Has anybody found a missing backbone?

[CO. Hoosier]

Uncle Sam has lost his.

The map shows the impact of the ongoing Houthi attacks on in the Rec Sea, The Houthi’s and their Iranian supporters have effectively shut down the Suez Canal. The diverted ships are shown in Orange.

Our response? We are really really mad, and if the bad guys don’t stop doing bad things we might get madder.

Here is our statement about these attacks. It reads like a product of a Junior High class in Wokeville USA.

A Joint Statement from the Governments of the United States, Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Singapore, and the United Kingdom | The White House

Recognizing the broad consensus as expressed by 44 countries around the world on December 19, 2023, as well as the statement by the UN Security Council on December 1, 2023, condemning Houthi attacks against commercial vessels transiting the Red Sea, and in light of ongoing attacks, including a...

www.whitehouse.gov

The money quote:

Let our message now be clear: we call for the immediate end of these illegal attacks and release of unlawfully detained vessels and crews. The Houthis will bear the responsibility of the consequences should they continue to threaten lives, the global economy, and free flow of commerce in the region’s critical waterways. We remain committed to the international rules-based order and are determined to hold malign actors accountable for unlawful seizures and attacks.​

​

When DJT personally spoke with Baradar about our withdrawal from Afghanistan, some reports suggest Trump punctuated the deal by threatening Baradar‘s home village and his home— a war crime. This was after Trump dropped a Hellfire on Qasem Soleimani, an act Biden insisted was a war crime. But both worked. Attacks on the US stopped after Iran immediate convulsed action. That’s Backbone.

Back to the Red Sea. Houthi attacks have been going on for months. We only sank a couple of small boats and shot down a few missiles and drones, spending much more than the targets were worth. Meanwhile, shipping in international waters is diverted and costs go up and the US looks and acts like a paper tiger. The Biden Adminstration is clearly not up to the challenge Iran and it’s surrogates present. This wil only encourage more chaos and violence.

If we are indeed the superpower and leader of the free world we claim to be, we need a backbone.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Uncle Sam has lost his.

The map shows the impact of the ongoing Houthi attacks on in the Rec Sea, The Houthi’s and their Iranian supporters have effectively shut down the Suez Canal. The diverted ships are shown in Orange.

Our response? We are really really mad, and if the bad guys don’t stop doing bad things we might get madder.

Here is our statement about these attacks. It reads like a product of a Junior High class in Wokeville USA.

A Joint Statement from the Governments of the United States, Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Singapore, and the United Kingdom | The White House

Recognizing the broad consensus as expressed by 44 countries around the world on December 19, 2023, as well as the statement by the UN Security Council on December 1, 2023, condemning Houthi attacks against commercial vessels transiting the Red Sea, and in light of ongoing attacks, including a...

www.whitehouse.gov

The money quote:

Let our message now be clear: we call for the immediate end of these illegal attacks and release of unlawfully detained vessels and crews. The Houthis will bear the responsibility of the consequences should they continue to threaten lives, the global economy, and free flow of commerce in the region’s critical waterways. We remain committed to the international rules-based order and are determined to hold malign actors accountable for unlawful seizures and attacks.​

​

When DJT personally spoke with Baradar about our withdrawal from Afghanistan, some reports suggest Trump punctuated the deal be threatening Baradar‘s home village and his home— a war crime. This was after Trump dropped a Hellfire on Qasem Soleimani, an act Biden insisted was a war crime. But both worked. Attacks on the US stopped after Iran immediate convulsed action. That’s Backbone.

Back to the Red Sea. Houthi attacks have been going on for months. We only sank a couple of small boats and shot down a few missiles and drones, spending much more than the targets were worth. Meanwhile, shipping in international waters is diverted and costs go up and the US looks and acts like a paper tiger. The Biden Adminstration is clearly not up to the challenge Iran and it’s surrogates present. This wil only encourage more chaos and violence.

If we are indeed the superpower and leader of the free world we claim to be, we need a backbone.

