That's a massive assumption to think Pearl is leaving Auburn to coach IU. I'm guessing this is Woody's last year and many are going to be "disappointed" with the next hire. It's not going to be a proven winner at a P4 school (Pearl, Oats, Beard, Drew) or someone currently connected to the NBA (Donovan and Stevens) and I bet it's unlikely Dusty May leaves either.
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Pearl has a real good thing going at Auburn right now. Consistently producing a top 10 bball team at a fball crazed school. Unless he really longs to be the IU basketball savior, he'd be nuts to leave there anytime soon.
It matters plenty. AD doesn't hire fans choice A, B, or C who they have convinced themselves will win the national title in 1-2 years and when AD's choice doesn't live up to expectations overnight they're out for blood. Rinse, wash, repeat. It's the same vicious cycle we've been going through the last quarter century.
If IU starts playing good, modern basketball and recruiting well, the fans will love it.
Our fans have never expected anything overnight. That's a myth. We just saw it with Woody -- he won one tourney game in two years and had very high approval going into year three.
What are you talking about? I literally responded to a post where the OP stated that IU's floor with Bruce Pearl is the S16. Bruce Pearl's been at Auburn 9 years and has made it past the first weekend exactly one time despite regularly being ranked in the top 10 and getting whatever kind of talent he wants.
what's the alternative. odds our eventually someone will get it right. the Woodson choice made no sense at the time.
He's also 64. Very likely that he'd plan to retire there. Why move from a good thing into a rebuild at that age?
Firing a coach every 3-5 years for the last 25 years lessens the applicant pool each and every time the job is open. It's why guys like Pearl or Oats or Drew would never consider IU today.
I'm talking about what actually happened at IU with respect to fan support for a coach. We didn't have overnight success in two years with Woody, but support was still strong for him.
1st off no one's floor is the sweet 16 every year, great Kansas Duke UK teams over the years have been upset in the 1st weekend it happens. IU should be a top 15 team almost every year. that should be the expectation. tourney successes will come when you get to that level
Those coaches know why IU's coaches were fired -- poor performance. And they would never imagine performing as poorly as our coaches have.
that's bullshit, previously IU would have never considered Pearl Oats or Drew, also those 3 had to make a name for themselves before they reached the top of the food chain. name me the last big-name coach that anyone was able to hire away from another program?
I don't disagree with you, but it was literally said less than 30 minutes ago
Every time this job opens up the names mentioned are unrealistic candidates. It's been Brad Stevens for the last decade and will be again in the Spring. And after that it's the best coach not coaching at a traditional blue blood. I don't think IU fans have the firmest grip on reality as to where the IU job stands today.
totally agree with that. big time coaches don't make lateral moves. but to say IU isn't a desirable job is nonsense. the powers that be thought Archie was the man. most agreed, didn't work out got scared to go back to the hot name guy chose Woodson, Illinois is the perfect example hired gross didn't work out see ya, Underwood almost immediate and what looks like sustainable success. outside of Roy Williams going back to N Carolina or getting a coach with a checkered past {pearl pitino cal } there are no sure things, what's realistic was dusty may, Michigan saw that
I am not assuming or expecting it. I am only saying if we did and he was here, this is the level of success I think we'd achieve with him.
Underwood was awful his first two years. Literally the worst 2 year stretch in over 50 years. I doubt a coach survives this fanbase they way Underwood performed his first two seasons at Illinois. You lose the fanbase here, you're done. Archie lost the fanbase halfway through his 2nd season and Woodson halfway through his 3rd season.
Any true fan understands this. Takes time to pull together a team at Indiana.
As proven by the last coach hiring cycle, IU is not going to attract the top coaches, hence we settled for a 60+ nba coach. We took a chance on Cig, which has paid off, and I think missing out on May will bite us in the ass. We’re not going to get a better coach than Dusty, once Woody is gone, regardless of what fans might think.
Perhaps. I highly doubt we hire or even interview Woody if Quinn isn't the Chairman of the Board of Trustees, so I'm not sure if we really worked through a logical list of college coaches after Brad said no.
There is a decent chance missing on May bites us in the ass, he's off to a pretty good start at UM. It would add to the lore of IUBB missed hires. I don't know who we will hire, probably not a big name most don't seem actionable. I've got to hope Scott can figure out who can succeed at IU -- we'll give them top 5 or 10 NIL and a big budget to run the program, so there is some appeal with this job...
hang in there I hope trump doesn't take your food stamps and insurance; you could end up back at van pastures
This is such BS. NO one expects coaches to get extended tenures if they aren't winning. And, if they were winning, they'd not have to worry about being fired. It comes with the territory at a high major job: you have to win, compete for conference titles, and make it to the 2nd games and 2nd weekends when you get in the tourney. We haven't done any of those things with the exception of 1.5X with Crean.
There are expectations that come with coaching any major D1 program. UT has gone through 7 coaches since Phillip Fulmer left in 2008. Almost 1 every 2 years. Auburns virtually the same. It's just the nature of the job and anyone who coaches in that environment knows it.
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It's not BS. Look how down and bad Auburn is right now. Who wants to take that job?
I'm not saying Woody deserves more time partly because he's 65 and was never supposed to be here more than 4-5 years, but fans turned on him before he even finished his 3rd season and that's with making the tournament the two years prior.
I can tell you that the perception isn’t the reality. Movement was happening with names that would surprise you. Donors called the shots. We will see where we are after this season
Your sentiment about wait and see on May is fair... but consider this:
Mike Woodson is an IU guy. Yes he was a player, with NBA coaching experience but that is vastly different than May's experience.
Archie Miller was in his 40's. 40s was only in reference to the fact that he could be coaching for a long time.
Mike Davis went to a final 4. With CBK's recruits, it was down hill from there. May built FAU into a F4 team, key word built. With the portal the way it is now, he has also rebuilt Meatchicken in 1 year.
Tom Crean went to a final 4 and won multiple BIG titles. That he did. And, he built IU to a respectable place considering what he took over. It became his relationships with recruiting networks and his scattered over-recruiting approach that brought inconsistency follow by a big trend downward.
All reasonable points. I'm not saying these things don't matter, just that they don't guarantee success and they don't mean we are going to regret letting May end up at Michigan.
Hell, May's buyout isn't massive. If Dolson decides he's the guy, he could go get him in April if that's what May wants. It's not as though Dolson is afraid of making a bold move. Cig's raise made that obvious.
we haven't found the long-term solution since rmk , doesn't mean you quit trying
Wrong....see CTC. Our fanbase was stellar. With that said, it shouldn't take 3-5 years like it use to, but any coach is going to get 2-3 IMO.
Every coach is going to get 3 years at IU sans a Sampson like scandal, simply due to contracts and buyouts. Thats not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about losing the fan base. When you lose the fan base at a school like IU, it’s over.
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