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There is a map here.

Look it over and get back to us.

China is far and away the world leader in rare earth metals. Russia and Brazil are in the top 5 or so. That's most of BRICs right there. Ukraine isn't that rich, except compared to most of the rest of the world. Why wouldn't Russia want to add that collection and deprive it from the US.

It is Cold War 101, look at the world where there are important areas due to resources or geography (Suez Canal for example) and try to control them.
Yeah, Putin doesn't mind NATO being in the Baltic states, and now Finland.
 
Ukraine is a corrupt country. It should not become a NATO member with its Article V protection. Right now Germany, the UK, and certainly the Baltics can’t defend themselves, so Uncle Sam gets to do that. Ukraine only increases our exposure.

I frankly don’t see a US interest in in Donbas being Ukrainian. In fact if Donbas is Ukrainian, chances are better for election of a Russian puppet in Ukraine.
You're right - it is, or was, a corrupt country. But it was moving toward a more western society when it was invaded by Russia.

The question isn't the virtue of Ukraine - it's the naked aggression being rewarded by ceding parts of a sovereign country to the aggressor.

If we're not going to promote democracy at any cost, as declared by JFK, then Trump should just say so and see what happens.

And just in case anyone forgets, the Soviet Union bankrolled the N. Vietnamese military, which killed 58,000 Americans. Why the sudden sympathy for a former Soviet KGM agent is a mystery to me.
 

I'm all for aid to Ukraine, but these leaders are crying crocodile tears.

No way the Russians could run supply lines to even Germany. Donkeys don't move that fast.
 
Good points. So we can throw away the reason the US needs to be there is because of a fear that Russia will attack NATO next, right?
I never bought that argument. Maybe 10 years from now, if they ever build their military back up after being destroyed by Ukraine. But not any time soon.

But that's the fear - let them get away with it now and why would they think they can't get away with it in the future?
 
You're right - it is, or was, a corrupt country. But it was moving toward a more western society when it was invaded by Russia.

The question isn't the virtue of Ukraine - it's the naked aggression being rewarded by ceding parts of a sovereign country to the aggressor.

If we're not going to promote democracy at y cost, as declared by JFK, then Trump should just say so and see what happens.

And just in case anyone forgets, the Soviet Union bankrolled the N. Vietnamese military, which killed 58,000 Americans. Why the sudden sympathy for a former Soviet KGM agent is a mystery to me.
Russia is not the USSR.
Putin is neither a Soviet nor a Communist.
Zelenskiy's term as President expired.
He is an illegitimate dictator bankrolled by the very worst American government actors.
Independent media, print and broadcast has been either banned or co-opted by the ruling clique. Elections have been suspended. Internet access is severely controlled. Eleven political parties are banned in Ukraine.
A real beauty, as they say in Oz.
 
Ukraine started the war in 2014.
Refusing to accept the referendum results in ethnic Russian populated areas of the Donbas, Ukraine, supported by Western logistics and intelligence instituted a terror campaign against civilian populations in eastern Ukraine. 14,000 Russian, Ukrainian and other civilian, militia and military personnel were killed in the Donbas prior to 2022. Mariupol. Kramatorsk, Sloviansk and Donetsk International Airport were indiscriminately shelled beginning in 2014.
What if parts of the US held a referendum to return to Mexico. Would it be OK with you if Mexico moved troops into the US to 'protect' the populace?

Would the US be at fault in that instance, for protecting its territory?
 
Russia is not the USSR.
Putin is neither a Soviet nor a Communist.
Zelenskiy's term as President expired.
He is an illegitimate dictator bankrolled by the very worst American government actors.
Independent media, print and broadcast has been either banned or co-opted by the ruling clique. Elections have been suspended. Internet access is severely controlled. Eleven political parties are banned in Ukraine.
A real beauty, as they say in Oz.
Russia is only different that the USSR in name only. It's still a 'Federation'.

Putin is KGB-trained and was a KGB officer in Easter Germany.

Putin kills his political rivals.

Ukraine is at war and under martial law, which wasn't true before Russian's latest invasion. The UK suspended elections during WWII. Not unusual.
 
Whatever. I'm not Turkish. lol
But Buck Dharma was

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What if parts of the US held a referendum to return to Mexico. Would it be OK with you if Mexico moved troops into the US to 'protect' the populace?

Would the US be at fault in that instance, for protecting its territory?
In your fantasy, prior to the referendum, did the US Federal government, by statute, mandate that Spanish could no longer be spoken? Were Hispanic citizens prevented from participating in Federal government positions?
Did US funded militias, some of them Nazi oriented, participate in acts of reprisal and repression against these Mexicans, to include artillery and missile attacks into civilian populations and the international airport? We're over 2 millions deprived of electricity and 85% of their water supply?

Don't bother answering.

It doesn't matter to me
 
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In your fantasy, prior to the referendum, did the US Federal government, by statute, mandate that Spanish could no longer be spoken? Were Hispanic citizens prevented from participating in Federal government positions?
Did US funded militias, some of them Nazi oriented, participate in acts of reprisal and repression against these Mexicans, to include artillery and missile attacks into civilian populations and the international airport? We're over 2 millions deprived of electricity and 85% of their water supply?

Don't bother answering.

It doesn't matter to me
Are you talking about Ukraine actions after the Little Green Men appeared in Donbas and took down an airliner?

