Right. The clip was edited.. Do you think Trump would have brought up the tattoos in response to a question about the economy?
For all the Trump apologists
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The deportation itself isn't the issue. The orders explicitly excluded El Salvador -- which is where he was sent.
Honestly, I think this exclusion would (or at least should) be lifted if they were to rehear it. For one thing, the fear of gang violence he cited is far less of an issue today than it was when he made it an issue. For another, whatever his own status within MS-13, we at least know that he had no fear in hanging around confirmed MS-13 members...because that's who he was arrested with. So he can't fear them all that much, if he's hanging around them.
But the Trump Administration was 100% in the wrong in doing what it did -- and it is adding insult to injury by continuing to refuse to correct it. I don't buy for a second that they couldn't get the guy back here if they wanted to. Bukele is doing Trump's bidding, and anybody with half a brain knows it.
We don't just "skip" over Due Process in this country. We're at precarious enough place as a society as it is. The last thing we want to do is take any steps down that slippery slope.
None of that makes the Dems worse than Trump
Trump won because a bunch of people are idiots. That people believe Dems are sympathetic to ms-13 says more about how stupid and gullible they are than anything about the Dems.
That is why Trump began the whole notion that everything is fake news unless he says it. Blaming Dems that people are dumb enough to believe it is totally illogical.
If not true, he's a liar.
Yes, many people are fooled. That one was pretty obvious, but he's old, so I get it in a sense. The deeper problem is that either his administration isn't briefing him on this and he didn't spend the time or effort to get up to speed. Imagine then what is going on w/r/t Ukraine and Russia, for instance.
Serious question: do you think a politician like Romney or Cruze or.... pick one...... would showcase the craziness of Democrats/liberals like Trump does?
I don't. I think regular politicians would never bring out the contrast between practical, realistic policies and those of unlimited immigration, DEI, trans surgery for minors, etc, like Trump does.
For some reason, he makes them cling to these positions even more. The absolutely cannot accept a position they agree with, even if Trump is for it. Implementation of tariffs is a glaring example.
It really is a fascinating psychological phenomenon.
But if they then follow through with governing under those extreme policies once in office, how is that a good thing?
Oh, I think he was duped on that. I know I was. So what - I have no problem admitting it. If that makes someone think less of me, BFD.
Trump is never going to come out and admit he was duped or wrong about what the actual tattoos were. So what? Is it that big a deal in the scheme of things? 2 judges determined he was MS-13. His girl friend/wife said he was a gang member. Why tf is this still an issue?
Who are you talking about? Democrat? That's not a good thing.
You mean republicans are screwing public education with the dumbass voucher system
Big city crime? What dem policy are you blaming that on?
Homelessness? Not caused by dems
LA Fire and Recovery? care to explain..although I'm sure it is just as much bs as the others on the list.
Trump apparently has given up the lie that he couldn't get him back. See if the Supreme Court does anything about the middle finger he is giving them.
DP is highly situational . All that is required is the opportunity to respond. Garcia was not deprived of a property right by the government. He is a citizen of Salvador and that is his home. Being wrong about gang membership does not mean DP was violated.
It's an issue because the President of the United States should be prepared and knowledgeable about these issues. You might have been duped about it initially, but when it was pointed out, you realized you were wrong. He clearly hasn't had it pointed out to him yet, before this interview! THAT is the issue here--it goes directly to the competence and preparedness of this administration.
And as you know, I had similar complaints about the last administration. I didn't pull punches on Biden, either.
SCOTUS isn't unanimous on too many contentious issues these days. But they were unanimous about this one. Even Alito and Thomas sided against the administration.
He needs to quit stonewalling on this and get it behind him. I'll go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt that this was done in error. I have my doubts about it, but fine....it was an error.
So they need to correct it.
True dat. The government lawyer said the government made a mistake. (Not sure that is true, but it is in the record so the government is stuck with it). All the due process nonsense is vacuous Trump bashing.
Whatever.
