Good News: Last Year

[Thcgh]

They are coordinating high-profile discussions to buy him out. If this is “Nonsense” to you then your starting point is outside the realm of common sense solutions. The fact that these discussions are happening should not be a surprise to anyone, including the most robust CMW fan. Replacements like this are started with discussions amongst the leadership and donor base. Nothing about this process is nonsense.

Matta as the solution is laughable. How’s Butler doing in conference?

 

[kurt cloverdales]

I don't think there's any writing on the walls...yet. Woodson, if nothing else, has shown himself and his teams and program at IU to be resilient. I don't know what the "keep him" win total is, or what they'd have to start playing like, but I seriously doubt Dolson, Buckner, whoever is making this decision...I doubt they've even come close to making it yet. And if that's true, I suspect Woodson is more than capable of "doing enough" to save his job at this point.

resilient, when? maybe his 1st year in the big tournament. he has managed to coach talented roster to at best bubble teams. gets his ass kicked every time in out of conference games. he's done, if this team goes 12-8 in the big, I would be shocked.

 

[ndhuntington]

Money is not a problem they can even do lump sums of 1 million till it's paid off. Matta I would take I would like to see if Beard would be interested but if it's Matta I would support it he recruits the state very well just a few names he landed at Ohio Sate.

Greg Oden, Mike Conley, JaQuan Lyle, Walter Offutt, Deshaun Thomas, Musa Jallow.

 

[GThomas]

I don't think there's any writing on the walls...yet. Woodson, if nothing else, has shown himself and his teams and program at IU to be resilient. I don't know what the "keep him" win total is, or what they'd have to start playing like, but I seriously doubt Dolson, Buckner, whoever is making this decision...I doubt they've even come close to making it yet. And if that's true, I suspect Woodson is more than capable of "doing enough" to save his job at this point.

I dunno. After Archie got whipped by Indiana State in his debut, I said, "Oh shit" ... and it turned out to be four seasons of "oh shit"

Anyhow, there have to be bigger fish willing to come to Bloomington. That's my hope, anyway.

 

[HillzHoozier]

Agreed, please no Schertz.

No Shrews.
No Schertz.
No Dice.

 

[Pryght]

Saw this posted OTOB...

 

[birdforbogey]

resilient, when? maybe his 1st year in the big tournament. he has managed to coach talented roster to at best bubble teams. gets his ass kicked every time in out of conference games. he's done, if this team goes 12-8 in the big, I would be shocked.

All aboard!!!!!!!

 

[IUNorth]

resilient, when? maybe his 1st year in the big tournament. he has managed to coach talented roster to at best bubble teams. gets his ass kicked every time in out of conference games. he's done, if this team goes 12-8 in the big, I would be shocked.

I would say in each of his first three seasons they’ve rallied a bit at the end of the season to salvage “decent” years. First year they won some games coming home then had a decent BTT run. 2nd year they pushed well at the end to finish 2nd or 3rd in conference, won an NCAA game, etc… Last year wasn’t as good. But it was beyond toxic with a few weeks to go and somehow the mood improved as the year ended.

 

[Battimi]

People complain about Woodson's pedestrian offense but want Chris Beard as a coach. smdh ...

Well again…you are not listening. People are complaining about Woodson losing.

 

[Indiana_1993]

there will be discussions to buy him out is obvious. I don't think he has any support left at all. the nonsense is Matta

Agreed 100%.

 

[Al Bino]

Logic is telling me that he'll need to make the tourney, but also have some "juice" going within the program. As practically, this offseason he probably needs a contract extension, or he needs let go. His contract is up in a couple years, they can't leave him with only a year or so left on his contract at seasons end. I would think, if we were to limp in to the NCAA tournament, and flame out, that likely wouldn't be enough for him to keep his job.

I do think this team has a decent chance of making the tourney. And I think there's a decent chance the perception for those that matter in this decision, is that there would be juice in the program. And I could see Woodson getting a small extension, with similar buyout terms to what the last contract redrafting had. Essentially giving him a few more years, but making the buyout relatively easy to navigate.

12-8 regular season, win over Purdue, couple BTT wins, an NCAA first round win... Some of the key guys committing to return, I think that's a path for Woodson to return and get a modest extension.

NOT saying I agree with that, just saying that's a very plausible scenario.

Is an extension needed in the portal, NIL atmosphere?
Since he doesn't get many HS kids, don't have to worry about if coach is going to be there all four years!

 

[.Gerdis]

Is an extension needed in the portal, NIL atmosphere?
Since he doesn't get many HS kids, don't have to worry about if coach is going to be there all four years!

I would guess it depends mostly on what the player (HS, portal) values in his decision. Would you guess that wanting to play for Woodson was an important component in why the players we have signed with us?

 

[ams66]

I would guess it depends mostly on what the player (HS, portal) values in his decision. Would you guess that wanting to play for Woodson was an important component in why the players we have signed with us?

Woodson has sent some guys to the NBA, and probably has good contacts. Despite his college teams as a whole not achieving anything, if that's what a player is looking for, they might consider that.

