Many have been on the Dusty May love fest which I never really understood.
I still think that he is the next Chris Holtmann waiting to happen.
I still think that he is the next Chris Holtmann waiting to happen.
Funny.. DM & MW Both Lose To Illini By 20 @ Home
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Feel like we dodged a bullet with him.
They got bombed out of the building in the 2nd half. Zero 3-point defense effort by Michigan. Guys wide open all the 2nd half. Illinois scored 62 points on them in the 2nd half.
It was Woody-esque.
35-4, 2023, final four. zero NBA player
25-9, 2024, NCAA tourney repeat
22-6, 2025 (14-4) 1st year in Big Ten with 6 transfers
Seriously, go find coaches who have done that.
Woodson's best in 4 years is 12-8 with a first team AA and the guy is 65 years old with 20 years of NBA experience.
Holtman had the Big Ten player of the year in his first season. If you go look at my posts from that year , I made a point to say the guy was lucky with his recruiting haul. You can't say that about May because all his guys are new to UM.
He may not become the next 700 win coach, but you can't say he hasn't been impressive thus far.
Dusty's Michigan team is overrated. Eleven of their 14 Big Ten wins have been decided by four points or fewer, highlighting how often they’ve relied on narrow escapes. Their last victory by more than four points came on January 12th against Washington. While most fans on this board will see Dusty's success in close games as a positive, the reality is that Michigan has been extremely fortunate this season. Eventually, their luck will run out, and yes, we likely dodged a bullet.
Very Top Heavy league, should get only 8 teams Max!Dusty's Michigan team is overrated. Eleven of their 14 Big Ten wins have been decided by four points or fewer, highlighting how often they’ve relied on narrow escapes. Their last victory by more than four points came on January 12th against Washington. While most fans on this board will see Dusty's success in close games as a positive, the reality is that Michigan has been extremely fortunate this season. Eventually, their luck will run out, and yes, we likely dodged a bullet.
extremely fortunate might = great coachingDusty's Michigan team is overrated. Eleven of their 14 Big Ten wins have been decided by four points or fewer, highlighting how often they’ve relied on narrow escapes. Their last victory by more than four points came on January 12th against Washington. While most fans on this board will see Dusty's success in close games as a positive, the reality is that Michigan has been extremely fortunate this season. Eventually, their luck will run out, and yes, we likely dodged a bullet.
CRMK won a lot of 4 point games
"Dodged a bullet" is a bit much.
Like many of the other candidates that have been talked about, ad nauseum, he'd be the best coach we've had (Sampson doesn't count), since RMK.
But I also don't think he and Beard are head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd...so much that its a huge deal if we don't get either of them. May's last 2 teams have proven his style, approach, etc... are susceptible to clunker type games. There are some candidates that I feel like are much less likely to have teams that would lose games in that fashion...but they might not have the higher upside that May teams can also show and play with.
No, compared to Dusty, RMK did not. Below is the number of Big Ten wins RMK had by four points or fewer during his tenure. During this era, the Big Ten season consisted of 18 games, the same number of games Michigan has played so far.
1975: 1 game
1976: 3 games
1977: 1 game
1978: 3 games
1979: 2 games
1980: 4 games
1981: 2 games
1982: 3 games
1983: 3 games
1984: 3 games
1985: 1 game
1986: 4 games
1987: 6 games
1988: 5 games
1989: 5 games
1990: 3 games
1991: 1 game
1992: 1 game
1993: 5 games
1994: 3 games
1995: 4 games
1996: 1 games
1997: 4 games
1998: 1 game
1999: 3 games
2000: 3 games
Dusty: 11 games
On average, RMK won 2.88 Big Ten games by four points or fewer per season. In contrast, Dusty has won 11 such games.
RMK: 16% (2.88/18)
Dusty: 61% (11/18)
While Dusty is a good coach, it's also clear that he's a lucky SOB too.
Dusty’s done some impressive things, but in a relatively short amount of time. Time will tell what he’s made of. Actually, next year will say a lot, as Wolf probably is gone, and Goldin has no eligibility left and is gone. Those two are a big reason they can pull out these tight games. Having a Chitwood makes all the difference, an advantage we don’t have.
So, is it player(s) or coach? The magic question. That is currently being answered for our little buddy in W. Lafayette
My initial view, early on in this coaching search discussion, was that I was getting "Tom Crean vibes" from May. The more I watched, and read about him, the less I have that view. I think he'd be consistently very successful at IU. I'd love to have him. And I still think there's a decent chance he'll be the guy...despite the new contract.
That would make him the biggest jackass in college basketball. It's over. Stevens is more likely than May. And you're assuming he'd rather be at IU and UM. Besides, Dolson probably already has his guy locked up.
Dodged a bullet he lost one game and is in 2nd place in his first season. Are we now basing hires off of one game?
It's comical how these guys say he is the next chris holtman because he lost one game. He has five more conference wins than woodson with way less nil.
To be fair, you need to include several seasons with May as head coach. Comparing one season vs. 26? We already know May isn't close to Knight in any meaningful coaching metric.
