Dustin Dopirak on potential IUBB coaching candidate pool shrinking

[Al Bino]

Well, sounds like the first 5 choices have declined. All big time coaches.
2nd...When has IU gotten who they wanted as coach since Sampson? Crean was not top 5, Miller might have been top 5, but other big names turned it down ahead of him, Woodson obviously was not high on the list. So that's 3 consecutive hires, without getting a coach in the top 3 of their list. Did you hear Painter? Do you think coaches don't talk to each other? He didn't come up with that shit randomly. He has more knowledge than you, and straight up told you why IU can't get their preferred coach. If you want to lie to yourself fine, that's your perogative, but Miller, Woodson, and presumably the next coach, should all show you that you are wrong. IU basketball as many of us have known it throughout the majority of our lives, is dead. And the "fans" are atleast half of the problem.
Also...if he was wrong, why is Brad Brownell a candidate?

Sure coaches talk to each other but you REALLY think that a topic of conversation with other coaches is IU's fans?

I can just hear it.

Coach x - "Hey Mat, good to talk to you. IU has contacted me. Should I take an interview?"
Matt - "Hell no, their fans are crazy!"
Coach x - "Thanks, I will pass on the opportunity to make millions at IU. Maybe I will interview with Kentucky. I heard their fans are chill."
Matt - "I would if I were you. Kentucky fans are nice and reasonable. Glad I could help."

 

[kmathum]

He hasn't yet. Will he maybe?

RMK hadn't yet either.

 

[kmathum]

RMK was a different species with his ability to do more with less.

he was the best no doubt but you must admit he had his share burger boys.

 

[kmathum]

The same people trashing beard think mccollum is the best thing since sliced bread. Well fine he better win on day one period.

who would he play his first game? Merrimack? maybe Incarnate Word? yeah i'm pretty sure he wins day one.

 

[GThomas]

Have you lost your mind? Beard almost won a title at Texas Tech! He has taken three different teams to the tournament...

And multiple double-digit loss seasons. As I said, good coach. You think he's more than good. I think McCollum is the real deal. You aren't sold on him. Opinions differ.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

I enjoy how you conveniently dismiss these two guys as not being worthy of coaching basketball and yet you were a very vocal supporter of Woody, a guy who had never coached a single college game when he was hired. On top of that, you want him retained after the crappy results.

If that's what you took from what I said, you have a comprehension problem. Re-read.

And then the claim that I want him retained...stupid. I said before the season, top 3 in BiG and an appearance in the 2nd weekend. Where and when did I deviate?

Why do you just make up random shit, and then act like it's true?

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

Sure coaches talk to each other but you REALLY think that a topic of conversation with other coaches is IU's fans?

I can just hear it.

Coach x - "Hey Mat, good to talk to you. IU has contacted me. Should I take an interview?"
Matt - "Hell no, their fans are crazy!"
Coach x - "Thanks, I will pass on the opportunity to make millions at IU. Maybe I will interview with Kentucky. I heard their fans are chill."
Matt - "I would if I were you. Kentucky fans are nice and reasonable. Glad I could help."

Yes...it absolutely plays into how desirable a job is. You can make up whatever scenario you want, but I said exactly what Painter said 2 months prior. Yu think there isn't talk of the IU job in coaching circles?..lmao...naive
The conversation is about the IU job...the fan base is part of that job, in fact, from what i hear, it's the absolute worst part.
How arrogant are you to disagree with a D1 head coach for 20+ years who grew up a fan of IU, and has been in the state his entire life? Lol...so blatantly ignorant.

 

[IndyMitchell]

Checking out details on Pitino made me think about John Beilein. They are the same age. I don't know if he has the health or desire to coach like Pitino but Beilein was a winner. He ran an offense that was fun to watch too.

Each year is basically a one year contract in college now. So his age wouldn't be used against him in recruiting quite like it use to be.

