For all the Trump apologists

[dbmhoosier]

Or with reasonable suspicion. As I understand it, this is just affirming current law.

"Border Patrol agents generally do not need a warrant to arrest individuals suspected of illegally crossing the U.S. border. Under federal law, specifically 8 U.S.C. § 1357, agents have authority to apprehend individuals they reasonably believe are violating immigration laws, particularly in border areas. This includes those observed crossing the border wall unlawfully. The Supreme Court has upheld that agents can conduct warrantless arrests based on probable cause within a reasonable distance from the border, typically defined as 100 miles."

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

"Border Patrol agents generally do not need a warrant to arrest individuals suspected of illegally crossing the U.S. border. Under federal law, specifically 8 U.S.C. § 1357, agents have authority to apprehend individuals they reasonably believe are violating immigration laws, particularly in border areas. This includes those observed crossing the border wall unlawfully. The Supreme Court has upheld that agents can conduct warrantless arrests based on probable cause within a reasonable distance from the border, typically defined as 100 miles."

Yes, that's describing reasonable suspicion.

This judge's ruling does not prohibit a warrantless arrest if they can demonstrate reasonable suspicion. Maybe you should try reading a little bit more than what's put in these Tweets you link? You'll be better informed if you do.

 

[BradStevens]

"Border Patrol agents generally do not need a warrant to arrest individuals suspected of illegally crossing the U.S. border. Under federal law, specifically 8 U.S.C. § 1357, agents have authority to apprehend individuals they reasonably believe are violating immigration laws, particularly in border areas. This includes those observed crossing the border wall unlawfully. The Supreme Court has upheld that agents can conduct warrantless arrests based on probable cause within a reasonable distance from the border, typically defined as 100 miles."

Federal judge orders US Border Patrol to stop conducting illegal stops, warrantless arrests in California

Ruling comes in wake of civil liberties lawsuit after dozens of migrants were illegally arrested earlier this year - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

"The ruling came in response to a three-day immigration sweep in January near Bakersfield, about 100 miles (161 kilometers) north of Los Angeles, in which day laborers and farm workers, including a US citizen, were arrested in a Home Depot parking lot without reasonable suspicion, according to multiple media outlets."

Distance from Bakersfield to Tijuana

Distance between Bakersfield and Tijuana is 369 kilometers (229 miles) in United States, Mexico. Also calculate the driving distance and how far is it the travel time.

www.distancecalculator.net

 

[dbmhoosier]

Yes, that's describing reasonable suspicion.

This judge's ruling does not prohibit a warrantless arrest if they can demonstrate reasonable suspicion. Maybe you should try reading a little bit more than what's put in these Tweets you link? You'll be better informed if you do.

Federal judge orders US Border Patrol to stop conducting illegal stops, warrantless arrests in California

Ruling comes in wake of civil liberties lawsuit after dozens of migrants were illegally arrested earlier this year - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

"The ruling came in response to a three-day immigration sweep in January near Bakersfield, about 100 miles (161 kilometers) north of Los Angeles, in which day laborers and farm workers, including a US citizen, were arrested in a Home Depot parking lot without reasonable suspicion, according to multiple media outlets."

This will be reversed. Guaranteed.

 

[outside shooter]

Or with reasonable suspicion. As I understand it, this is just affirming current law.

dmb's twitter twits conveniently omit that!

The ruling prohibits Border Patrol agents from taking similar actions, restricting them from stopping people unless they have a reasonable suspicion that the person is in violation of U.S. immigration law. It also bars agents from carrying out warrantless arrests unless they have probable cause that the person is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained.

“You just can’t walk up to people with brown skin and say, ‘Give me your papers,’” U.S. District Court Judge Jennifer L. Thurston said during a Monday hearing in Fresno that featured moments of heated exchange between government attorneys and the judge.

California Attorney General Rob Bonta: “That’s existing law, and the judge’s order reflects existing law.

Judge restricts Border Patrol in California: 'You just can’t walk up to people with brown skin'

'You just can’t walk up to people with brown skin and say give me your papers,' a judge said in ordering the Border Patrol to halt warrantless sweeps in California.

calmatters.org

 

[Spartans9312]

@CO. Hoosier , why do you think dbm posted a GIF of Andrew Jackson going from frowning to smiling here, in relation to this tweet and in this thread?

Did the judge make the correct ruling…in your opinion?

 

[Bowlmania]

A reason many support PDJT is the effect he triggers in the psyche of so many of the smooth-brained anons of the Left, as this thread displays...

