Goodbye Carlyle
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The only mistake was Mike Woodson!
100%
What he sold these players on and the reality of the style of play and the development of their skills did not get close to the sales pitch.
He averaged 4 pts per game and only scored in double figures 3 times. OMG, what a classic Woody special he was. Seemed to have some talent but kept it on the closet this is past season.
Every time he had the ball, you know it was going up...good look or not.
The late entry indicates he was sent there. It will be tough for him to find Indiana money elsewhere but good luck
Worst free throw percentage on a bad free throw shooting team.
Just clean house and start fresh
wonder if some of this could be simply, you are welcome to stay BUT you are taking a pay cut.
Sweeping that floor clean of a failed 4 years. I think it was more like your fired. And how much they got paid for what they did is disgusting. That goes for the "retired" "coach" also. What has happened over the last couple of weeks is the biggest victory of the season. Happy days are right around the corner.
All of these guys were way overpaid.
Who was better after Woodson?
Hunter was pretty much the same. Phin was the same. Lander had one season under Woodson, right? He never became good. At least Galloway and Leal got a pinch better. Maybe the same progression as Lander. Who got better after they left IU?
You don't know much about college bball do you?
The best to leave was Bates and he never met expectations to his potential. Although bricking a layup for his final shot in his last college game was a great homage to his 0-13 shooting effort in the '23 tournament.
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People want to point at Bates and Gunn as improving, but they both took a step down in competition that accounts for a chunk of that.
I will alway remember and treasure Carlyle for his ingenious half court alley oop that just happened to go in by mistake.
The one shot he didn’t even intend to make went in while all the shots where he was actually trying to score were pure clunkers.
The red flags were there all along. A kid from a crappy team comes in and we all expect him to be some dominant force.
The one shot he didn’t even intend to make went in while all the shots where he was actually trying to score were pure clunkers.
The red flags were there all along. A kid from a crappy team comes in and we all expect him to be some dominant force.
Bates took a step down in competition? The SEC and selection committee may want to have a word with you about that.
isn’t this how it’s been the past few seasons? This year‘s team was a shoe in for top 20 and everybody’s preseason expectations. I can’t remember the last time Indiana overachieved in basketball.
In the NBA? I'd hope he got better after he became a professional.
I think the poster's claim was that players got better after they transferred out from IU. Can't think of any, other than Bates, who's usage is very different at Missou.
You might have been right the first time. Missouri, no matter what, is a step down from IU…At least it was when he made the decision. They’re a year removed from going 0-18 in their conference. Competition level could also mean in practices, playing time, etc…
ehhh. I get what you're saying, but Mizzou is a P5 program with some history, and in the SEC. You have a tough time covincing me he was seeing lesser players/opponents at Mizzou than at IU. Not so tough to convince me of that at DePaul or Tulane. Bates earned his props.
IMO Carlyle couldn't leave fast enough. He must have been out of town, which delayed his announcement. I am guessing he didn't have a choice. How he ever scored 30 points or more in a Pac12 game last year is beyond me.
Of course he did. Both can be true. And it obviously evolved when he got there. There were obvious roster issues when he committed there...they were destined for an 0-18 season SEC season, after all. Both programs were coming off pretty good overall seasons...but IU was, for sure, on more solid ground at the time. We weren't very good that year (Tamar probably would have helped with that), but we weren't anywhere near as inept as Mizzou was. Obviously they righted the ship well...their turnaround was spectacular when you dig in to it. And Tamar was a huge part of that.
Obviously very possible this is just IU bias coming out...but it sure seemed like he was going to a "lesser program", to become more of a focal point, when he chose Mizzou. I would be surprised if that sentiment wasn't shared by more than just IU fans, too.
I was hoping he could atleast average 6-7ppg when he got here. Crazy how so many expected so much more from him.
