Hell 50% of kids his age I see look like "weirdo's". For the record I agree with you as he stood out like a sore thumb to me, but to go on record and "discriminate" against him due to my opinion is definitely a no no these days.
It's not discrimination if it's profiling.
 
This kid had a troubling history and was completely fvcked up, yet his father enabled this tragedy.

Parents - - and particularly men - - need to effing step up, start being responsible fathers, and be willing to make tough decisions that will not always be well received by the kid.

You're not wrong, but there's no legal avenue to require men to become "responsible" fathers when there's little agreement what "responsible" would even mean. As an alternative, we need to expand legal liability for enabler parents who allow adult children to live with them while buying and storing guns and ammunition obviously not intended for self-protection or hunting.

This is not entirely a new idea. In most places, parents are already liable for acts of their children up to a certain age that varies by locale:


Under that kind of statute, the parents' liability usually does not depend whether they actually knew their 13-year-old was getting ready to throw a cinder block through a plate glass window or to spraypaint graffiti on a house. They are liable nonetheless.

But for some reason, the law seems to leave parents of adult children in the clear, even when they know their adult child is disturbed but they still allow him to collect firearms and ammunition for storage in their house while they ignore the dangers to themselves and the public.

Parental love is important, but parents should still be legally liable when their offspring opens fire on the public and they could have prevented it. Parents should not have legal immunity in these cases. They should not have any legal rights to either (1) keep their assets, or (2) pass their assets through inheritance to their other adult children, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews or other zygotes. Period.

Need an example?


Lanza was known by his parents to have "depression, anxiety and obsessive-compulsive disorder." His parents' assets should go to Lanza's victims, not to his relatives.
 
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You're not wrong, but there's no legal avenue to require men to become "responsible" fathers when there's little agreement what "responsible" would even mean. As an alternative, we need to expand legal liability for enabler parents who allow adult children to live with them while buying and storing guns and ammunition obviously not intended for self-protection or hunting.

This is not entirely a new idea. In most places, parents are already liable for acts of their children up to a certain age that varies by locale:


Under that kind of statute, the parents' liability usually does not depend whether they actually knew their 13-year-old was getting ready to throw a cinder block through a plate glass window or to spraypaint graffiti on a house. They are liable nonetheless.

But for some reason, the law seems to leave parents of adult children in the clear, even when they know their adult child is disturbed but they still allow him to collect firearms and ammunition for storage in their house while they ignore the dangers to themselves and the public.

Parental love is important, but parents should still be legally liable when their offspring opens fire on the public and they could have prevented it. Parents should not have legal immunity in these cases. They should not have any legal rights to either (1) keep their assets, or (2) pass their assets through inheritance to their other adult children, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews or other zygotes. Period.

Need an example?


Lanza was known by his parents to have "depression, anxiety and obsessive-compulsive disorder." His parents' assets should go to Lanza's victims, not to his relatives.
My post was a societal assessment rather than a legal one.
 
Parents do hold a ton of responsibility but at 22 he has to know better. I was a wild kid and my parents bought me several guns prior to turning 18 I didn't go out and partake in a mass shooting. The generation of this kid is a complete mess from parents to schooling and a big part is social media.
You may have been a wild kid but you didn't have this kid's history.

The brain doesn't stop developing until at least age 25, and the last area to fully develop is the prefrontal cortex which controls emotional impulses and judgment. The Highland Park killer had repeatedly demonstrated poor judgment, but his father turned a blind eye. The old man's got blood on his hands as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Parents do hold a ton of responsibility but at 22 he has to know better. I was a wild kid and my parents bought me several guns prior to turning 18 I didn't go out and partake in a mass shooting. The generation of this kid is a complete mess from parents to schooling and a big part is social media.
Uh, if you entrust your car to an idiot, you could be held liable for what the idiot does with your car.


This has been the case for a long time.

Now, how much difference is there really, between that and a parent's entrusting of a bedroom in his/her house to an obviously disturbed child so he has a rentfree place to store his assault rifles, other firearms, mega-magazines and ammunition without either (1) any parental supervision or (2) even a landlord's casual monitoring of how the landlord's property is being used?

Look it up. Many of the mass shooters (including Crimo and the Sandy Hook killer) were living at home without anybody watching what the hell they were keeping there.
 
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Parents do hold a ton of responsibility but at 22 he has to know better. I was a wild kid and my parents bought me several guns prior to turning 18 I didn't go out and partake in a mass shooting. The generation of this kid is a complete mess from parents to schooling and a big part is social media.

the kid literally had mental issues and was taken out of public school for a while. That he was not only able to buy a gun, but that his parents endorsed it, is a failure of common sense.

I’m not defending the shooter, but rarely are mental psychos going to proactively prevent themselves from doing psychotic things. Others around them need to step up. The parents failed. They should be hanged. But I’d at least settle for life in prison
 
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it starts with charging the parents as accessories to murder. They should face decades and rot away
I don't know. The kid was 22. At what point do the parents not matter. I am 58. My mom and dad are 78. If I go out and do some horrific act, should they be charged as well? I get it, to a degree if a 16 year old, living at home, did something. 22? not sure.
 
I don't know. The kid was 22. At what point do the parents not matter. I am 58. My mom and dad are 78. If I go out and do some horrific act, should they be charged as well? I get it, to a degree if a 16 year old, living at home, did something. 22? not sure.

per my other post in the NRA thread


r. Covelli also discussed two prior incidents in which police had come into contact with Mr. Crimo.

