at least i play, have seen the courses, and know what i'm talking about.
you don't play, obviously haven't seen the courses, and have no idea what you're talking about.
Golf course update
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at least i play, have seen the courses, and know what i'm talking about.
you don't play, obviously haven't seen the courses, and have no idea what you're talking about.
You are a moron. Literally think you must have a serious brain injury.
I've played the course maybe 20 times ever....and not for at least 10 years. I haven't lived in Bloomington since 2004.
As to the rest of your gibberish....why would I waste time talking so much about golf if I didn't even play? Just to bother your dumbass?
don't believe you for a second,
if you'd have played it even once, you'd have some idea what it looked like. which you obviously don't.
your obsession with twenty isn't healthy. let it go man.
and as for Oakmont, the tree removal has it looking like it was originally intended when it was first designed. like trees or not, it's how the course looked back in 1903. It was a links-style course at the beginning.
****tard what is that comment even based on?.
1st hole is a par 5, slight dogleg left, from an elevated tee....That's then strong uphill to the green. 17 and 18 run parallel to each other..to the right of 1. Basically flat holes....though 17 might be off an elevated tee, can't recall. Boring throw away holes. 16 plays hard uphill, slight dogleg right. 15 a shorty par 4.....throw away hole. 14 pretty tough par 3.
9 is a big curving, dogleg left par 5, cut into the woods...pretty tight. 10 plays hard uphill. 11 is another elevated tee shot and then uphill to the green. 12 I recall being a tough par 4.
#5 is a dogleg par 4 with severe elevation up to the green. One of the more interesting holes. #2 tees off from major elevated tee....over a steep valley to the fairway....which is tight with woods.
That good enough for a course I haven't seen in 10-15 years? You want a rundown of every hole for your pea brain?
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links courses don't have trees, because they are built on land with no trees.. not because it makes for a better experience.
yes, Oakmont is like it originally was when built, but it's now not nearly as nice as it was with mature trees. (see images above. they don't lie).
the Oakmont members never wanted or even approved of the tree removal.
a few with power and a horrible vision hijacked the course and removed the trees at night by artificial lighting, so that the members wouldn't know what they were up to.
Scottish links courses are revered for their history and eccentricities.
few think them as beautiful as wooded American courses.
IU was designed by a 1st generation Scot who grew up playing in Scotland.
when he saw the piece of land he was given to work with, he used those resources that that piece of land possessed to their full potential.
trees do have upkeep and can cause turf issues.
but what they add far outweighs their downside.
Ross course in French Lick, Otter Creek, Hickory Stick, Clover Meadows (joking), and Country Oaks (greens/fairways always in good condition). I usually play Stonecrest because it's somewhat closer and pretty cheap - not an amazing course though. The IU course just isn't that great. Too many Par 4s and the Par 3s are all the same - 200+ yards straight and downhill.
Also, I liked the Par 3 course because it cost pretty much the same or less than the driving range and was a good resource for when I only had 1-2 hours to play. Rolling Meadows is great if you want to shoot 4-5 strokes below your typical score. Still a very average - at best - course.
Otter Creek is one of my favorite courses. However I think it is extremely over priced. $70 some dollars during the week? Crazy but it's subjective. But it is a fantastic track.
I live 5 mins from Hockory Stick. Fun track.
Hope to play Ross course someday.
Yeah, I only play Otter Creek when I find a deal on GolfNow and I have a mutual connection to the Ross course for a discount rate. I like the Ross course because it's always in great shape, challenging, but still scoreable.
No...from the great town of Cloverdale but have lived in Btown for 15 years.
Last trip up from Texas I stopped at the truck stop in Cloverdale. Wish I had time for some biscuits and gravy, would have brought back memories from my days at DePauw.
I had a Jr pass (under 18) for a couple years back in the mid 90s...that was the best deal in golf...think it was like $275/yr for unlimited golf. So played a ton there. Was always in great shape back then....sad to see McNutts reporting that conditions have gone so far downhill, apparently. That was a tremendous layout (the original 18). The East 9 was kind of meh...but still not terrible....just didn't fit at all with the original.
That's an incredible deal! That's about the time I picked up golf again after a 3-4 year hiatus.
