Have watched several videos of Luke Brown
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Now the real question: are you old enough to have seen Rayl and Mount play in college?
I saw Mount on the black & white TV in the downstairs rec room in, I believe it was Foster Quad. I did not see Rayl to my knowledge. I never feared another "bomber" as much as Mount.
I want to see how a Brown does in AAU. He plays zero comp in high school
Now watch those videos and imagine he's not playing against junior high players.
He's been held back and strategically dropped levels of competition.
I don't even think Ball State has offered yet but they've been in to see him.
This summer is huge for him.
You can't diss his shooting.
I'm a little too young to remember Rayl's defense (was too enamored with scoring) but his shot was great but I do remember Mount being a great shooter that probably couldn't stop me more often than the chair that could at a 50% rate.
Mount was dangerous. As much a fan of Rayl as I am, Mount was objectively better as evidenced by his career shooting percentage of 48.3% to Rayl's 41.6%. Today's metrics would be able to break those numbers down by distance but my recollection is that Mount was money from deep and off the dribble. His 32+ PPG would obviously be higher with the 3-point line. He may have gotten more shots in close than Rayl and that may account for the better total shooting percentage. I'll let some historian go back and chart all the games to prove or disprove that.
But if there's a kid out there who can bomb like Mount you have to give him some serious consideration.
Rayl brought the ball back behind his head farther than Langford does and you would not teach that style today, think old school Larry bird
I went to Kokomo HS with Rayl. He did not bring the ball behind his head to shoot. Very quick release. Best outside shooter in Indiana hs history. Most of his shots came from the 25+ foot range. I saw every game Rayl played in HS and most of his college games. It was determined by experts he would have had 96 pts each in the IU games where he scored 56 had the 3 point shot been in effect!!
My dad was the head scout for Joe Platt at Kokomo HS during the Jimmy Rayl era. Rayl shot mostly 25+ foot shots with consistent accuracy. Kokomo played Lebanon at Kokomo during Mount's senior year. My dad had Kokomo's best defender, Raleigh Grady, guard Mount the entire game. The plan was to force Mount to his left. The result: Mount scored 9 (9!!!) Points.
I am an old-timer, even older than Knightfan2 and I would agree with him that Jimmy Rayl is by far the the greatest outside shooter in Indiana high school history. I was a manager during two of his IU years. At IU, just after crossing the ten second line, he would many times let it fly and score.
Rayl was not afraid to put the ball up. I heard a funny story recently about Tom Bolyard, his IU team mate. Bolyard said had they kept assist stats in his day, he would have the IU record. He said he would pass the ball to Rayl and Rayl would shoot.
Nothing to do with his shooting, but I also remember Rayl having red elbows and knees during both practice and at games as he wasn't afraid to go to the deck for loose balls.
Sorry to learn of this recent passing.
Rayl was not afraid to put the ball up. I heard a funny story recently about Tom Bolyard, his IU team mate. Bolyard said had they kept assist stats in his day, he would have the IU record. He said he would pass the ball to Rayl and Rayl would shoot.
Nothing to do with his shooting, but I also remember Rayl having red elbows and knees during both practice and at games as he wasn't afraid to go to the deck for loose balls.
Sorry to learn of this recent passing.
Great stories and reflection! I thought you were making a joke about Bolyard, saying he would've gotten assists by inbounding to Rayl who would bring it up and shoot at half court.
Were many other guys in that era shooting from that kind of distance/range? Good to hear stories of some of he past Hoosier greats.
The problem is, he'll play against zero defense in AAU. This is every AAU game ever - "We run and shoot, wait for you to run and shoot, then we run and shoot again". Get beat, no big deal - there's another game in half an hour.