Insane to think of the harmony we had when kush was advising. Djt was up for a nobel peace prize. Now they just treat Biden like an old doormat

 

[Univee2]

Uncle Sam has lost his.

The map shows the impact of the ongoing Houthi attacks on in the Rec Sea, The Houthi’s and their Iranian supporters have effectively shut down the Suez Canal. The diverted ships are shown in Orange.

Our response? We are really really mad, and if the bad guys don’t stop doing bad things we might get madder.

Here is our statement about these attacks. It reads like a product of a Junior High class in Wokeville USA.

A Joint Statement from the Governments of the United States, Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Singapore, and the United Kingdom | The White House

Recognizing the broad consensus as expressed by 44 countries around the world on December 19, 2023, as well as the statement by the UN Security Council on December 1, 2023, condemning Houthi attacks against commercial vessels transiting the Red Sea, and in light of ongoing attacks, including a...

www.whitehouse.gov

The money quote:

Let our message now be clear: we call for the immediate end of these illegal attacks and release of unlawfully detained vessels and crews. The Houthis will bear the responsibility of the consequences should they continue to threaten lives, the global economy, and free flow of commerce in the region’s critical waterways. We remain committed to the international rules-based order and are determined to hold malign actors accountable for unlawful seizures and attacks.​

​

When DJT personally spoke with Baradar about our withdrawal from Afghanistan, some reports suggest Trump punctuated the deal by threatening Baradar‘s home village and his home— a war crime. This was after Trump dropped a Hellfire on Qasem Soleimani, an act Biden insisted was a war crime. But both worked. Attacks on the US stopped after Iran immediate convulsed action. That’s Backbone.

Back to the Red Sea. Houthi attacks have been going on for months. We only sank a couple of small boats and shot down a few missiles and drones, spending much more than the targets were worth. Meanwhile, shipping in international waters is diverted and costs go up and the US looks and acts like a paper tiger. The Biden Adminstration is clearly not up to the challenge Iran and it’s surrogates present. This wil only encourage more chaos and violence.

If we are indeed the superpower and leader of the free world we claim to be, we need a backbone.

Yeah, but this time we really mean it. We’re not kidding here. We’re completely serious. We’ll do something. You just watch.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

We only sank a couple of small boats and shot down a few missiles and drones, spending much more than the targets were worth.

It really took you this long to find a way to turn this into a negative? You're usually a lot quicker with this bullshit.

 

[UncleMark]

The map shows the impact of the ongoing Houthi attacks on in the Rec Sea, The Houthi’s and their Iranian supporters have effectively shut down the Suez Canal. The diverted ships are shown in Orange.

I see a bunch of Orange in the Red Sea. How are those being diverted?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

It really took you this long to find a way to turn this into a negative? You're usually a lot quicker with this bullshit.

I talk about world events and you talk about me.

Carry on.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I talk about world events and you talk about me.

Carry on.

I'm just worried you've lost a step is all.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

I'm just worried you've lost a step is all.

He’s kind of the Joe Biden of the WC.

 

[GigGoo]

I wonder how those Houthi pirates must’ve felt when they were sitting there in their inflatable dingy staring down the barrel of an MH-60.

Had to have been terrifying.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I wonder how those Houthi pirates must’ve felt when they were sitting there in their inflatable dingy staring down the barrel of an MH-60.

Had to have been terrifying.

I’m the captain now

 

[Ladoga]

It really took you this long to find a way to turn this into a negative? You're usually a lot quicker with this bullshit.

Do you think it was a positive at any time since the first Houti boat with 3 or 4 pirates aboard approached any ship in that area? This crap has been a negative since the first encounter. Those pirates and the Iranian suppliers funding them are evil people and deserve much more severe retaliation than the finger waging you side has become famous for.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Do you think it was a positive at any time since the first Houti boat with 3 or 4 pirates aboard approached any ship in that area? This crap has been a negative since the first encounter. Those pirates and the Iranian suppliers funding them are evil people and deserve much more severe retaliation than the finger waging you side has become famous for.

