Ehhh, let's just get the East Side suites done first.
Entertainment districts have actually become a fixture at a number of professional stadiums. It’s not surprising that colleges would want to explore similar options. It makes great sense in a number of ways.
I won't get into the weight rooms (shared or Cook) debate as that goes nowhere.
IU could build where the orange lot is, but frankly it isn't that big of a need given the ccurrent tailgate facilities and the unusually large selection of restaturants and bars a short drive away.
Facilities are a never ending project. If you ever get to see us play on the road, take some time and try to see other school’s facilities (It’s often surprisingly easy to get into places, and most places and people are really friendly as long as you’re not watching practices). Our facilities are good, but they don’t stand out, which is what I think we need to do. And it’s not about the stadium . . . we aren’t changing that materially any time soon. It’s the training facilities, including indoor practice ones. Lots of impressive ones out there. But it’s not like we’re working out in a shed or running around on dirt and crab grass, either. We just need to be constantly updating.
The Mellencamp Pavilion is probably the next facility due for either a major renovation or complete rebuild.
Here in Florida at the Hard Rock stadium there are eight Dolphin home football games in the regular season plus a couple of preseason games and now there might actually be some postseason games. There are a number of concerts including some ridiculous three day hard Rock festival that cost something like $800 a ticket. Did I mention Beyonce will be there this summer There is the Miami Open tennis tournament. Formula 1 racing. Oh and the Miami hurricanes also play their home games there. There are Indian reservation casinos nearby.... The list goes on and that is with a facility that can be used 12 months of the year.
I think next major project should be a greatly expanded press box, with suites. I think anything on the east side is way out there.
Cook will likely be updated and possibly expanded.
Esat side suites were researched and there ar more candidates then there are suites. That project was put on hold during covid but the burner has been turned back up . There was a fair bit of discussion about it during the spring football weekend.
Our press box is just looks ridiculously outdated. If they could lower the height and expand it, it would look more modern and be more functional in terms of suites.
When you say 'candidates', so you mean corporations and individuals that want them?
It’s not that you don’t make the rules . . . It’s that you don’t understand the rules.
Yes. Interest was discussed more than once pre covid and there was enough to sell an initial set of suites.
The thing does look silly way up there. Problem is the height as compared to the east side. Yes the Sun can be hot on a Sept afternoon but very welcome in Late October on. AC for the hot days and heat for the cold.
Greenspan explored suites and so did Glass. I still have renderings RG had commissioned by HOK that showed suites at the top of the East stands. Unfortunately, there’s never been any meaningful willingness by anyone to make a financial commitment to build them, which is what it would take to initiate a capital campaign. Just a fact of life for us right now.
The advantage is that the area becomes a year-round destination, the way the Battery has become for the Braves/Cobb County.
If you have spent much time in one or used one to entertain clients… you wouldn’t ask that question.
You make some great points but facilities need to be up to date for both athletes and fans (different aspects).you're more than welcome to give everyone a tutorial on NIL rules.
good luck with that.
that said, any NIL rule you come up with, i can come up with a way to legally circumvent in 10 seconds.
which means everyone else can too. which means everyone else will, not doing so already.
we have great facilities, and additional brick and mortar spending is lots of dollars for extremely marginal gain.
and no recruit gives two shts whether IU has more luxury suits.
they do care about full stadiums and atmosphere though.
that said, what exactly is the goal of the administration on 17th st??
is it to put winning teams on the field/court, or is it to chase revenue by catering spending to the 1%???
if it's about putting winning teams on the field, then more expensive construction for marginal incremental gain, if any, is a terrible use of financial resources.
again, every few mil in construction, which doesn't buy much construction, is a few mil that could have gone to an elite QB, a couple great tackles, a couple great receivers, and some high end pass rushers.
you can say "it doesn't work like that", and i'll respond with how beyond naive are you.
the facilities war was waged as a way to entice recruits without actually paying them, albeit an incredibly inefficient one from a bang for the buck perspective.
with NIL, there are far more efficient and results oriented ways to spend money on getting recruits.
again, NIL wasn't my idea, and no one flat hates, loathes, and despises, what current "leadership" is doing to college sports more than i.