I know, not a serious candidate. Just another guy that I would reach out to before hiring BB, McDermott, or even BM. Maybe he could do 3-4 years.

 

[BA47591]

The first 4 years of his D1 career,,,steller

We'll never know how Texas would've turned out, he DDT't his gf off the roof of his house.

Ole Miss is the Minnesota of the SEC, so he's doing some career rehab there.

I would have to have the face-to-face before I said yes or no.

 

[BoilerN]

Like I said, a troll that comes here to argue with IU fans about his team. The other discussion you’re involved in is just incidental, to pass the time until the next time you get to argue for your team & against ours.

Nope. Actually here to read and discuss the iu coaching hire. And you are derailing the thread to tell me I’m not here to do that. Ironic

 

[BA47591]

Would the offer made to Brad in 2021 be able to lure Jay Wright out of retirement?

 

[GThomas]

Would the offer made to Brad in 2021 be able to lure Jay Wright out of retirement?

I sure as hell hope so.

 

[Al Bino]

Yes...it absolutely plays into how desirable a job is. You can make up whatever scenario you want, but I said exactly what Painter said 2 months prior. Yu think there isn't talk of the IU job in coaching circles?..lmao...naive
The conversation is about the IU job...the fan base is part of that job, in fact, from what i hear, it's the absolute worst part.
How arrogant are you to disagree with a D1 head coach for 20+ years who grew up a fan of IU, and has been in the state his entire life? Lol...so blatantly ignorant.

From what you hear it is the absolute worst part.

Link? Source?

I am not saying that Painter hasn't heard talk. Has he talked to everyone on our list of possible coaches?
Why the hell would Painter be talking to other coaches about the IU job?

Show me ONE credible source that says a coach passed on the IU job because of the fans.

Quit talking out of your ass and produce links!

 

[zeke4ahs]

This was also shared on another thread but I figured I would share it here too. If you are listening to podcaster, you might also want more info from a Texas fan’s perspective.

More Beard Info

Yes I did see that. And have also seen from other sources that she was wild too.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Complete slanderous bullshit. You’re a total dick for repeating it no matter your disclaimer 🤡

Sorry it’s already on this thread. You must not have listened. I’m guessing you weren’t there either when it happened.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Total bullshit story. The truth is she had or has a drinking problem not CB. Her antics are well documented at TTU. This bullshit is getting old 😡

There’s another video out there when he was at TT where he is clearly hammered. Maybe they BOTH have a problem?

 

[Thcgh]

There’s another video out there when he was at TT where he is clearly hammered. Maybe they BOTH have a problem?

Nope

 

[Thcgh]

Sorry it’s already on this thread. You must not have listened. I’m guessing you weren’t there either when it happened.

No but unlike you I have a 10 year relationship with him.

 

[RowdyHoosier]

There’s another video out there when he was at TT where he is clearly hammered. Maybe they BOTH have a problem?

I've been completely hammered before. On more than one occasion. I don't think I have a problem, I just like to get wild every now and again.

 

[ams66]

I've been completely hammered before. On more than one occasion. I don't think I have a problem, I just like to get wild every now and again.

Sure most of us have. And I'd be happy with Beard as the next coach. But if true, it does speak to judgement. A public figure such as a university head coach has to be very selective about where and with whom he might get hammered. Fair or not, it's part of the job.

 

[ANOTHERBANNERYEAR]

There’s another video out there when he was at TT where he is clearly hammered. Maybe they BOTH have a problem?

Zeke are you really back to this shit AGAIN??

 

[IndyMitchell]

Sure most of us have. And I'd be happy with Beard as the next coach. But if true, it does speak to judgement. A public figure such as a university head coach has to be very selective about where and with whom he might get hammered. Fair or not, it's part of the job.

Being a "celebrity" is tough. I'd trust this guy and give him the keys. He has had his name rubbed through the mud for a few years. I'm sure a sharp guy that has been through it makes adjustments.