I think we all agreed sinking their boats and killing their crews was a positive.

 

[Ladoga]

I think we all agreed sinking their boats and killing their crews was a positive.

Sink a couple of Iranian tankers and send them a satellite photo of their nuclear facility or military command center without comment.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I think we all agreed sinking their boats and killing their crews was a positive.

Of course it’s a positive. So what?

Shooting down a Japanese dive bomber at Pearl Harbor was a positive too.

 

[GigGoo]

Sink a couple of Iranian tankers and send them a satellite photo of their nuclear facility or military command center without comment.

My understanding in the Iranian nuclear facilities are now pretty deep underground and can't be destroyed by air strike.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Of course it’s a positive. So what?

So some of you have a very difficult time recognizing that.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

So some of you have a very difficult time recognizing that.

It really depends on the context.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Missing in the discussion, the Saudis who have been fighting the Houthis are wanting us to stay out.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/edge-over-red-sea-attacks-riyadh-seeks-contain-fall-out-2023-12-06/

The Houthis are threatening to attack Saudi and UAE oil if attacked. Those are two countries we have close relations with. If the Saudis think they can talk them down, do we go with our ally (such as they are)?

Analysis: Is the Houthi threat to world order worse than the war on Gaza?

In economic and security calcualtions, the world is pragmatically less concerned with war on Gaza than with shipping.

www.google.com

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Missing in the discussion, the Saudis who have been fighting the Houthis are wanting us to stay out.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/edge-over-red-sea-attacks-riyadh-seeks-contain-fall-out-2023-12-06/

The Houthis are threatening to attack Saudi and UAE oil if attacked. Those are two countries we have close relations with. If the Saudis think they can talk them down, do we go with our ally (such as they are)?

Analysis: Is the Houthi threat to world order worse than the war on Gaza?

In economic and security calcualtions, the world is pragmatically less concerned with war on Gaza than with shipping.

www.google.com

First they have already attacked Saudi oil facilities.

Second we tell the Houthis that any disruptive attacks will result in dead Houthi leaders.

Third, we re-impose Trump-era sanctions on Iran and stop the sanctions relief nonsense..

Our lack of backbone strengthens the Houthis.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

First they have already attacked Saudi oil facilities.

Second we tell the Houthis that any disruptive attacks will result in dead Houthi leaders.

Third, we re-impose Trump-era sanctions on Iran and stop the sanctions relief nonsense..

Our lack of backbone strengthens the Houthis.

So why do the Saudis want us to stay out? They aren't the only ones, Google fears of escalation. A lot of the ME wants to contain this. Frankly put, I don't think the Saudis want to be seen as fighting alongside Americans. There are a lot of crazies in Saudi Arabis (and Jordan, and Egypt).

By the way, the same backbone some show in telling Putin he can have what he wants in central Europe?

 

[BradStevens]

My understanding in the Iranian nuclear facilities are now pretty deep underground and can't be destroyed by air strike.

Uh, clearly you haven't seen Maverick.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Uh, clearly you haven't seen Maverick.

So maverick was better than Barbie but it too was overhyped. Tho I’m totally into the retro and was pumped about it. I made my daughter watch the original then we saw it at the theatre. Loved the new cobra Kai first few seasons too. Season one was simply outstanding

 

[BradStevens]

So maverick was better than Barbie but it too was overhyped. Tho I’m totally into the retro and was pumped about it. I made my daughter watch the original then we saw it at the theatre. Loved the new cobra Kai first few seasons too. Season one was simply outstanding

Maverick was a much, much, much more enjoyable film than Barbie.

It was ridiculous, manipulative, and derivative. But I had a great time and it gave me the feelz.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Maverick was a much, much, much more enjoyable film than Barbie.

It was ridiculous, manipulative, and derivative. But I had a great time and it gave me the feelz.

Spot on

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Uh, clearly you haven't seen Maverick.