I just looked at Otter Creek's current rates. Mon-Fri cost ya $79. That's insane, especially considering weekends are $89. You can go ahead and pay $100 and play all day. But to me, $79 during the week is a joke. They do think highly of themselves lol
Wow...just looked and they still have that junior deal...it's $375 now....but still a great deal for kids that play a lot. Even the under age 30 for $750 is nice deal for the young crowd.
Oakmont was originally built without trees. They didn't cut down trees. The tree removal made sense and was done with the approval of the club president, although there were certainly some battles among members, if I recall the stories correctly. I agree with you that trees are beautiful, but they don't mesh well with golf courses.
I would recommend listening to the latest episode of the "Fore Play" podcast, where they interview the superintendent at Winged Foot, that is undergoing a renovation, with a large tree removal component, to hear his take on trees on golf courses and the difficulties they cause for growth of healthy grasses. And that is at a club liked Winged Foot, with nearly limitless resources, as opposed to a public, university-owned course.
If I honestly believed that IU had the resources to maintain the golf course to a championship level, while keeping the heavy tree component that currently exists, I wouldn't be opposed to it, as that was the original design and the original state of the land upon which the course was built. Unfortunately, the university needs to balance that original state of the land against the maintenance needs of the course and the resources available. Most people would rather play a course with pure conditions than one with spottier conditions, even considering the architect's original intention. I don't think the course needs to be lush, and I would like to see IU embrace the more natural conditioning that we saw at the US Open a couple years back at Pinehurst. That said, the goal should be to have the turf playing firm and fast, and it is not really possible to create those conditions, with financial limitations, while being heavily forested.
I do believe, though, that the redesigned course will certainly maintain some of the foresting that we see now, though.
Dumb. I’ve played the Due Course with dozens of people & haven’t heard anyone say they hate it. But we tend to view the course as something more than a place for trees.
Love the Dye Course, but I am generally a Pete Dye fan. I get the love/hate some have for him, but, to say that nobody likes the Dye Course is simply false. A lot of pros had good things to say after the Senior PGA.
too many par 4s is an interesting and new critique for a golf course.
IU has 3 more par 4s than the average course, (2 more than most par 71s), but guess i never saw that as a big negative.
as for the par 3s being "straight", guess you must like those "dogleg" par 3s better. bwg
only 1 par 3 is noticeably downhill, and memorable par 3s often seem to be downhill for some reason.
playing lengths of par 3s is easily addressed with tee placement. (guessing the new design will have lengthy par 3s from the tips as well).
Rolling Meadows is relatively short due to amount of land, but play it from the tips and you get some long forced carries for an old guy like me. (amazing views from the top of the hill). (i mostly only played the front 9 back when i played there. much more interesting than the back).
on a side note, anyone else but me see on the news this past yr that one of the houses to the left off number 5 tee on RM blew up due to natural gas explosion? (suicide by gas explosion i think was the conclusion by investigators).
never played Hickory Stick, Stonecrest, or Country Oaks. (don't even know where Stonecrest or Country Oaks are).
played the Ross course back in the 1960s. wasn't wowed and not near as impressive as IU at the time.
guessing they've fixed it up a lot since all the French Lick renovation.
played Otter Creek many times, all back in the 60s.
ok, but never thought it was anything great.
guessing the trees there have grown up a lot since then.
hear they have major issues with sand rake placement. bwg
i'm guessing the courses you play all have all bent grass tees and fairways, fairway traps, and water.
IU has no premium grass fairways or tees. not one single fairway trap on the entire course. not one water hazard. (no doubt wasn't working with an unlimited budget when built).
you have to look at IU for what it could be. not what it is.
thin out the trees lining the more closely wooded fairways, (current 2, 3, 10, 11, 12), add the number of fairway traps and water the new design will encompass, plant premium grass fairways and tees, (needed irrigation and drainage of course), lengthen in spots, and it would be flat amazing.
what the current IU lacks that keeps it from being great, can be added.
what the current IU has that the new course won't, what all the other nicer newer central Indiana courses lack, and what very few other courses have, can never be reclaimed, and why while a new course at IU will be nice just like the many other nice newer central Indiana courses, it will never be anything special.
the current course renovated well would be something really special. the nicest course in Indiana at minimum, and a destination course.
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