Local police were informed in April 2019 that Mr. Crimo had attempted suicide and they responded to his home, learning that the incident was being handled by mental-health professionals, Mr. Covelli said.

In September 2019, police were called to Mr. Crimo’s home, where he was threatening to kill family members. Police at the time took possession of 16 knives, a dagger and a sword, Mr. Covelli said. At the time, there was no probable cause to arrest Mr. Crimo, he said, but officials did alert the state police about the incident, raising questions about the agency’s role in Mr. Crimo’s acquisition of firearms. The knives were later returned to Mr. Crimo’s father the same night after he told police that they belonged to him and were being stored in his son’s room for safekeeping, state police said.

The Illinois State Police said that at the time it was notified of the incident, Mr. Crimo hadn’t applied for a Firearm Owners Identification card, meaning there was no action to be taken. Mr. Crimo, then 19 years old, applied for a card a few months later in December, with his father signing as his sponsor because he was under 21. Since no charges had emerged from the earlier incident, “there was insufficient basis to establish a clear and present danger and deny the FOID application,” the agency said.

The state police said the agency had never received any reports from mental-health facilities or personnel that would have prevented the younger Mr. Crimo from receiving the card
 
I don't know. The kid was 22. At what point do the parents not matter. I am 58. My mom and dad are 78. If I go out and do some horrific act, should they be charged as well? I get it, to a degree if a 16 year old, living at home, did something. 22? not sure.
Read the news story Noodle posted.

The father did a fair amount more than just breathe air.
 
per my other post in the NRA thread


r. Covelli also discussed two prior incidents in which police had come into contact with Mr. Crimo.

Local police were informed in April 2019 that Mr. Crimo had attempted suicide and they responded to his home, learning that the incident was being handled by mental-health professionals, Mr. Covelli said.

In September 2019, police were called to Mr. Crimo’s home, where he was threatening to kill family members. Police at the time took possession of 16 knives, a dagger and a sword, Mr. Covelli said. At the time, there was no probable cause to arrest Mr. Crimo, he said, but officials did alert the state police about the incident, raising questions about the agency’s role in Mr. Crimo’s acquisition of firearms. The knives were later returned to Mr. Crimo’s father the same night after he told police that they belonged to him and were being stored in his son’s room for safekeeping, state police said.

The Illinois State Police said that at the time it was notified of the incident, Mr. Crimo hadn’t applied for a Firearm Owners Identification card, meaning there was no action to be taken. Mr. Crimo, then 19 years old, applied for a card a few months later in December, with his father signing as his sponsor because he was under 21. Since no charges had emerged from the earlier incident, “there was insufficient basis to establish a clear and present danger and deny the FOID application,” the agency said.

The state police said the agency had never received any reports from mental-health facilities or personnel that would have prevented the younger Mr. Crimo from receiving the card
Admittingly, I have not read up on this specific event, so there probably is much more that you know about it than me. I just know that there are situations where good parents, who have 3 really good kids, but one child is lost. i think if the parents really assisted him, then yea, maybe they should be held partially responsible. That may open up a big can of worms though.

Think of all the gang related activity. Think of all the absentee fathers. I don't know, it is a tough equation.
 
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I don't know. The kid was 22. At what point do the parents not matter. I am 58. My mom and dad are 78. If I go out and do some horrific act, should they be charged as well? I get it, to a degree if a 16 year old, living at home, did something. 22? not sure.

To be fair, he still lived with his parents. Not only that but his dad sponsored him for his gun permit application.

It would be different if he was 22 and living on his own and didn't need dad's assistance to get his gun permit.
 
I think err'body who hates guns and mass shootings should storm the jail and hang that sick little bastard.

Give him some substantive process to which he is due.

What say YOU?

Can you vigilant?

Will ya?

De-wall that jail, and send him on to hell.



I refuse to participate in a thread where the OP plays Toby Keith music.
 
From the article below, in reference to the dad's campaign for mayor in 2019:

Bob Crimo ran for mayor of the town in 2019, but it does not appear as though he was backed by any political party. Bob's slogan was 'A Person for the People'. He was defeated by the town's current mayor, Nancy Rotering. Bob said in a pre-election profile that he was the owner of two restaurants in the area, White Hen in Ravinia and Bob's Pantry & Deli in Braeside, Illinois. On the day of the Robb Elementary School massacre in Uvalde, Bob reportedly liked a tweet that read: "Protect the Second Amendment like your life depends on it."
 
the kid literally had mental issues and was taken out of public school for a while. That he was not only able to buy a gun, but that his parents endorsed it, is a failure of common sense.

I’m not defending the shooter, but rarely are mental psychos going to proactively prevent themselves from doing psychotic things. Others around them need to step up. The parents failed. They should be hanged. But I’d at least settle for life in prison
I agree it is a gross failure of common sense. Being a parent the hardest part of admitting your kid has issues is the admitting he/she has issues. Bad parents overlook the obvious and some try to use their buying or authorization to make things better for little Johnny, it definitely is a destructive way of thinking.

Do you feel the same about killings that happen daily in larger cities where kids are killing kids? I think it all translates back to the home and parents, there sure would be a lot of hangings.

IMO the destruction of the home is the biggest issue facing America and its youth.
 
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