Who needs Maverick?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

So why do the Saudis want us to stay out?

I don’t know. Does it matter? If we had a Kush and Pompeo on board, I don’t think SA would be an issue.

By the way, the same backbone some show in telling Putin he can have what he wants in central Europe?

Odessa and Ukranian grain exports are where our interests should be. I don’t buy the Putin domino theory Biden keeps yapping about. So far, Putin has kept hands off Odessa. I’d like to think Biden sent a message about that. Biden hasn’t put a show of force in the Black Sea though.

 

[zeke4ahs]

I loved Maverick too. They both gave me the feelz

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I loved Maverick too. They both gave me the feelz

Me too. But I think different feelz.

BTW, if you liked Maverick, you’d love 633 squadron.

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[BradStevens]

Me too. But I think different feelz.

BTW, if you liked Maverick, you’d love 633 squadron.

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I'm in. Know if it's streaming anywhere?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I don’t know. Does it matter? If we had a Kush and Pompeo on board, I don’t think SA would be an issue.


Odessa and Ukranian grain exports are where our interests should be. I don’t buy the Putin domino theory Biden keeps yapping about. So far, Putin has kept hands off Odessa. I’d like to think Biden sent a message about that. Biden hasn’t put a show of force in the Black Sea though.

You said in the Russian thread you don't buy the domino theory. They have staged attacks on Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine and taken from each. I don't know what more would be required to be dominos.

We work with our regional allies as much as we can. If they really want us to keep our powder dry we need to have reasons to ignore that. That day may come. But I am willing to bet the Saudis know more what is happening than us. After all, they have been already fighting the Houthis. They are in the area. A wild guess, no Muslim country wants to be seen as working with the Americans to attack other Muslims. It could be destabilizing to our various allies

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Me too. But I think different feelz.

BTW, if you liked Maverick, you’d love 633 squadron.

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Also the movie Dam Busters is close. Peter Jackson was going to remake the story but some other projects got in the way. The raid in Dam Busters was real, though some of the tertiary stuff was not. The squadron commander embellished his great command style.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I'm in. Know if it's streaming anywhere?

No. But it’s a good movie.

The Mosquitoes were a helluva airplane.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

We work with our regional allies as much as we can.

Agreed. I think we can, and should, convince them to be more aggressive with Iran and the Houthis. The passive nature flowing from our escalation obsession is counterproductive.

 

[UncleMark]

I'm in. Know if it's streaming anywhere?

Amazon Prime and Tubi, per Google.

633 squadron - Google Search

 

[Ladoga]

My understanding in the Iranian nuclear facilities are now pretty deep underground and can't be destroyed by air strike.

I thought probably so BUT. OK lets seal them inside. Close their approaches. Render their movement impossible. We could do a lot of things to Iran. Maybe just reimposing the sanctions that Biden doesn't enforce which had Iran broke at the end of the last administration. Those sanctions still exist. They'd work like they did. The appeasers who do the puppet show with Biden ignore those sanctions or falsely claim to be enforcing them.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Uncle Sam has lost his.

The map shows the impact of the ongoing Houthi attacks on in the Rec Sea, The Houthi’s and their Iranian supporters have effectively shut down the Suez Canal. The diverted ships are shown in Orange.

Our response? We are really really mad, and if the bad guys don’t stop doing bad things we might get madder.

Here is our statement about these attacks. It reads like a product of a Junior High class in Wokeville USA.

A Joint Statement from the Governments of the United States, Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Singapore, and the United Kingdom | The White House

Recognizing the broad consensus as expressed by 44 countries around the world on December 19, 2023, as well as the statement by the UN Security Council on December 1, 2023, condemning Houthi attacks against commercial vessels transiting the Red Sea, and in light of ongoing attacks, including a...

www.whitehouse.gov

The money quote:

Let our message now be clear: we call for the immediate end of these illegal attacks and release of unlawfully detained vessels and crews. The Houthis will bear the responsibility of the consequences should they continue to threaten lives, the global economy, and free flow of commerce in the region’s critical waterways. We remain committed to the international rules-based order and are determined to hold malign actors accountable for unlawful seizures and attacks.​

​

When DJT personally spoke with Baradar about our withdrawal from Afghanistan, some reports suggest Trump punctuated the deal by threatening Baradar‘s home village and his home— a war crime. This was after Trump dropped a Hellfire on Qasem Soleimani, an act Biden insisted was a war crime. But both worked. Attacks on the US stopped after Iran immediate convulsed action. That’s Backbone.