Let's hope he's the guy. He would make IU basketball fun again.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

I sure as hell hope so.

Not happening

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

From what you hear it is the absolute worst part.

Link? Source?

I am not saying that Painter hasn't heard talk. Has he talked to everyone on our list of possible coaches?
Why the hell would Painter be talking to other coaches about the IU job?

Show me ONE credible source that says a coach passed on the IU job because of the fans.

Quit talking out of your ass and produce links!

Links! Links! Links!...this is what a person does when they have no reasonable alternative. Why else would top coaches not come here for the past 20 years of searching? No resources? No facilities? No tradition? No talent? ....tell me genius

 

[TDHoosier]

There’s another video out there when he was at TT where he is clearly hammered. Maybe they BOTH have a problem?

I've been hammered a time or two and my employer still lets me oversee 80+ employees. Shit gets old trying to paint a person into a corner. You will get your way IU doesn't have the stones to hire Beard, they like to loose by 13 to a stellar Oregon team too much.

When you manage a program like your scared, you typically get results like today. 16-5 run to end the game, that is downright pathetic.

 

[ams66]

Links! Links! Links!...this is what a person does when they have no reasonable alternative. Why else would top coaches not come here for the past 20 years of searching? No resources? No facilities? No tradition? No talent? ....tell me genius

Until recently, IU administrations were hostile to or indifferent to athletics. And, most top coaches have good gigs where they are. Not many move around once they are established. Woodson was a crony hire. Tell me what top coach wants to mess around with a school that does that?

IU's fans are not the problem, genius. They continue to show up and cheer when given even the slightest glimmer of hope. We won a few games and people on here started speculating about an E8 run.

 

[CG Paul]

Links! Links! Links!...this is what a person does when they have no reasonable alternative. Why else would top coaches not come here for the past 20 years of searching? No resources? No facilities? No tradition? No talent? ....tell me genius

Why do you need to be so combative? You could have the same dialogue, likely better, if you left the flame-thrower out of your posts.

 

[ANOTHERBANNERYEAR]

Zeke are you really back to this shit AGAIN??

Zeke is gone. He had to go back to recess and story time.

 

[IndyMitchell]

I've been hammered a time or two and my employer still lets me oversee 80+ employees. Shit gets old trying to paint a person into a corner. You will get your way IU doesn't have the stones to hire Beard, they like to loose by 13 to a stellar Oregon team too much.

When you manage a program like your scared, you typically get results like today. 16-5 run to end the game, that is downright pathetic.

Have you lost your mind? Beard almost won a title at Texas Tech! He has taken three different teams to the tournament...

The fans on this site seem to understand how impressive of a coach Chris Beard is so much better than the other boards. I'm not sure if it is because of rabjohns saying it will never happen every day or what.

 

[kmathum]

The fans on this site seem to understand how impressive of a coach Chris Beard is so much better than the other boards. I'm not sure if it is because of rabjohns saying it will never happen every day or what.

I like McCollom and Golden better but Beard would do very well here. I'd be happy with anyone of the three.

 

[ndhuntington]

And multiple double-digit loss seasons. As I said, good coach. You think he's more than good. I think McCollum is the real deal. You aren't sold on him. Opinions differ.

McCollum is not on anybody top 10 radar for major coaching jobs. NC State is going after Will Wade if Iowa job comes open McCollum might take it. But Indiana wants atleast 10 other guys besides McCollum.

 

[GThomas]

But Indiana wants atleast 10 other guys besides McCollum.

According to?

 

[ndhuntington]

Well he has turned Bennett Stirtz from unranked into a potential All-American, so he can develop guys pretty well!!

He came with McCollum already knew his system was there best player at D2 so I would say he was already developed at D2.

 

[ndhuntington]

According to?