Indeed. A hallmark of great presidential leadership.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

“You just can’t walk up to people with brown skin and say, ‘Give me your papers,’” U.S. District Court Judge Jennifer L. Thurston said

I remember those old movies where a KGB or Gestapo agent would stop people and demand papers. It never occurred to me that some watching the same movie would think, "that's what we need."

 

[dbmhoosier]

Did the judge make the correct ruling…in your opinion?

Former Alito clerk and US assistant attorney Mike Lee.

 

[Ohio Guy]

What part of Trump stupidity caused Garcia to be caught trafficking human beings?

Trump being stupid has nothing to do with Garcia's alleged criminal activity.

 

[outside shooter]

Former Alito clerk and US assistant attorney Mike Lee...

... is yet one more person who didn't bother to read the judge's ruling.

The judge did not ban warrantless arrests. Period. The judge banned warrantless arrests without reasonable suspicion, as the law already demanded.

 

[dbmhoosier]

... is yet one more person who didn't bother to read the judge's ruling.

The judge did not ban warrantless arrests. Period. The judge banned warrantless arrests without reasonable suspicion, as the law already demanded.

They had reasonable suspicion.

 

[Ohio Guy]

I don't care what tattoo may or may not be on the knuckle of an MS-13 Trafficer locked up in a foreign prison.

I am amused at the near hysterical reactions to anything Trump by the smooth-brained.

The whole point of this thread is that Trump stupidly used a photoshopped picture of Garcia's knuckles to justify him being deported. And he honestly thought the photoshopped tattoos were real.

Nevermind the fact that ICE admitted they deported him in error and that the Supreme Court said the administration should facilitate his return. Trump saw photoshopped tattoos and thought, 'yep, proof enough for me. I think I'll tweet this out."

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Former Alito clerk and US assistant attorney Mike Lee.

I haven't read the judge's actual opinion. But this is a snippet from a news report about it:

So there are exceptions for reasonable suspicion and PC. And these are conveniently left out of these tweets you're posting.

Let me put it this way: if this preliminary injunction goes against established law, it won't last very long.

 

[outside shooter]

They had reasonable suspicion.

If so, then they were acting in full accord with the judge's ruling. No problem.

Discuss how a Home Depot parking lot two hours north of LA meets your criteria of being within 100 miles of a border crossing.

 

[Spartans9312]

If so, then they were acting in full accord with the judge's ruling. No problem.

Discuss how a Home Depot parking lot two hours north of LA meets your criteria of being within 100 miles of a border crossing.

Were some of them here illegally? Yes sir

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

The whole point of this thread is that Trump stupidly used a photoshopped picture of Garcia's knuckles to justify him being deported. And he honestly thought the photoshopped tattoos were real.

Nevermind the fact that ICE admitted they deported him in error and that the Supreme Court said the administration should facilitate his return. Trump saw photoshopped tattoos and thought, 'yep, proof enough for me. I think I'll tweet this out."

The point of this thread, like many here, is for yahoos who suffer severe, debilitating TDS to commiserate with each over every bit of minutiae, clutch pearls and virtue signal.
Pathetic, but amusing all the same.

 

[BradStevens]

Did the judge make the correct ruling…in your opinion?

I haven't read the opinion.

Here's a counter on the distance issue:

100-Mile Border Enforcement Zone - Southern Border Communities Coalition

www.southernborder.org

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), which includes the Border Patrol, is the largest law enforcement agency in the country. Their jurisdiction they claim spans 100 miles into the interior of the United States from any land or maritime border. Two-thirds of the U.S. population lives within this 100-mile border enforcement zone, including cities like Washington D.C., San Francisco CA, Chicago IL, New Orleans LA, Boston MA, & more.

Because these are considered border cities, federal border and immigration agents assert the power to board public transportation or set up interior checkpoints and stop, interrogate and search children on their way to school, parents on their way to work, and families going to doctor’s appointments or the grocery store — all done without a warrant or reasonable suspicion.

How can CBP agents do this? Unlike other federal agencies, CBP officers are uniquely granted extraordinary and unprecedented powers. These extraordinary powers state that officers are able to racially profile, stop, frisk, detain, interrogate, and arrest anyone without a warrant or reasonable suspicion. The Fourth Amendment is intended to protect all people against unreasonable searches and seizures. Every other federal law enforcement agency, except CBP, requires either a warrant or "reasonable grounds" for an officer to act without a warrant.