Aren't you for cracking down on Mexican cartels in the US? Do you want members of a Mexican cartel in our governments?

Your last sentence regarding electricity and water supply is 100% Russian propaganda.
 
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What made you become a communist sympathizer?
No, you’re thinking USSR, Putin is a fascist autocrat. Trump aspires to be and the two I’m sure are comparing notes. Fortunately for America Trump is an old POS and can’t stay in office for 25 years like Putin, but the right in this country is hell bent on demolishing representative democracy.
 
Are you talking about Ukraine actions after the Little Green Men appeared in Donbas and took down an airliner?

Aren't you for cracking down on Mexican cartels in the US? Do you want members of a Mexican cartel in our governments?

Your last sentence regarding electricity and water supply is 100% Russian propaganda.
Dan..

The Upper Crimea Canal was built to provide water to Crimea, which is semi-arid.
The Ukraines built a dam to stop the water from reaching Crimea, reducing the fresh water supply to Crimea by 85%. 90% of the arable cropland in Crimea had to be taken out of production. 2.2 million inhabitants.
Dan, these were Ukrainian citizens for the most part. Their crime was being ethnic Russian and having Russian as their primary language. It is the same in the Donbas.
Don't get dragged down by the ****ing propaganda.
 
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Russia is not the USSR.
Putin is neither a Soviet nor a Communist.
Zelenskiy's term as President expired.
He is an illegitimate dictator bankrolled by the very worst American government actors.
Independent media, print and broadcast has been either banned or co-opted by the ruling clique. Elections have been suspended. Internet access is severely controlled. Eleven political parties are banned in Ukraine.
A real beauty, as they say in Oz.
Putin radiation poisons his political opposition. Give me a break.
 
Russia is not the USSR.
Putin is neither a Soviet nor a Communist.
Zelenskiy's term as President expired.
He is an illegitimate dictator bankrolled by the very worst American government actors.
Independent media, print and broadcast has been either banned or co-opted by the ruling clique. Elections have been suspended. Internet access is severely controlled. Eleven political parties are banned in Ukraine.
A real beauty, as they say in Oz.
Putin is a reactionary autocratic nationalist imperialist in the Russian tradition. He idolizes Catherine the Great (who incorporated Crimea). Has her portraits all over the Kremlin.
 
Russia is only different that the USSR in name only. It's still a 'Federation'.

Putin is KGB-trained and was a KGB officer in Easter Germany.

Putin kills his political rivals.

Ukraine is at war and under martial law, which wasn't true before Russian's latest invasion. The UK suspended elections during WWII. Not unusual.
But the US during WW2 held elections, as well as during the second Civil War, and Vietnam. The cross dressing comedian knows better than to conduct any kind of referendum on his leadership.
 
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I gotta say after reading this thread, if we ever find ourselves in a SHTF scenario, I'm keeping my side-eye permanently fixed on Mas. Dude is giving off some strong Red Dawn Mayor Bates Collaborator vibes.

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You'll be too tied up hiding, trying to stay warm and conserving your remaining cat food to worry about much of anything else.
 
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You'll be too tied up hiding, trying to stay warm and conserving your remaining cat food to worry about much of anything else.

You think so comrade? Okay, whatever ya say...heh. I'm still eyeballin' ya though. I'm sure you'll have cozied up to our Chinese/Zombie/Alien overlords enough to earn a cushy position working in the re-education camps.

Meanwhile in Mas-sa-suta land...

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Putin radiation poisons his political opposition. Give me a break.
Gonzalo Lira, American journalist, says' hold my...'.oh wait..he can't say anything. He died miserably in a Ukrainian prison....he posted critical memes of the little cross dresser...
 
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But the US during WW2 held elections, as well as during the second Civil War, and Vietnam. The cross dressing comedian knows better than to conduct any kind of referendum on his leadership.
The fighting wasn't in the US during WWII or Vietnam.

And it wasn't happening in the North after Lee was run out of Gettysburg in 1863. The North wasn't threatened by the election of 1864.
 
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Dan..

The Upper Crimea Canal was built to provide water to Crimea, which is semi-arid.
The Ukraines built a dam to stop the water from reaching Crimea, reducing the fresh water supply to Crimea by 85%. 90% of the arable cropland in Crimea had to be taken out of production. 2.2 million inhabitants.
Dan, these were Ukrainian citizens for the most part. Their crime was being ethnic Russian and having Russian as their primary language. It is the same in the Donbas.
Don't get dragged down by the ****ing propaganda.
Mas, the Ukranians shut it down AFTER the Russians invaded Crime.

That's just how wars are fought. The allies bombed Normandy and caused French casualties during WWII.

"Ukraine shut down the canal in 2014 soon after Russia annexed Crimea. Russia restored the flow of water in March 2022 during the Russian invasion of Ukraine."

 
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Mas, the Ukranians shut it down AFTER the Russians invaded Crime.

That's just how wars are fought. The allies bombed Normandy and caused French casualties during WWII.

"Ukraine shut down the canal in 2014 soon after Russia annexed Crimea. Russia restored the flow of water in March 2022 during the Russian invasion of Ukraine."


Good Lord man. Why are you bothering with someone has shown for years that he loves Russia and hates the US? He's gone
 
Good Lord man. Why are you bothering with someone has shown for years that he loves Russia and hates the US? He's gone
I bother with a lot of posters here who have been duped for years by the Democrat Party.
 
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