Brad Stevens, Chris Beard, Bruce Pearl, Scott Drew, TJ Otzelberger, Mick Cronin, Dusty May, Chris Collins, Billy Donovan, Brad Brownell, Tommy Loyd, Greg Mcdermott, Buzz Williams, Grant McCasland,

 

[hookyIU1990]

He came with McCollum already knew his system was there best player at D2 so I would say he was already developed at D2.

So you're saying McCollum developed him and he's a potential all american.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Yes I did see that. And have also seen from other sources that she was wild too.

wise men learn early on....you sleep with crazy...you screw crazy....you never marry crazy.
Because if you do, eventually you become crazy too.

 

[GThomas]

Brad Stevens, Chris Beard, Bruce Pearl, Scott Drew, TJ Otzelberger, Mick Cronin, Dusty May, Chris Collins, Billy Donovan, Brad Brownell, Tommy Loyd, Greg Mcdermott, Buzz Williams, Grant McCasland,

That's your list. You said, "Indiana wants at least 10 other guys." Are you Indiana?

 

[kmathum]

Brad Stevens, Chris Beard, Bruce Pearl, Scott Drew, TJ Otzelberger, Mick Cronin, Dusty May, Chris Collins, Billy Donovan, Brad Brownell, Tommy Loyd, Greg Mcdermott, Buzz Williams, Grant McCasland,

As GT just asked, according to who?

 

[IndyMitchell]

I like McCollom and Golden better but Beard would do very well here. I'd be happy with anyone of the three.

McCollom is this year's MVC coach that is going to step up a level. I just really hope it isn't at Indiana. I get it that he did well at the D2 level. I get it that he was able to get lots of MVC wins this year. I watched a few of them. Stirtz is their difference maker. When they have nothing working, he makes plays. They won close games against really bad teams like good coaches do. Can he eventually figure out major college basketball...probably. Will there be lots of growing pains...yes.

Here is another analogy. Trent Sisley was an excellent player at the smaller high school level. He would have scored a crazy # of points this year if he had stayed. The #'s would probably blow you away because he would have dominated. Instead of doing that, he leveled up before entering major college basketball. Why did he do that? He knew that it would help his transition to playing at a P5. Coyle did a good job interviewing him, his Montverde coach, and dad. It was clear that he made the wise choice of developing at a higher level this year. He practiced against D1 players all season and in every practice. Everyone knows he will be a better player next year at IU because of this.

On the flip side, BM stayed at the lower levels of coaching and did amazing. He is still playing at a lower level and doing very well. However, just like with Trent, leveling up a little bit at a time would really benefit him before going to the P5 level. Is IU a blue blood program? If they hire BM, it will show that they are not. IU would show the it's just another school with old banners.
IU needs a HUGE boost in order to do a 180 as a program. You need a guy that knows how to prepare and win at a major college Championship level. Chris Beard...Jay Wright...Stevens or just hope that change means improvement.

 

[Al Bino]

Links! Links! Links!...this is what a person does when they have no reasonable alternative. Why else would top coaches not come here for the past 20 years of searching? No resources? No facilities? No tradition? No talent? ....tell me genius

I just want facts and you have yet to provide ANY. Links provide facts.

I had only read part of Painter's diatribe so I read it all and NO WHERE does he mention that the fans are causing coaches to stay away.
If he did, cut and paste it since it was not in what I read.

The coaching searches since RMK's dismissal have not been run well.
Davis should have never been made permanent.
Sampson was a hire pushed by the then Pres.
Crean was the best IU could get to clean up the mess from Sampson.
Archie was lauded as the best hire in college basketball but he failed.
Woodson was a crony hire.

This is the first hire since RMK that looks like it is being run responsibly.
In this day and age, many coaches are just choosing to stay put, i.e. Few.
All it takes is one wealthy booster and with NIL almost any school can become a power.

It is interesting that traditional powers such as UK, UNC and Duke all ended up with former players.
Why didn't they make a splashy hire. Is it their fans too? DWS

I am not saying that the fans could not be a factor but IMO, a VERY small factor.