 

[Ohio Guy]

The point of this thread, like many here, is for yahoos who suffer severe, debilitating TDS to commiserate with either over every bit of minutiae, clutch pearls and virtue signal.
Pathetic, but amusing all the same.

It's weird that you default to that response when anything non-flattering of Trump is brought up. There are plenty of valid criticisms to be made about Trump as president. Being stupid is sort of foundational to most of those criticisms. Examples of that stupidity really isn't minutiae, given that we all deserve better than a stupid POTUS.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Were some of them here illegally? Yes sir

Home Depot is known for illegals. Jackass or one of them used to do skits where they’d pick them up in a truck and drop them off at immigration etc

 

[Ohio Guy]

Home Depot is known for illegals. Jackass or one of them used to do skits where they’d pick them up in a truck and drop them off at immigration etc

Not pronouncing the “T” is a dead giveaway. They should pronounce it “de-POT” like our forefathers intended.

 

[DANC]

It's an issue because the President of the United States should be prepared and knowledgeable about these issues. You might have been duped about it initially, but when it was pointed out, you realized you were wrong. He clearly hasn't had it pointed out to him yet, before this interview! THAT is the issue here--it goes directly to the competence and preparedness of this administration.

And as you know, I had similar complaints about the last administration. I didn't pull punches on Biden, either.

No, I know you didn't. You are as objective as anyone here. To a fault sometimes.

I don't care if anyone rags on Trump about it. But in the scheme of things, is it that big a deal? He doesn't need "I'm a member of MS-13" tattoo'd on every square inch of his body to determine if he's a member - 2 judges have already determined he is.

Which is worse - Trump being duped/lying about what's on his knuckes (even tho he did have a code for MS-13 tattoo'd there), or others who have heard the judgements of 2 judges and the written complaint from his wife/girlfriend that he's a gang member?

Bottom line is, he's MS-13 who has gone through due process - twice - to determine he's a member of a terrorist gang, eligible for immediate deportation. Which happened. Case closed.

 

[DANC]

And the Dems are the only ones that have a shot at doing it effectively.

Lord help us, if that's true. And I don't think it is.

 

[DANC]

What does this even mean?

Come on, Brad. It's not 'due process' he was talking about. It's where was the concern for legality when BIden opened the borders.

There was no concern, other than that coming from Trump and Republicans. But now that we try to deport illegals, others are only concerned with legal minutia.

But never mind the fact 2 judges determined he was MS-13

 

[DANC]

I think it's a reasonable interpretation of this message to replace "playing this game" with "following the Constitution."

In other words, if one side breaks rules, we get to break rules, too. Any of them. Tribes over rules. Ends over means.

Bad stuff.

You finally said that quiet part out loud.

Yes, if one side breaks the rules and gets away with it, the country has opened itself up for this.

We tried to tell the country this would work both ways, but Dems thought they'd be in power forever. Like changing Senate rules, the worm will eventually turn.

Time to pay the piper. We can't abide by 2 sets of rules.

 

[DANC]

Sure.

Have him go before a judge, doesn't even have to be in person, it can be a video call and present what you have and then release it afterwards. Present things in court that will hold up in court, but they haven't done ANY of that. Instead, they'd rather try this case through social media and the news. This would have been done and over with had they just admit their mistake and fixed it.

Do that, and then send him to Mars for all I care. Just do it the right way.

He's been before 2. Why do you insist on lying, saying he's never seen a judge?

 

[outside shooter]

Were some of them here illegally? Yes sir

If a racist with a badge stops at gunpoint 100 black people, because the racist thinks black people are inherently criminally inclined, and 2 of the 100 are found to be criminals, do we say

A) "good job, dude, keep up the good work!"
or do we say
B) "that's not the way to do things in our society, under our laws, under our Constitution"

Sounds like a disturbing number of people are solidly in the A camp.

 

[Spartans9312]

If a racist with a badge stops at gunpoint 100 black people, because the racist thinks black people are inherently criminally inclined, and 2 of the 100 are found to be criminals, do we say

A) "good job, dude, keep up the good work!"
or do we say
B) "that's not the way to do things in our society, under our laws, under our Constitution"

Sounds like a disturbing number of people are solidly in the A camp.

They are racists?

There’s one behind every tree in your mind.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

No, I know you didn't. You are as objective as anyone here. To a fault sometimes.

I don't care if anyone rags on Trump about it. But in the scheme of things, is it that big a deal? He doesn't need "I'm a member of MS-13" tattoo'd on every square inch of his body to determine if he's a member - 2 judges have already determined he is.

