Is missing out on him last year going to be as big a miss as Stevens?
Dusty May
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Only if we currently live in the moment. Let's see what he does the rest of this season and next.
Only time will tell. But, let’s just outline what we know as truth / facts.
- He is an IU guy.
- He’s only 48 years old.
- Took Florida Atlantic to FF in 2023 which equates to the same number of FF appearances as IU in the past 23 years.
- Currently sitting atop the standings of the B1G in his first season at Michigan after taking over a team that finished last in conference play a season ago with a 3-17 record.
It stands to reason that we missed out on a golden opportunity in hiring him. It’s a double whammy as not only did we not pursue him. but we now have to deal with playing his team every season vs a conference team. It’s the gift that keeps on giving.
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- He can recruit HS kids
- He did well in the portal last year
I don't know if he's the best coach we could hire, he could be I don't know. Regardless, it looks like he probably could have done pretty well here. 10th in KenPom and 11th in the NET right now at a school with less NIL and tougher xfer rules.
Timing was not there.
If he can do this at MI, image what he could do here. It is never too late in today's environment.
Timing not right is BS. If you have the resources, which we do, then timing is not a factor. When you have seen enough of a data set to make a conclusion, which we have, then timing is out the door. Woodson is NEVER going to take our program where the fanbase and alumni expect and want it to go. We are and have been a mid level D1 program for the last 10 years. If we want to be in that top tier, which includes Kansas, Duke, UNC, UCONN, and the like, then we have to operate with that mindset in how we manage the program. Period. Look at our own damn football program. Look at Iowa St basketball. Michigan this season in basketball. Florida with their coach. Having the right person leading the team is what swings us in either direction as well as the grade of the trajectory. Right now we sit at 4-1 and near the top of the conference. Does anyone feel confident we will stay there? I sure as hell don’t. Once we get into better competition, we will find our water level and settle into our Woodson / Program standard which is a perennial bubble team that struggles to have a winning conference record. Like it or not, that is reality. Timing my ass. That’s just a convenient excuse for people who can’t make tough / unpopular decisions but know it’s what’s needed to achieve desired results.
He being “May”? Curious what his buyout would be. Bring his ass down to Bloomington after one year at Michigan. I am confident if given the choice, he’d be in B town over Ann Arbor. That said, do you know that for a fact or is this a friend of a friend of a friend?
Mike Woodson is an IU guy.
Archie Miller was in his 40's
Mike Davis went to a final 4.
Tom Crean went to a final 4 and won multiple BIG titles.
Lots of people complained that we didn't hire Chris Holtmann when we could have as well. He turned out no better than Miller. I don't know if May will be good enough at this level or not, but it certainly isn't obvious at this point either way.
They finally beat someone worth a crap last night. So did we, on Sunday. Maybe let's actually see how the season goes.
Woodson is an Iu guy, sure. But he is not a great basketball coach. See my post earlier in this thread. I may be dead wrong about where we finish, but I highly doubt it.
Well everyday is a new moment for a hot take. I do think May will be solid to good but it's still early. If he does well the remainder of this season and then next season too, It will look like a giant miss.
fact, had my numbers wrong, Woodson's buyout is a million a year over 8 years, they offered to add an additional 4 years he declined.
Can we say May is a great basketball coach? After 4 big ten games? Tom Crean won 4 big ten games in a row a bunch of times. But he wasn't consistent. Will May be consistent? After up and down results at a lower level program?
His first 4 years at FAU lead to a conference record of 34-32. Woodson's conference record is currently 34-30.
If he took the same track here as he did at FAU, you'd have fired him before he ever made that final 4.
You are absolutely right, but in Btown with the players involved... the timing was not right. It may or not be now.
anyone and I mean anyone who thinks Mike Woodson is a better coach than Dusty May, is a basketball dumbass. Hiring anyone will be a risk who knows how they will do. Keeping Woodson is negligence we know what he can do.
Can't argue with facts. My guess is if we ran the numbers for other highyly successful coaches in their first 4-5 seasons, we would see similar results. I am looking at behavioral coaching and development of a team in season and season over season.
great? he's not even good. never has been. but he IS an iu guy.
Okay. If I ever say Mike Woodson is better than Dusty May, feel free to voice your opinion about it.
Of course, if we let May coach a full season or three in a power conference, some of the shine might wear off. This conference is littered with bright shiny new toys that looked like the greatest next thing before they tanked.
Off the top of my head:
Dan Monson
Chris Holtmann
Archie Miller
John Groce
Tom Crean
Juwan Howard
Mark Turgeon
Tommy Amaker
Steve Alford
There are certainly more and plenty of others in other conferences.
I watched last night's game. May has the most lethal 2 players in the league. A 7' guard and 7' very athletic center that are still learning to play together. The team made 15 threes at a 53% clip. They will win the conference championship and go far in the dance.
sure, there are failures there are also brad Underwoods etc. could pope and Kelcey fall flat on their faces? sure. there is no one you could hire and say we will be in a final 4 in 3 years. but to keep someone around who I can guarantee you will never take us there is asinine. UK hired Gillispie didn't **** around with him for 7 years when it was obvious he was over his head.
A lot of successful coaches had three bad years before it turned. It probably doesn't take that long in the NIL and portal environment we have now.
And I'm not saying we shouldn't fire Woodson at the end of the season. I just think it's premature and silly to start regret thread about not hiring a guy who hasn't proven anything.
Imho, a big mistake was made in bringing him back.
Unfortunately, sometimes people can overlook what is best for the program long term and focus on the short term. This season will not change my mind.
I still remember beating Duke back in ‘02 and making the championship run. Imho, had we lost that Duke game we would be in a much better place as a program.
Hopefully having boosters spend all that money to keep people from leaving and get expensive new players doesn’t lead to more “negligence “.
Waiting has a cost. It appears Woody probably spent top-5 NIL less than ideally and whiffed on another high school class, including some top Indiana kids. This year isn’t over, but it doesn’t look likely we are going to compete for much on the court. So, we probably wasted money and made the rebuild tougher.
Whatever. To me it’s all down to Dolson getting control of the bball program and getting the next hire right. Good luck Scott!
Bingo. I am highly confident that if we hired Pearl, the S16 is our floor and annual deep runs in the tourney with realistic FF and NC aspirations are real. I am highly confident of that.
IU has talent but the coaching staff can't seem to get the most out of the players. And the staff has swung and missed at several high-profile Indiana HS recruits, which makes it difficult to build a program for the long-term.
Hang around a little longer and you’ll understand the sarcasm behind my statement
its relevant because May wanted to come here, and the early results look pretty damn good, and were stuck going nowhere
Holtmann's early results looked pretty damn good too. The rest of your post is basically soothsaying. Not interested.
your right Indiana's future looks brighter than Michigan's, would be stupid to take a chance on another coach, Woodson will probably hit his stride in his early 70s
I said nothing like that.
Take your straw man argument, wrap it up nice and tight in copper wire, make yourself a still, and try to not go blind.
Then go Google straw man argument and learn something.
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