Why do YOU think Trump stupidly thinks MS-13 is tattooed on Garcia's knuckles?
If a plausible explanation of Trump's stupidity in this case is a conspiracy theory, I'm happy to get in line for my tinfoil hat.
Bullshit. We aren't playing this game. Where was my due process as an American before Biden purposely and illegally opened our border and dumped 10s of millions of illegals into my country?
A Dem administration can come in and dump 20 million illegals every 4-8 years but when a Republican administration takes over they can only deport a small fraction of those people because "due process". We then don't have a country anymore. If you think Trump is going to play that game you are sadly mistaken.
With Trump, you get a guy "who was duped by something like tattoos" AND "someone who directly lies straight-face even when confronted by real evidence."
With Trump, this is more of a 'yes/and' situation. Nice of him to give us a smorgasbord of things to criticize him for.
I do think the entire thing is fascinating. Not good, by any means, but certainly fascinating. And this morning I've been focusing on Democrats, and how they should be handling themselves. I have plenty of strong thoughts on the GOP as well, believe me. To the point where I think our best "hope" to get back to all the great things that the United States was, and should be, is if the Dems make a shift and start leading more from the center. Not going to say I've given up hope that the GOP will figure it out, and do the right thing...but I think some of the fundamental things driving Trumps popularity with a huge portion of the GOP, are so deep rooted, and not good, and now have been permanently normalized... that they ain't going back any time soon.
To answer your question... no, I think Trump is unique in that regard. But I don't really give him, or you, or the party at large a lot of "credit" for that. I don't think this was some sort of master plan on the GOP or Trumps part. I think he's awful, he taps in to some of the deep seated things a larger than should be portion of the party believes, but have never had a safe place to "allow out"... and that he does bring out the crazy on the other side, is a fascinating side effect.
But now its out. And we now know that enough American's don't like it...for good reason. Its time to grow up, and get back to leading from the middle. Its what we need. And the Dems are the only ones that have a shot at doing it effectively.
What does this even mean?
I had the same question.
What due process are we supposed to be afforded wrt other people coming here illegally?
Recalls to mind this classic...
I don't care what tattoo may or may not be on the knuckle of an MS-13 Trafficer locked up in a foreign prison.
I am amused at the near hysterical reactions to anything Trump by the smooth-brained.
What part of Trump stupidity caused Garcia to be caught trafficking human beings?
I think it's a reasonable interpretation of this message to replace "playing this game" with "following the Constitution."
In other words, if one side breaks rules, we get to break rules, too. Any of them. Tribes over rules. Ends over means.
Bad stuff.
Technical,y not a due process aggument. But we have the right to expect government to enforce the law instead of administratively altering the law and then yell about the law needs to be changed.
See. There you go again. The Garcia mistake does not implicate the constitution. The constitution is alive and well. It was a mistake.
I agree with that entirely. The government does need to either enforce its laws or otherwise change them.
But this doesn't get them off the hook for denying DP rights, and defying courts when told to do so.
He also doesn't even know what a photoshop is. At the 0:47 mark he says "look at the photo, don't photoshop it".
His cognitive function is Biden-esque or likely worse. Needs to be told what day it is and when to change the diaper.
Sure.
Have him go before a judge, doesn't even have to be in person, it can be a video call and present what you have and then release it afterwards. Present things in court that will hold up in court, but they haven't done ANY of that. Instead, they'd rather try this case through social media and the news. This would have been done and over with had they just admit their mistake and fixed it.
Do that, and then send him to Mars for all I care. Just do it the right way.
Trump already told us that he's not the one making this decision. What more do you want? We all know that he's devout at delegating authority.
So why is anybody kvetching at him? It's some other guy, some lawyer guy...we don't know who it is. Some Deep State guy -- he's the culprit.
@CO. Hoosier , why do you think dbm posted a GIF of Andrew Jackson going from frowning to smiling here, in relation to this tweet and in this thread?
Or with reasonable suspicion. As I understand it, this is just affirming current law.
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