 

[kurt cloverdales]

I would say in each of his first three seasons they’ve rallied a bit at the end of the season to salvage “decent” years. First year they won some games coming home then had a decent BTT run. 2nd year they pushed well at the end to finish 2nd or 3rd in conference, won an NCAA game, etc… Last year wasn’t as good. But it was beyond toxic with a few weeks to go and somehow the mood improved as the year ended.

northwestern likes decent seasons

 

[CriticArisen]

Woodson has sent some guys to the NBA, and probably has good contacts. Despite his college teams as a whole not achieving anything, if that's what a player is looking for, they might consider that.

Only player with a smidgen of success thus far is TJD and Woodson owes him more than TJD owes Woodson.

 

[sobester]

The days of coaches salivating over traditional basketball schools is so 2005.

 

[IUNorth]

northwestern likes decent seasons

I get that...and agree. Just stating some things that I see as realistic ways that IU decides Woodson can and should remain our coach at year's end. Seeing lots of "writing is on the wall"...and "foregone conclusion" type stuff. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't. I'd personally be shocked if that's true at this point. The verdict is still out, I'm sure. And that means Woodson could "earn" his way to a contract extension...despite what all us experts on here think.

 

[RegionHoosiers]

Is an extension needed in the portal, NIL atmosphere?
Since he doesn't get many HS kids, don't have to worry about if coach is going to be there all four years!

HS kids don't need to stay more than a year or so either

 

[.Gerdis]

I get that...and agree. Just stating some things that I see as realistic ways that IU decides Woodson can and should remain our coach at year's end. Seeing lots of "writing is on the wall"...and "foregone conclusion" type stuff. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't. I'd personally be shocked if that's true at this point. The verdict is still out, I'm sure. And that means Woodson could "earn" his way to a contract extension...despite what all us experts on here think.

There was a thread a few months ago with preseason expectations. The bar has slipped so far that what many thought was a worse case scenario back then is now being labeled as a ceiling that is impossible to break through.

So, yeah, I see why you might think an extension is still in the cards.

 

[Al Bino]

I get that...and agree. Just stating some things that I see as realistic ways that IU decides Woodson can and should remain our coach at year's end. Seeing lots of "writing is on the wall"...and "foregone conclusion" type stuff. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't. I'd personally be shocked if that's true at this point. The verdict is still out, I'm sure. And that means Woodson could "earn" his way to a contract extension...despite what all us experts on here think.

I guess whether is a foregone conclusion might depend on who is making the decision.
If the prolific rumors were true last year and SD wanted to can him then, IMO, it would take one hell of a season for SD to change his mind.
That is IF he is the one that has the power.

 

[IUNorth]

There was a thread a few months ago with preseason expectations. The bar has slipped so far that what many thought was a worse case scenario back then is now being labeled as a ceiling that is impossible to break through.

So, yeah, I see why you might think an extension is still in the cards.

Is that not reality though? And I've said a bunch of times now, I don't necessarily agree with it. I'll take it further, I would like for him to be let go, even IF they do rally and win a B10 title, and make a tournament run. Kevin Ollie won a national title at UConn. Mike Davis made the final game at IU. In my opinion, Woodson isn't the long term answer at IU, at a crucial time in our program, no matter what he does the rest of this year.

But, obviously, there are key decision makers at IU that don't share that opinion.

 

[Al Bino]

I would guess it depends mostly on what the player (HS, portal) values in his decision. Would you guess that wanting to play for Woodson was an important component in why the players we have signed with us?

Who knows? Now days the $$ could be the major factor.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

I talked to a very good friend who is pushing hard (financially) to make this CMW’s last year. Word is Thad Matta is on the short list. They are now gaining consensus from IU alumni.

NOT MATTA...!

 

[kurt cloverdales]

I get that...and agree. Just stating some things that I see as realistic ways that IU decides Woodson can and should remain our coach at year's end. Seeing lots of "writing is on the wall"...and "foregone conclusion" type stuff. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't. I'd personally be shocked if that's true at this point. The verdict is still out, I'm sure. And that means Woodson could "earn" his way to a contract extension...despite what all us experts on here think.

normally a 6th place finish in the big guarantees you a tourney invite, but last years out of conference we were getting blown out by good teams squeaking by crap teams that cost us a bid, so you think he would learn, nope he took a team to the Bahamas that was about as unprepared as any team I've ever seen. he simply is not a good coach, and this year needs to be his last

 

[sobester]

You guys are in your final years of Cal stage we just escaped.

 

[IUNorth]

normally a 6th place finish in the big guarantees you a tourney invite, but last years out of conference we were getting blown out by good teams squeaking by crap teams that cost us a bid, so you think he would learn, nope he took a team to the Bahamas that was about as unprepared as any team I've ever seen. he simply is not a good coach, and this year needs to be his last

Agreed. Just offering some reality to those that are now assuming he's gonna be done at years end. Lots of bball left in the season. And it was a foregone conclusion, for most on this board, as late as a few weeks left in the season last year. Not sure what's changed, or why he'd automatically be gone after THIS year, if he shows even modest improvements, and ends up making the NCAAs.

