Indiana would be in the NCAA if Archie still here…Woodson has no clue.terrible hire. Kids come out of timeouts and never execute… Play with Zero energy…all on the coach…
Fire Woodson…
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He can keep up with the grind. He coached in the NBA for 25 years and the college season isn’t even half as long and nowhere near the travel.
If Archie were still here half the players on the team wouldn’t have come back. Very little evidence to support he’d have Indiana in the tournament considering he didn’t make it once while he was here.
This team literally improved by one game in the big ten and returned most of its roster. Woodson simply looks like another bad hire. But thats IU for you.
Both have been a disappointment. Koop was a roll of the portal dice that came up snake eyes.
What? One of the best defensive teams plays with zero energy? Energy is not our problem. Talent to create shots and the ability to make open shots is our problem. This game like several others this year we win going away if the players make the wide open shots Woodson’s offense is getting them.
We returned 2 starters. Kopp and Stewart are huge downgrades from Franklin and Durham. On top of that both Galloway and Rob (probably our 3rd-ish and 5th-ish best players) both missed significant time this year due to injuries. This roster is significantly worse than last years imo.
Congrats on the dumbest post of the day. You upped smitty, somehow.
I'm not sure you can say that, look at the cards he's been dealt. I'm not sure that Archie was that bad a technical coach either, he just had no personality and no personality equaled no good recruits and the name on the jersey or what number they can offer you only sells so much. Talented kids want to play for good, exciting teams. Archie was the antitheses of that, not to mention his door mat personality, he couldn't but leftovers, and that's what Woody inherited, the same flawed team with a couple patches from places that weren't good and players that don't know how to win. There is a culture of losing and not building teams going on. Yeah, Leal, Mr. BBall from IN ... looks great on paper, but there's no tear in their beer at UK for having missed on him. There might be at Rose Hulman or Wabash, that's what we're dealing with
We were all shocked by the hire I think Mike is a great guy but right now he is in over his head. I for one would love to see Matta take over if healthy he is proven Fife hasn't did anything besides be a assistant to Izzo.
Hey, we already did it your way and look what happened. Rutgers had at least two good three-point shooters and it seemed inevitable they were going to wind down the clock and hit one unless we fouled first.
I'd rather have 10 seconds left to come back than just two seconds.
True but Galloway and Rob both play better D than Kopp and Stewart. Plus while they can’t shoot like them they add other things to the offense, like being able to get more than one assist per game. They are offensively flawed as well but I would take them both over Stewart and Kopp. Especially in crunch time.
What could there be "systemically wrong" in IU sports that would cause Woodson to be unsuccessful?
I really hope Kopp does not come back he offers nothing and is a bad shooter.
Unfortunately I agree with you. I am still rooting for IU players to improve and develop but we have a serious lack of playmakers problem. I truly thought both Kopp and Stewart would be better at creating than what they are. Fingers crossed the guards/wings Woodson is getting prove much better than what we have now in a couple years.
Do you understand simple math? You certainly don't have a grasp of simple statistics.
Woodson has been here only one year and you want him fired. I say give him a chance to learn just like all new players have to learn. To me it’s more on the players than the coach. Our guys don’t seem to have the killer instinct, especially in the second half. Sorry but I don’t have the answer but there has to be a way to keep the players focused and close out a game. Let Woodson do some recruiting and see what he comes out with. If not good than bye bye. Put Fife in charge.
We should just hire a new coach every season.
Woodson didn't miss the shots. Woodson put the team in positions to make the shots. His job as coach is to put the team in the best position to score the basketball. He inherited the team and added the best talent he could in a very short period of time. Without the additions, we'd be madder than hell right now.
He's a good coach that needs to learn the college game while recruiting players who excel in his program. Give him time - he'll be fine.
Yep. I'm sure every great coach in America would line up after firing a guy after one season. Some of these people need to join reality.
Better yet, we should just let individual posters from The Hoosier alternate game day duties. We'd have a title in no time.
In all seriousness, very disgruntled with the way the season ended. Just a mentally weak team. I know it's not an extension of Fife and it sure as hell isn't of Woody as both of them were absolute dogs when they played in Bloomington. If it takes a completely gutted roster at the conclusion of the year then so be it, but this current program is going nowhere regardless of the coach until we get some badasses on the roster. Giddy up Woodson.
His job is also to assemble the team. The players missing shots were players he either brought in or re-recruited. It falls on him either way.
I agree but the roster is garbage. I'm willing to see how he does with some of his own recruits. It's time for some bloodletting. Some of these guys shouldn't be allowed to stick around.
We won’t see most of his recruits for 2-3 years. Freshmen hardly ever make a big impact. JHS is the only instant impact player in either the 2022 or 2023 class.
Recall Woodson before the season and early on...He said they would focus on defensive toughness...and that the offense would come around. The transfers that came in didn't get that memo....or...Woodson didn't get the memo that his transfers weren't shooters...while the returning players didn't get either memo. Being invited to the NCAA championship tournament has become about as difficult for the basketball team as it is for the football team.
I have seem some dumb comments on this forum and this one is right up there.
I can see dogging the players since I am not sure if any of them have been on a winning BT roster but the coaches?
Woodson that was on teams that were VERY successful in his time at IU. BT most valuable player? Pretty decent NBA coach. Matta, IIRC, the most successful coach at OSU with success before that at Butler (Yea, I know, he is not a coach by title)? Fife, a kick ass player and long time assistant at MSU during some of their VERY good years?
Maybe let yourself calm down before posting!
Woodson’s time at IU is irrelevant. That was 40 years ago. He was beyond mediocre as NBA coach, and has proven he doesn’t get it as a college coach.
Laughable for your to include Matta in this. If Woodson wasn’t too arrogant and actually used Matta, we wouldn’t be in this situation. There is no better resource for Woodson than Matta, and yet they never speak.
Fife is only an assistant because Dolson wanted him to be. Woodson didn’t want him and treats him as such. Again, Woodson too arrogant to use his best resources.
By all accounts, the only “staff” Woodson listens to are Armond Hill, Jim Todd, and Randy Whitman. All NBA guys.
It’s refreshing to see that IU fans aren’t as gullible as they were with Crean and Archie. Those guys could not get an ounce of criticism their first few years. Had we been more realistic back then I firmly believe we wouldn’t be in this mess today. It’s all a snowball effect. The days of the Crean cult are directly responsible for this mess.
If that is indeed true than the Dolson experiment if a failure and both Matta and Fife will probably leave.
Crean got the three year honeymoon because he started with nothing. I still never thought he should have gotten that he should have been winning by year three. Whey the heck Archie got a pass the first few years I will never know but it was clear he was not up to the job. I think the fact we have missed six straight NCAA tourneys and only made 4 of the last 14 has really caused people to lose patience like they used to have . Plus they are tired of the whole oh you got to wait four years to see if it is going to work crap because that is simply not true. The guy at Arizona is winning big from day one. We will know next year if this is going to work or not. You will be able to tell if Woodson is making any progress with players or if it is another dumpster fire chances are he is in over his head.
I can’t remember a coach in D1 basketball who got less than 3 years without off the court issues or a complete collapse with like <10 wins after being better than that prior to them coming.
What coach would risk leaving a team to coach at IU if they didn’t think they would get 3-4 years before being fired?
