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Feast week does not disappoint

Even with summer hype.
I never thought this team was 2nd or 3rd..
Now..It's more like 6th or 7th..
And that could be wishful thinking...
3/4ths of the coaches in this league would easily have our team in the top 3 this year. We have insane talent. Myles rice was amazing last year. Woody wants him to give it to Ballo at the top of the key.
 
3/4ths of the coaches in this league would easily have our team in the top 3 this year. We have insane talent. Myles rice was amazing last year. Woody wants him to give it to Ballo at the top of the key.
I question the idea that our talent is insane. We have more talent than last year, but the same level of coaching.

11-9 was my guess at the beginning of the season. After watching some games, I think that's going to take some luck.
 
3/4ths of the coaches in this league would easily have our team in the top 3 this year. We have insane talent. Myles rice was amazing last year. Woody wants him to give it to Ballo at the top of the key.
Cav,
You may be right. But it is difficult for me to tell we have insane talent when we get steam rolled by other teams. Those teams seem to have insane talent in comparison. But the coaching component is critical.
One lacking talent category is outside shooting. If MM is defended well we dont have reliable perimeter scoring.
 
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Cav,
You may be right. But it is difficult for me to tell we have insane talent when we get steam rolled by other teams. Those teams seem to have insane talent in comparison. But the coaching component is critical.
One lacking talent category is outside shooting. If MM is defended well we dont have reliable perimeter scoring.
This team won’t make the ncaa this year
 
3/4ths of the coaches in this league would easily have our team in the top 3 this year. We have insane talent. Myles rice was amazing last year. Woody wants him to give it to Ballo at the top of the key.
Isn’t it insane, giving the ball at the top of the key to Ballo to start the offense? Just makes my blood boil.
 
Isn’t it insane, giving the ball at the top of the key to Ballo to start the offense? Just makes my blood boil.
No it's not insane, it's a Princeton high post set, generally going into a sideline zoom, with other options available and it's not the whole offense.. lmao. Some of you are hilarious, you ask for movement and off ball screening and when we run something with movement and off ball screening, you complain, just to complain, without even understanding what you're complaining about.

There's actually things worth criticizing, that ain't it .. maybe instead actually watch the whole play not just the ball and then complain that it gets players open but we instead focus on getting the ball to the wrong player on the block instead of the open shooter who can shoot or rotate the ball ..
 
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No it's not insane, it's a Princeton high post set, generally going into a sideline zoom, with other options available and it's not the whole offense.. lmao. Some of you are hilarious, you ask for movement and off ball screening and when we run something with movement and off ball screening, you complain, just to complain, without even understanding what you're complaining about.

There's actually things worth criticizing, that ain't it .. maybe instead actually watch the whole play not just the ball and then complain that it gets players open but we instead focus on getting the ball to the wrong player on the block instead of the open shooter who can shoot or rotate the ball ..
No.
 
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No it's not insane, it's a Princeton high post set, generally going into a sideline zoom, with other options available and it's not the whole offense.. lmao. Some of you are hilarious, you ask for movement and off ball screening and when we run something with movement and off ball screening, you complain, just to complain, without even understanding what you're complaining about.

There's actually things worth criticizing, that ain't it .. maybe instead actually watch the whole play not just the ball and then complain that it gets players open but we instead focus on getting the ball to the wrong player on the block instead of the open shooter who can shoot or rotate the ball ..
We run that set but when we throw to the post nobody moves. The female announcer in Bahamas pointed it out a number of times.
 
Cav,
You may be right. But it is difficult for me to tell we have insane talent when we get steam rolled by other teams. Those teams seem to have insane talent in comparison. But the coaching component is critical.
One lacking talent category is outside shooting. If MM is defended well we dont have reliable perimeter scoring.
I think our defense is really why we suck so much. Our constant over helping and switching is so bad. We are lost always. Everyone has to be on the same page, and we aren’t even reading the same book.
 
We run that set but when we throw to the post nobody moves
There's movement while the set is run. No one needs to move on the post entry pass especially when they're the guy on the 3 line with their defender 10' away from them. The ball needs to move.. The problem isn't the set, it's too much emphasis on big to big passing, or post scoring, instead of inside out passing. We need more balance.
 
I think our defense is really why we suck so much. Our constant over helping and switching is so bad. We are lost always. Everyone has to be on the same page, and we aren’t even reading the same book.
It’s positioning …watch how many times the wing defender is in a position that is not fundamentally sound. Ass facing lane as opposed to baseline. Elementary stuff.
 
There's movement while the set is run. No one needs to move on the post entry pass especially when they're the guy on the 3 line with their defender 10' away from them. The ball needs to move.. The problem isn't the set, it's too much emphasis on big to big passing, or post scoring, instead of inside out passing. We need more balance.
We need an inside out game or a cutter moving to the ball. We have zero offensive rebounding also with the way we stand around the perimeter
 
Isn’t it insane, giving the ball at the top of the key to Ballo to start the offense? Just makes my blood boil.
A lot of teams do it and Ballo proved early against Gonzaga that he was effective. The action before entry is awful and our gaurds can't consistently create a good entry angle. And there is that part where Ballo and our gaurds routinely get outrun to the other end.
 