 

[.Gerdis]

Is that not reality though? And I've said a bunch of times now, I don't necessarily agree with it. I'll take it further, I would like for him to be let go, even IF they do rally and win a B10 title, and make a tournament run. Kevin Ollie won a national title at UConn. Mike Davis made the final game at IU. In my opinion, Woodson isn't the long term answer at IU, at a crucial time in our program, no matter what he does the rest of this year.

But, obviously, there are key decision makers at IU that don't share that opinion.

Oh, I agree and we had this discussion last year.

 

[Bippy]

Which part?
Woodson gone or Matta on the radar?

Matta. I respect the guy but do we really want that old of a coach.
We need to build a program and with the amount of NIL we can throw around, bring in a rising young stud.
What made us great was hiring a young unknown, RMK, and letting him build something lasting.

 

[Indymoon]

Money is not a problem they can even do lump sums of 1 million till it's paid off. Matta I would take I would like to see if Beard would be interested but if it's Matta I would support it he recruits the state very well just a few names he landed at Ohio Sate.

Greg Oden, Mike Conley, JaQuan Lyle, Walter Offutt, Deshaun Thomas, Musa Jallow.

Musa was recruited by Chris Holtman.

 

[sobester]

I think all of the talk of money is overblown. All of your major programs will have the money. After that it’s going to be like it’s always been. You’ll have to sell something else, mainly development, winning and route to the pros

 

[T.M.P.]

You’ll have to sell something else, mainly development, winning and route to the pros

1 out of 3 ain't bad ...

 

[sobester]

1 out of 3 ain't bad ...

That one is certainly the big one.

 

[T.M.P.]

That one is certainly the big one.

I'd prefer the other two ... we haven't had player development since Crean and he wasn't all that great. Winning would be nice too ..

 

[sobester]

I think we very well could see top programs that forego high-school recruiting altogether.

 

[kurt cloverdales]

You guys are in your final years of Cal stage we just escaped.

if we had a coach that had Cals success, we would rename Bloomington after him

 

[sobester]

if we had a coach that had Cals success, we would rename Bloomington after him

It got really old towards the end.

 

[steelyvan]

It got really old towards the end.

some UK fans did not like Cal's arrival in Lexington.
I noticed after much hype (something Cal is good at) he is doing just OK at Arky
Pope, otoh is proving his worth right out of the gate.

 

[sobester]

some UK fans did not like Cal's arrival in Lexington.
I noticed after much hype (something Cal is good at) he is doing just OK at Arky
Pope, otoh is proving his worth right out of the gate.

X and Os are night and day between Cal and Pope. The question remains what level of talent/fit Pope can bring in yearly.

 

[IUNorth]

I think we very well could see top programs that forego high-school recruiting altogether.

I think kids roughly ranked 75-200 will be the ones that "suffer" the most from the new recruiting world, while things remain how they are today. Nearly all college coaches will still covet top 75 ish level high school players. The talent coming out of HS is as deep as its ever been, and outside the top 25-30, there's still a lot of value with a guy you're comfortable can be productive, coming in as a 4 star freshman. But to fully build your team, to fill out roster spots, to really spend the large bulk of your NIL/Rev Share...that's going to shift more towards portal kids, without question. And the math starts to hurt the fringe 4 star kids, and the 3 star kids, to get P4 roster spots out of high school.

The focus on "fixing" the current problems needs to be with transfer rules.

Maybe...

1. Every kid gets 1 transfer.
2. After they use that transfer, any further transfers will require them to sit out a year.
3. Coaches leaving, family medical emergency, etc... would provide waivers, like they used to.

Overnight, those things would clean up quite a number of the issues everyone is seeing today with poaching, inflated NIL values, roster management, etc...

 

[sobester]

I think kids roughly ranked 75-200 will be the ones that "suffer" the most from the new recruiting world, while things remain how they are today. Nearly all college coaches will still covet top 75 ish level high school players. The talent coming out of HS is as deep as its ever been, and outside the top 25-30, there's still a lot of value with a guy you're comfortable can be productive, coming in as a 4 star freshman. But to fully build your team, to fill out roster spots, to really spend the large bulk of your NIL/Rev Share...that's going to shift more towards portal kids, without question. And the math starts to hurt the fringe 4 star kids, and the 3 star kids, to get P4 roster spots out of high school.

The focus on "fixing" the current problems needs to be with transfer rules.

Maybe...

1. Every kid gets 1 transfer.
2. After they use that transfer, any further transfers will require them to sit out a year.
3. Coaches leaving, family medical emergency, etc... would provide waivers, like they used to.

Overnight, those things would clean up quite a number of the issues everyone is seeing today with poaching, inflated NIL values, roster management, etc...

To me it just seems like there are maybe 20 kids that can come in and contribute to a team that really has a chance to make a title run. And I’m not necessarily talking about the 20 most talented kids. After that I think the portal will always have better options. I could be proven wrong of course because we don’t really know yet as coaches have never had these options.