but the second buying players became legal, which effectively is now the situation no matter how much one wants to pretend otherwise, money dumped into construction in hopes of some tangential positive recruiting benefit, is far far far more efficiently used going straight to Jimmy and Joe.
again, NIL isn't my idea and i absolutely loathe it.
that said, as long as it how the game is being played, which it now is, those not playing it to win will lose out to those that do.
that QB, that end rusher, that left tackle, that tight end, that receiver, that LB, that point guard, that shooting guard, would all rather have the money than the Italian marble showers or gold plated bar bells in the weight room.
and luxury suites is the last thing they care about.
don't believe me? just ask them.
you're more than welcome to give everyone a tutorial on NIL rules.
good luck with that.
that said, any NIL rule you come up with, i can come up with a way to legally circumvent in 10 seconds.
which means everyone else can too. which means everyone else will, not doing so already.
we have great facilities, and additional brick and mortar spending is lots of dollars for extremely marginal gain.
and no recruit gives two shts whether IU has more luxury suites.
they do care about full stadiums and atmosphere though.
that said, what exactly is the goal of the administration on 17th st??
is it to put winning teams on the field/court, or is it to chase revenue by catering spending to the 1%???
if it's about putting winning teams on the field, then more expensive construction for marginal incremental gain, if any, is a terrible use of financial resources.
again, every few mil in construction, which doesn't buy much construction, is a few mil that could have gone to an elite QB, a couple great tackles, a couple great receivers, and some high end pass rushers.
you can say "it doesn't work like that", and i'll respond with how beyond naive are you.
the facilities war was waged as a way to entice recruits without actually paying them, albeit an incredibly inefficient one from a bang for the buck perspective.
with NIL, there are far more efficient and results oriented ways to spend money on getting recruits.
again, NIL wasn't my idea, and no one flat hates, loathes, and despises, what current "leadership" is doing to college sports more than i.
but the second buying players became legal, which effectively is now the situation no matter how much one wants to pretend otherwise, money dumped into construction in hopes of some tangential positive recruiting benefit, is far far far more efficiently used going straight to Jimmy and Joe.
again, NIL isn't my idea and i absolutely loathe it.
that said, as long as it how the game is being played, which it now is, those not playing it to win will lose out to those that do.
that QB, that end rusher, that left tackle, that tight end, that receiver, that LB, that point guard, that shooting guard, would all rather have the money than the Italian marble showers or gold plated bar bells in the weight room.
and luxury suites is the last thing they care about.
don't believe me? just ask them.
Any Power 5 school demanding that players “assign over” their NIL rights in exchange for a scholarship will find themselves at the very bottom of their conference standings in football and basketball, since the only players who would do such a foolish thing would be competitively inferior. In other words, it’s not happening.
Lilly from AT&T, (ie the actress who plays her), has the right to earn off her name image and likeness.
if putting "Lilly" under contract, AT&T or the ad/talent agency has the right to have Lilly assign over said NIL rights for whatever specified length of time or scope as specified contractually, in exchange for whatever compensation Lilly got in said agreement with AT&T or the agency or both.
Jimmy Rayl, George McGinnis, Isiah Thomas, Steve Alford, Damon, all had the right to earn off their NIL.
until they signed a scholly with IU in exchange for free tuition and room and board, for which they assigned over their NIL rights to IU for the length of time they were under the scholly contract.
point being, players always had NIL rights until they assigned over said rights in exchange for compensation. (the scholly in this case).
the fact that players have NIL rights today, doesn't mean they can't be required to assign over said rights to the schools, just as they always had done in the past.
point being, i don't see why NIL rights can't be assigned over to schools as a condition of a scholly and eligibility as an amateur, just as they always were in the past.
not a lawyer, but what has changed that schools can't have players assign over said NIL rights as they always had in the past.
what exactly is the language of the SCOTUS ruling??
that said, i don't think schools/the NCAA ever set out to screw kids over in the past in mandating they assign over said NIL rights.
they did so only, because not doing so would give everyone an easy workaround to rules baring schools from paying players.. thus being pros instead of amateurs in an amateur sport.
just as it will be an easy workaround today.
point being, why can't schools still mandate kids assign over said NIL rights now, as in the past, and save NCAA sports as amateur we knew it.