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We need an inside out game or a cutter moving to the ball. We have zero offensive rebounding also with the way we stand around the perimeter
There's a two cutters on that play, plus a weakside shift, and multiple other options.

Offensive rebounding has everything to do with ball watching and effort and very little with offensive positioning.

Same with the defensive side, they don't box out well and don't anticipate or react quickly to long rebounds. I suspect they're more concerned with getting down court in transition.
 
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This team won’t make the ncaa this year
I don’t see them making it either. The whole non conference schedule was dependent on a good showing in the Bahamas and we shit the bed. Nothing is going to change as far as how we play. Occasionally we will out talent someone, but we will never be able to beat good teams consistently with Woodson on our sideline. I would guess we are looking at a .500 record in the B1G.
 
A lot of teams do it and Ballo proved early against Gonzaga that he was effective. The action before entry is awful and our gaurds can't consistently create a good entry angle. And there is that part where Ballo and our gaurds routinely get outrun to the other end.
Sorry I disagree. It’s not effective. Just a few times as a trial, I like to see MaBako, a wing and three guards run a five out offense. Doesn’t have to be all the time. Of course it’s never going to happen. We’re going to dribble dribble dribble force it down low and more plodding dribble dribble dribble.
 
There's a two cutters on that play, plus a weakside shift, and multiple other options.

Offensive rebounding has everything to do with ball watching and effort and very little with offensive positioning.

Same with the defensive side, they don't box out well and don't anticipate or react quickly to long rebounds. I suspect they're more concerned with getting down court in transition.
transition to what? looking for the best place to go stand
 
Even with summer hype.
I never thought this team was 2nd or 3rd..
Now..It's more like 6th or 7th..
And that could be wishful thinking...
Personally I am just a little below "wishful thinking". Teams can change over the season but IU teams are consistent under Woodson. I see a lot of B1G teams that are going to give them trouble. This IU team is still not tough enough to win a close ballgame on the road in the B1G. I think they will find UCLA and Oregon to be a lot more athletic than B1G teams they have played in the past.

Let's see .. 18 teams in the B1G ... Based on what I have seen so far ... middle of the pack ... 9th or 10th in the B1G.
 
I don’t see them making it either. The whole non conference schedule was dependent on a good showing in the Bahamas and we shit the bed. Nothing is going to change as far as how we play. Occasionally we will out talent someone, but we will never be able to beat good teams consistently with Woodson on our sideline. I would guess we are looking at a .500 record in the B1G.
Like I said the other day, IU will get an upset win or two this year like always, win a few games in a row to get our hopes up and then lose 5 in a row to drive us insane. At the most they are a bubble team come March.
 
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Sorry I disagree. It’s not effective. Just a few times as a trial, I like to see MaBako, a wing and three guards run a five out offense. Doesn’t have to be all the time. Of course it’s never going to happen. We’re going to dribble dribble dribble force it down low and more plodding dribble dribble dribble.
You forgot the stand, stand, stand and then hand it off to the player next to you drawing your defender to the ball. Teams will take away Reneau and Mgbako's 3 point shots, then what?
 
Defensively, our positioning and rotations are awful. Its better when Carlyle is in the game. But overall, its just really, really bad. Also our transition defense is really bad too. As much as I harp on our offense, I do think our defense and rebounding are the most glaring weaknesses. Louisville and Gonzaga made us look really, really bad defensively...with just a little bit of ball movement. Most teams that move the ball around even a little bit, have made Woodson coached defenses look bad.

Offensively, you can see glimmers of effectiveness. I think our biggest weakness now offensively is a complete lack of any sort of consistency with the types of things we're running. With the end result being that basically none of our players are ever comfortable or in rhythm. I do think within the various new things we're running, there is still way too much ISO type efforts. We definitely run sets and offenses that should be promoting more ball movement, but more often than not, after a couple passes, that movement dies. We're also still shooting a fair amount of very inefficient shots...like 19 foot jumpers off the dribble, 15 foot floaters, etc...

Fixing the defense and rebounding would consume nearly 100% of my practice time if I were Woody. If we were to get better getting stops and rebounding off those stops, it would allow us to get out in transition more...where we're fairly decent.
 
Defensively, our positioning and rotations are awful. Its better when Carlyle is in the game. But overall, its just really, really bad. Also our transition defense is really bad too. As much as I harp on our offense, I do think our defense and rebounding are the most glaring weaknesses. Louisville and Gonzaga made us look really, really bad defensively...with just a little bit of ball movement. Most teams that move the ball around even a little bit, have made Woodson coached defenses look bad.

Offensively, you can see glimmers of effectiveness. I think our biggest weakness now offensively is a complete lack of any sort of consistency with the types of things we're running. With the end result being that basically none of our players are ever comfortable or in rhythm. I do think within the various new things we're running, there is still way too much ISO type efforts. We definitely run sets and offenses that should be promoting more ball movement, but more often than not, after a couple passes, that movement dies. We're also still shooting a fair amount of very inefficient shots...like 19 foot jumpers off the dribble, 15 foot floaters, etc...