He's been blown out, at home, two games in a row.
Sorry but it's not hard to imagine some of the folks who wanted him hired "turning on him" a couple years down the road. Kinda "why the hell did we hire a guy with virtually no p4 experience".
And we got guys on here pushing for McCollum with even less experience and telling us he is a winner and will win here. Very bold predictions and the same were made about archie.
For those who don't want to spend 2.5 hours listening to these two clowns, or three if you still dislike Crean... I listened to it yesterday, so my details are a bit foggy, but there's not a whole lot to takeaway:
1. Tom discussed fans chanting for Crean to be fired at his son's games, approaching him at church, etc.
2. Focused on how IU has the best fans in college basketball; some even waiting at his car at ~2AM (after a game, to get autographs)
3. Thinks of IU as a grassroots program, so it's important for the new coach to be generous with their time
4. Talks glowingly about Cig, specifically the importance of a coach knowing their system inside and out and being able to find/evaluate players that fit
5. When asked which type of system the new IU coach should utilize, Tom was dodgy, but vaguely hinted that a more modern system would engage the fans more, allowing the program to harness the full potential of an Assembly Hall crowd
6. When asked to evaluate a bunch of current coaches for the IU job (as though Crean was the AD), he was complimentary of all of them (Buzz, McDermott, McCollum, Cronin) and said they're "really good," but only described one as being "excellent" (Scott Drew)
Big rewards usually require bigger risks. None of the best P4 coaches would come here anyway, they are all doing very well where they are.
Houston and st johns would beg to differ. Huge rewards with proven coaches
I agree. Crean was very insightful and made a lot of good points.
It is funny how you see him as being lucky for winning close games while many see it as a sign of good coaching. I can say I have not watched much this year. However what he accomplished at FAU is remarkable.
Maybe.
But I'm 💯 pct sure it's a upgrade from Woodson.
Teams loose games ..You not watch college basketball?
As usual, your little pea brain can't see the forest for the trees. I'm not saying Dusty is da bomb or that I even want him as our next coach which ain't happening but his record suggests he's far better than Woody. 14-4 in his first season with a bunch of new guys makes Woody look like a useless buffoon.
Wow, thanks for doing the research = very cool!
But from my perspective, you validated my point. Coach Knight won a lot of close games. With my crimson colored glasses, my memory is we won every close game coming down the stretch. The two best examples are vs the Fab Five in 1993. Two wins by 1 point each.
For the record, my post did say "might"
CDM might be a tough out every year because he executes well.
Or maybe we hire him?
I listened to that interview when it came out. I enjoyed it. Never knew about all the threats against Crean. That was awful to hear. Crean had a lot of good points. It’s worth a listen if anyone has time.
Yea Crean was a good guy he got the Indiana part for sure really good listen. I can't believe he even gives Fred Glass credit. He also said Dolson needs to listen to his on gut not let anybody else in his ear to make the right hire.
Dusty’s first 4 years of coaching.Dusty's Michigan team is overrated. Eleven of their 14 Big Ten wins have been decided by four points or fewer, highlighting how often they’ve relied on narrow escapes. Their last victory by more than four points came on January 12th against Washington. While most fans on this board will see Dusty's success in close games as a positive, the reality is that Michigan has been extremely fortunate this season. Eventually, their luck will run out, and yes, we likely dodged a bullet.
- 17-16 and 8-10 in the conference. Lost first round of the CIT.
- 17-16 and 8-10 in conference. No post season. 9th in conference.
- 13-10 in COVID shortened season.
- 19-15 and a 1st round loss in the CBI.
McCasland has been a head coach for 20 years at 5 schools, working his way up. Dusty is in his 7th year as a head coach.
Dusty’s career winning % is .661.
McCasland has 20 years as a head coach and sits at .741 winning %z
The only reason that we targeted Dusty is because he has ties to the university. Otherwise, his name would have been down the list.
I wasn’t comparing Dusty to Woody.
I was comparing him to the other candidates.
Of course anybody is going to look like a coaching legend next to Woodson. That guy shouldn’t even be coaching basketball.
I’m just not enamored with him. If Dusty May was not an IU grad from Terre Haute, would this board be pumping his name out like the best thing since sliced bread?
The May thing still feels like this old argument by some that we have to get a guy that had IU connections.
We have one of those now and he stinks.
I hate to say it but another coach that was an IU grad from Terre Hate-Cam Cameron but football of course. Never came close to understanding some of the things he did with the Dolphins.
He's always spoke well of Indiana. Coach Mike Davis has too.
I think Cam’s biggest mistake was throwing in Randle El at QB as a quick fix for the offense. I get it, Cam was desperate and ARE was a great talent. I believe he should’ve been patient and stuck ARE at receiver and let Jones (I think that was the other QB at the time) be the QB. We had Williams at RB too. I think the following year those moves would’ve paid off. Could’ve still used ARE at QB in certain situations.
His biggest mistake was not hiring a quality defensive coordinator. And then not focusing on that side of the ball, really at all. Our offense with ARE was fine. Better than fine, actually. And it would have been even better with even an average defense.
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