Which is worse - Trump being duped/lying about what's on his knuckes (even tho he did have a code for MS-13 tattoo'd there), or others who have heard the judgements of 2 judges and the written complaint from his wife/girlfriend that he's a gang member?

Bottom line is, he's MS-13 who has gone through due process - twice - to determine he's a member of a terrorist gang, eligible for immediate deportation. Which happened. Case closed.

No, bottom line is the SC ruled to bring him back and we haven't done so.

Nevertheless, I agree with the Court’s order that the proper remedy is to provide Abrego Garcia with all the process to which he would have been entitled had he not been unlawfully removed to El Salvador. That means the Government must comply with its obligation to provide Abrego Garcia with “due process of law,” including notice and an opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings. Reno v. Flores, 507 U. S. 292, 306 (1993). It must also comply with its obligations under the Convention Against Torture. See Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, Dec. 10, 1984, S. Treaty Doc. No. 100–20, 1465 U. N. T. S. 113. Federal law governing detention and removal of immigrants continues, of course, to be binding as well. See 8 U. S. C. §1226(a) (requiring a warrant before a noncitizen “may be arrested and detained pending a decision” on removal); 8 CFR §287.8(c)(2)(ii) (2024) (requiring same); see also 8 CFR §241.4(l) (in order to revoke conditional release, the Government must provide adequate notice and “promptly” arrange an “initial informal interview . . . to afford the alien an opportunity to respond to the reasons for the revocation stated in the notification”). Moreover, it has been the Government’s own well-established policy to “facilitate [an] alien’s return to the United States if . . . the alien’s presence is necessary for continued administrative removal proceedings” in cases where a noncitizen has been removed pending immigration proceedings. See U. S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Directive 11061.1, Facilitating the Return to the United States of Certain Lawfully Removed Aliens, §2 (Feb. 24, 2012). In the proceedings on remand, the District Court should continue to ensure that the Government lives up to its obligations to follow the law.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

He's been before 2. Why do you insist on lying, saying he's never seen a judge?

Lying about what?

Show me the order that says he can be deported to El Salvador.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Not pronouncing the “T” is a dead giveaway. They should pronounce it “de-POT” like our forefathers intended.

Oh, there is no "s". Wow, I always thought it was "Home Despot". I never could figure out why people wanted a despot at home.

 

[SqueakyClean]

You finally said that quiet part out loud.

Yes, if one side breaks the rules and gets away with it, the country has opened itself up for this.

We tried to tell the country this would work both ways, but Dems thought they'd be in power forever. Like changing Senate rules, the worm will eventually turn.

Time to pay the piper. We can't abide by 2 sets of rules.

I've been saying for a while now that the trend has to stop though. Escalation. At some point in time, somebody is going to have to stand up and start handing out punishments that are actually followed through with. There will be a Democratic administration eventually. Maybe in 4 yours, maybe 20.
If this kind of behavior isn't nipped in the bud now, then president AOC (or the equivalent) is going to be declaring the NRA a terrorist organization and sending us to some jail in Germany or Ireland or wherever our grandfathers immigrated from.
Everybody has been throwing around the yabbut's for the last 25 years as justification for both sides.
The choices seem to be either get some integrity back or keep taking steps down that slippery slope that will eventually end in revolution.

 

[outside shooter]

They are racists?

Hypothetical Situation

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Hypothetical situation' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

 

[HurryingHoosiers]

They are racists?

There’s one behind every tree in your mind.

way to miss the point.

 

[Spartans9312]

way to miss the point.

What was the point?

 

[outside shooter]

What was the point?

That you lack thinking skills

 

[dbmhoosier]

 

[outside shooter]

The Wall Street Journal, not exactly a left wing rag, has concluded the photo was faked:

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/trump-interview-ms-13-tattoo-kilmar-abrego-garcia-39b994fa

Notorious gang’s initials were digitally added to an image of Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s hand​

sorry... pay wall

try this too:

Trump Mistakes Photoshopped Image of Immigrant's Knuckle Tattoos for the Real Thing in Intense ABC News Interview

Donald Trump’s interview with ABC News’ Terry Moran turned tense when the president insisted that an edited image of Kilmar Abrego Garcia's tattoos was not Photoshopped

people.com

 

[CO. Hoosier]

the SC ruled to bring him back and we haven't done so.

That’s not the bottom line. It’s not the top line. It’s not the middle line. It’s not any line.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Former Alito clerk and US assistant attorney Mike Lee.

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A warrant is required to make an arrest in a non-public spaces. In all other places no warrant is required. Deportation is not a criminal proceeding.