Brown's a talented kid. What level he plays at in college will depend on how he develops physically. Kids of average size and athletic ability can play at the highest level if they develop multiple ways to score. Alford could catch and shoot, dribble to a pull-up shot, and score on you at the rim off the dribble. He worked hard to build strength and endurance and he was physically and mentally tough. If this kid is willing and able to do all those things in the next two years, he can play in the B1G. If you can shoot it, there's always a place for you.
I agree with you on AAU. It has done more harm than good for team ball when you factor everything in.
This doesn't add up. 3 point shots count as only 1 more point than a shot inside the arc or any shot before the 3-pointer was added. So if the 3-pointer would've increase a player's point total by 40 points that means he would've had to have hit 40 of them. 40 2-pointers is 80 points, not 56. And that's assuming there were no FT points.
Did you type that number incorrectly? Is it 76 points instead of 96?
What a fun thread to read...thanks to all the ‘old timers’ for sharing the memories with us younger IU fans! Hope to pass along stories of Fife, Haston, Coverdale and Hornsby, Jeffries, Newton, Sheehey, Watford, Zeller, Hulls, Oladipo, Morgan, Romeo, and on w such nostalgia in time...
To say there isn't any defense in AAU is a big myth.
Guarentee you kids will find out the hoopla behind Brown. And work their a$$ of to shut him down.
If he hooks up with Indiana Elite or some other big time team...He'll see some real athletes up on him.
It'll be interesting to see how he responds.
I'm looking forward to watching him. In a tournament down here in the south next December.
Guarentee you kids will find out the hoopla behind Brown. And work their a$$ of to shut him down.
If he hooks up with Indiana Elite or some other big time team...He'll see some real athletes up on him.
It'll be interesting to see how he responds.
I'm looking forward to watching him. In a tournament down here in the south next December.
and he caught a 30 lb bass out of the Jordan River after both games. (different ones, not the same fish twice).
being there's no film or tape, not sure how they determined that 96 point thing.
or the fact that that's mathematically impossible, even if every basket was a three.
no doubt would have been considerably more than 56 though.
i loved the 17 st field house.
guessing The HPER was an even better venue.
a little later, but Pete Maravich didn't feel the need to be much past half court.
Mount played with Billy Keller at PU.
imagine a 3 point line for that duo.
too bad for PU that their best team ever was during the Alcindor era.
Speaking of that, the greatest single "bombing" performance by an opponent I can recall was when Shawn Respert dropped 40 on IU at Assembly Hall in 95. There was no one out there who was going to stop him from scoring. IU still walked out with a win, but Respert got a huge ovation leaving the court.
i doubt there is film of every game each of them played to chart or prove anything with mathematical certainty
head scout? as in the head of a team of scouts for a high school? or was kokomo's mascot some sort of indian?
zero shots inside 20? 28 field goals from distance and 12 free throws exactly in multiple games where he scored 56 points for iu? how many games was that? sorry, a nice story but i'm going to have to call bs. lol. i bet he had to trudge through 3 feet of snow from the dorm to the fieldhouse before each game. too.
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Trey Galloway is overrated. Tom Coverdale was 10 times better a high school player.I agree with Leal,Lander,Blackmon and Brown.It has been stated that Brown doesn't play any competition. I grew up with Larry Bird. Springs Valley was a class A school. We never faced any competition except Loogootee and Washington either. He turned out,well need I say more. Not comparing a short guard to Bird . Just pointing out the competition argument.If a kid is good,he's good.Shooters are hard to come by in today's game. Everyone wants to drive and dunk.
He has several things going for him, no matter the competition he’s been facing.
1. You can see he has great hand-eye coordination, a great handle with either hand, and great vision, with his head up on a swivel when’s he handling it.
2. He really advanced physically from his freshman year to sophomore year. Bigger and stronger. I wouldn’t be surprised if he eventually grew to 6:2-6:3 and added another 25-35 lbs.
3. From every report, he’s a gym rat who wants to get better and better.
4. A great natural shooter from the field and the line. He has some stuff that can’t be coached. You either have it or you don’t. He has it.