Fixing the defense and rebounding would consume nearly 100% of my practice time if I were Woody. If we were to get better getting stops and rebounding off those stops, it would allow us to get out in transition more...where we're fairly decent.
Can’t understand season after season such crappy blocking out.
 
Fixing the defense and rebounding would consume nearly 100% of my practice time if I were Woody. If we were to get better getting stops and rebounding off those stops, it would allow us to get out in transition more...where we're fairly decent.
He said at the beginning of the year that he wanted to get out and run more this season. Can't do that unless you play good D and rebound. That's just as frustrating to me as all the talk about free flowing modern offense. He just talks to talk at this point.
 
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He said at the beginning of the year that he wanted to get out and run more this season. Can't do that unless you play good D and rebound. That's just as frustrating to me as all the talk about free flowing modern offense. He just talks to talk at this point.
At this point, I honestly think he's just really, really bad at teaching/implementing these things. You can tell they're trying different things, especially offensively. But the ball dies, waaayyyy too much. My best educated guess is with the defense being as poor as it is, that in practice they're pretty effective with getting good looks with the various offensive stuff we run, within a couple passes. So there aren't a lot of teaching moments naturally available for the offensive side. So when opponents in games do take away some things, they really aren't equipped to keep the ball movement going...and it degrades down to ISO ball, long jumpers off the dribble, late shot clock attempts, etc...

And then...since its the same issues we've seen defensively since he arrived, whatever he's doing or working on, on that side of the ball, isn't very effective.

Because of these issues, and their persistence with all his teams...I have zero faith he'll be able to adequately fix it this year. Honestly, I think we'll end up a bubble team again this year.
 
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At this point, I honestly think he's just really, really bad at teaching/implementing these things. You can tell they're trying different things, especially offensively. But the ball dies, waaayyyy too much. My best educated guess is with the defense being as poor as it is, that in practice they're pretty effective with getting good looks with the various offensive stuff we run, within a couple passes. So there aren't a lot of teaching moments naturally available for the offensive side. So when opponents in games do take away some things, they really aren't equipped to keep the ball movement going...and it degrades down to ISO ball, long jumpers off the dribble, late shot clock attempts, etc...

And then...since its the same issues we've seen defensively since he arrived, whatever he's doing or working on, on that side of the ball, isn't very effective.

Because of these issues, and their persistence with all his teams...I have zero faith he'll be able to adequately fix it this year. Honestly, I think we'll end up a bubble team again this year.
We've seen the ISO, long 2s late in the clock, and standing around watching the post for the last 3 seasons. I'm afraid it's not a bug in the system that needs to be corrected; rather, it's a feature.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in practice. I imagine it being high effort, but low results, similar to our games.

Still early in the season. Maybe they miraculously get it together as some posters claim will happen with more games under their belt.
 
I question the idea that our talent is insane. We have more talent than last year, but the same level of coaching.

11-9 was my guess at the beginning of the season. After watching some games, I think that's going to take some luck.
I suppose one could be talking about just players when using the word “talent”. Coaching will determine how successful a team is with the talent.



Defensively, our positioning and rotations are awful. Its better when Carlyle is in the game. But overall, its just really, really bad. Also our transition defense is really bad too. As much as I harp on our offense, I do think our defense and rebounding are the most glaring weaknesses. Louisville and Gonzaga made us look really, really bad defensively...with just a little bit of ball movement. Most teams that move the ball around even a little bit, have made Woodson coached defenses look bad.

Offensively, you can see glimmers of effectiveness. I think our biggest weakness now offensively is a complete lack of any sort of consistency with the types of things we're running. With the end result being that basically none of our players are ever comfortable or in rhythm. I do think within the various new things we're running, there is still way too much ISO type efforts. We definitely run sets and offenses that should be promoting more ball movement, but more often than not, after a couple passes, that movement dies. We're also still shooting a fair amount of very inefficient shots...like 19 foot jumpers off the dribble, 15 foot floaters, etc...

Fixing the defense and rebounding would consume nearly 100% of my practice time if I were Woody. If we were to get better getting stops and rebounding off those stops, it would allow us to get out in transition more...where we're fairly decent.
Our post play has been a black hole for the offense. TJD improved in that aspect, but passing out of the post is poor. What percentage of post player assists are to another big, seems high to me? The post to post assists may result is some good shots (lob / dunks), but they don’t make the offense more dynamic.
 
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Right now UCLA is first in the country in points allowed with opponents averaging around 52 ppg. They have had a weak pre conference schedule but still 52 ppg is impressive.

Maryland is 10th-58.6.

IU is 158th in rebounds allowed at 35 rpg allowed.
 
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Right now UCLA is first in the country in points allowed with opponents averaging around 52 ppg. They have had a weak pre conference schedule but still 52 ppg is impressive.

Maryland is 10th-58.6.
I've yet to see UCLA, Wash, Ore, or Nebraska play a minute. I've caught at least stretches of everyone else. It looks to me like the conference will be tough, and the Zags gave everyone the blueprint for defending us.

 
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