Back to the Red Sea. Houthi attacks have been going on for months. We only sank a couple of small boats and shot down a few missiles and drones, spending much more than the targets were worth. Meanwhile, shipping in international waters is diverted and costs go up and the US looks and acts like a paper tiger. The Biden Adminstration is clearly not up to the challenge Iran and it’s surrogates present. This wil only encourage more chaos and violence.

If we are indeed the superpower and leader of the free world we claim to be, we need a backbone.

Didn’t Obama and Biden give Iran like 6 billion each? How much does a Houti attack cost on the radical Islam black market?

 

[IU_Hickory]

Uncle Sam has lost his.

The map shows the impact of the ongoing Houthi attacks on in the Rec Sea, The Houthi’s and their Iranian supporters have effectively shut down the Suez Canal. The diverted ships are shown in Orange.

Our response? We are really really mad, and if the bad guys don’t stop doing bad things we might get madder.

Here is our statement about these attacks. It reads like a product of a Junior High class in Wokeville USA.

A Joint Statement from the Governments of the United States, Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Singapore, and the United Kingdom | The White House

Recognizing the broad consensus as expressed by 44 countries around the world on December 19, 2023, as well as the statement by the UN Security Council on December 1, 2023, condemning Houthi attacks against commercial vessels transiting the Red Sea, and in light of ongoing attacks, including a...

www.whitehouse.gov

The money quote:

Let our message now be clear: we call for the immediate end of these illegal attacks and release of unlawfully detained vessels and crews. The Houthis will bear the responsibility of the consequences should they continue to threaten lives, the global economy, and free flow of commerce in the region’s critical waterways. We remain committed to the international rules-based order and are determined to hold malign actors accountable for unlawful seizures and attacks.​

​

When DJT personally spoke with Baradar about our withdrawal from Afghanistan, some reports suggest Trump punctuated the deal by threatening Baradar‘s home village and his home— a war crime. This was after Trump dropped a Hellfire on Qasem Soleimani, an act Biden insisted was a war crime. But both worked. Attacks on the US stopped after Iran immediate convulsed action. That’s Backbone.

Back to the Red Sea. Houthi attacks have been going on for months. We only sank a couple of small boats and shot down a few missiles and drones, spending much more than the targets were worth. Meanwhile, shipping in international waters is diverted and costs go up and the US looks and acts like a paper tiger. The Biden Adminstration is clearly not up to the challenge Iran and it’s surrogates present. This wil only encourage more chaos and violence.

If we are indeed the superpower and leader of the free world we claim to be, we need a backbone.

So what backbone are republicans showing when they want to let putin have his way in Ukraine?

Maybe North Korea would assist if Biden would just salute their generals lol

Your best case scenario in this thread is hypocrite

 

[IU_Hickory]

Didn’t Obama and Biden give Iran like 6 billion each? How much does a Houti attack cost on the radical Islam black market?

No. I am guessing you are referring to unfreezing Iran's assets. That is not the same as giving them money. It was their money to begin with

 

[IU_Hickory]

Never saw barbie as that didn't look the least bit interesting. Maverick was pretty for a sequel.

 

[hookyIU1990]

No. I an guessing you are referring to unfreezing Iran's assets. That is not the same as giving them money. It was their money to begin with

I assumed he was talking about the cash given to them during the Obama/Biden administration, but when I looked it up it was only 1.7B. He must be including the assets that were freed up.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-400-million-cash/index.html