on a side note, i do realize the NCAA requiring all schools to do so would be an FTC anti trust violation. (anti competitive collusion).
that said, not allowing schools to pay players, all pro league salary caps, all pro league player drafts, are all anti trust violations which the govt exempts said organizations from in the name of competitiveness.
i don't want to deny any individual the ability to market their talent if they so choose.
but there are numerous pro leagues said players can market their talent to.
i encourage all wishing to profit off their ability and work to just go pro, and get whatever they can for their talents.
what i don't want, is NCAA amateur sports being hijacked from within to become another pro league, because that's much easier due to the already established fan base, facilities, etc, than said individuals starting their own pro league, which is exactly what's going on here.
and i don't want schools being forced into bidding wars for players under the guise of NIL, which also is exactly what's going on here and only going to get worse.
players who want paid, go pro.. you have every right, and the ability to do so.
entrenched administrators who want to hijack college sports from within in a coup to make the NCAA their own new pro league, just go start your own new pro league if that's what you want to do.
don't steal from within what others, not yourselves, established over the last 100 plus yrs, just because that's a hundred times easier and faster than starting your own pro league from scratch.
point being, schools/the NCAA act like this is all being forced on them, and they have no choice in the matter.
i highly question the validity of that public stance.
I am not naive at all. I fully understand the levels of influence and direction that the ADs hold when making NIL decisions. But the money has to come from boosters like you, me and the $50 HH guys.
Lilly from AT&T, (ie the actress who plays her), has the right to earn off her name image and likeness.
if putting "Lilly" under contract, AT&T or the ad/talent agency has the right to have Lilly assign over said NIL rights for whatever specified length of time or scope as specified contractually, in exchange for whatever compensation Lilly got in said agreement with AT&T or the agency or both.
Jimmy Rayl, George McGinnis, Isiah Thomas, Steve Alford, Damon, all had the right to earn off their NIL.
until they signed a scholly with IU in exchange for free tuition and room and board, for which they assigned over their NIL rights to IU for the length of time they were under the scholly contract.
point being, players always had NIL rights until they assigned over said rights in exchange for compensation. (the scholly in this case).
the fact that players have NIL rights today, doesn't mean they can't be required to assign over said rights to the schools, just as they always had done in the past.
point being, i don't see why NIL rights can't be assigned over to schools as a condition of a scholly and eligibility as an amateur, just as they always were in the past.
not a lawyer, but what has changed that schools can't have players assign over said NIL rights as they always had in the past.
what exactly is the language of the SCOTUS ruling??
that said, i don't think schools/the NCAA ever set out to screw kids over in the past in mandating they assign over said NIL rights.
they did so only, because not doing so would give everyone an easy workaround to rules baring schools from paying players.. thus being pros instead of amateurs in an amateur sport.
just as it will be an easy workaround today.
point being, why can't schools still mandate kids assign over said NIL rights now, as in the past, and save NCAA sports as amateur we knew it.
on a side note, i do realize the NCAA requiring all schools to do so would be an FTC anti trust violation. (anti competitive collusion).
that said, not allowing schools to pay players, all pro league salary caps, all pro league player drafts, are all anti trust violations which the govt exempts said organizations from in the name of competitiveness.
i don't want to deny any individual the ability to market their talent if they so choose.
but there are numerous pro leagues said players can market their talent to.
i encourage all wishing to profit off their ability and work to just go pro, and get whatever they can for their talents.
what i don't want, is NCAA amateur sports being hijacked from within to become another pro league, because that's much easier due to the already established fan base, facilities, etc, than said individuals starting their own pro league, which is exactly what's going on here.
and i don't want schools being forced into bidding wars for players under the guise of NIL, which also is exactly what's going on here and only going to get worse.
players who want paid, go pro.. you have every right, and the ability to do so.
entrenched administrators who want to hijack college sports from within in a coup to make the NCAA their own new pro league, just go start your own new pro league if that's what you want to do.
don't steal from within what others, not yourselves, established over the last 100 plus yrs, just because that's a hundred times easier and faster than starting your own pro league from scratch.
point being, schools/the NCAA act like this is all being forced on them, and they have no choice in the matter.
i highly question the validity of that public stance.
