Dustin Dopirak on potential IUBB coaching candidate pool shrinking

[IUNorth]

Not sure how you say that, when he took a Texas Tech team(a school that had never been to, and hasn't been since) to a NC game. Also...wasn't that team comprised of primarily the same players Knight missed the tournament with a season prior? I could be wrong on that. And yes, he's stuck in MS, where he is winning at a higher rate that that school has ever won at any other time in its history. You dont like him, and that's fine, but don't trash talk his coaching ability just because you don't like him personally.

I think it was his 3rd or 4th TT team. That particular team is the only P4 team he had the levels of success we're gonna expect out of him. The other 7+ P4 teams he's coached, had a cumulative sub .500 conference record. And its not like he had an awful year bogging that down. They were all relatively mediocre. A couple of them won some NCAA games. None of them won a conference tournament.

I have him as one of my top 3 (of candidates that seem somewhat realistic), along with McCollum and McCasland. But I think its important to temper the expectations a little bit. He has not shown anything, at this point, that indicates he'll come in and compete for B10 titles every year.

 

[abraxis]

He doesn't even have to do anything, really. Just find a woman desperate enough to make an accusation. Even if it doesn't hold up there would be mass chaos and a lot of people jumping immediately to "fire him, burn him alive and then burn his ashes"

I bet Vauhxx Booker knows someone.

 

[HillzHoozier]

Not sure how you say that, when he took a Texas Tech team(a school that had never been to, and hasn't been since) to a NC game. Also...wasn't that team comprised of primarily the same players Knight missed the tournament with a season prior? I could be wrong on that. And yes, he's stuck in MS, where he is winning at a higher rate that that school has ever won at any other time in its history. You dont like him, and that's fine, but don't trash talk his coaching ability just because you don't like him personally.

You can look at his career record. He's had some good teams and some clunkers. Never said he wasn't a good coach. I said I didn't think he was the best available.

 

[HillzHoozier]

Can you enlighten me on Beard's "history" and other incidents?
Thanks

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[LifeLong_IU77]

You can look at his career record. He's had some good teams and some clunkers. Never said he wasn't a good coach. I said I didn't think he was the best available.

Fair. So who is your top(viable) choice.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

I think it was his 3rd or 4th TT team. That particular team is the only P4 team he had the levels of success we're gonna expect out of him. The other 7+ P4 teams he's coached, had a cumulative sub .500 conference record. And its not like he had an awful year bogging that down. They were all relatively mediocre. A couple of them won some NCAA games. None of them won a conference tournament.

I have him as one of my top 3 (of candidates that seem somewhat realistic), along with McCollum and McCasland. But I think its important to temper the expectations a little bit. He has not shown anything, at this point, that indicates he'll come in and compete for B10 titles every year.

Im aware he hasn't won anywhere at the same level he would be expected to if he was here. I do think the advantage of being at IU, instead of TT would make a big difference. I also think he would be ecstatic to get the job, and would respect,honor, and celebrate the programs past, while winning at a high level. Jmo

 

[hookyIU1990]

Also...I heard all offseason how IU needed to shoot,and make more 3's to be successful.....

Hold my beer- Mich St.

That's funny, because I heard all offseason how this team was going to look like that Woodson Knicks team that shot more 3s than the NBA had ever seen before.

 

[ButHerEmails]

So much noise, especially from agents, it's hard to tell if any of it is good intel. Scott is keep this process very close to the vest.

I’ll take a wild guess that outside of Dolson, two, maybe three, people know 100% wtf is going on with the coaching search.

 

[IndyMitchell]

Go to 1:17

https://x.com/i/spaces/1eaKbWDoZrRGX

I am biased but if you believe everything this kids said is true, you might need someone to hold your hand when you cross the street. 😂

This would be the best kept secret of all time. Of course the scoop would be broke by a 23 yr old kid who heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend.

In a day and age with cameras everywhere, TMZ would have had this stuff posted within the hour.

 

[BA47591]

Dustin's take on Will Wade make Mr realize that none of my choices are going to be considered, but I did briefly brighten my spirits with this.

 

[IUNorth]

Im aware he hasn't won anywhere at the same level he would be expected to if he was here. I do think the advantage of being at IU, instead of TT would make a big difference. I also think he would be ecstatic to get the job, and would respect,honor, and celebrate the programs past, while winning at a high level. Jmo

Agreed on all that. And I think he'd do pretty well here. I just don't think its a given IU would be the first place he'd compete for major conference titles every/most years at.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

That's funny, because I heard all offseason how this team was going to look like that Woodson Knicks team that shot more 3s than the NBA had ever seen before.

I never said anything about Woodsons Knicks teams shooting more 3's than the NBA had ever seen. You just aren't good at paying attention. I said, that Woodsons Knicks teams werent scared to shoot the 3, even ranked 2nd in the NBA one season. I said Indiana would shoot 20 a game this year. You guys said Woodson was against the 3, which contradicted already proven fact.

But...how is that "have to shoot higher volume/percentage to be successful" claim, working out for you?

 

[TDHoosier]

Wow....Who would have thought that IU would be struggling to find a suitable coach? Oh wait...that was me. Is anyone still doubting that big time coaches don't want to deal with the putrid fan base?

or the putrid administration and faculty? Win and no fan base is putrid, if a coach doubts he can win then it is best he is not interested. Most successful coaches are scared of a fan base because they win.

 

[TDHoosier]

Go to 1:17

https://x.com/i/spaces/1eaKbWDoZrRGX

Do not have time, I am not saying they didn't DQ themselves from IU. IU sucks at this shit, they pick bad everytime and they are more concerned with what the lame ass facalty feels like than winning.

IU is scared of it shadow that is why you will have a career middle of the road coach like Brownell here, and guess what the fans will be on his ass from day one.

 

[Warison]

Wow....Who would have thought that IU would be struggling to find a suitable coach? Oh wait...that was me. Is anyone still doubting that big time coaches don't want to deal with the putrid fan base?

Um… who thought we would find and name a coach, during the effin season. Only a dumas$ would think we’d name a coach… during the effin season.

 

[TDHoosier]

No. I've made many messes and it took years to clean some of them up.

I'm also not in charge of a multi-million dollar operation which has to assume the risk. Beard has a history. It was not a one-off incident.

You have zero idea if it was a one off or not. You shouldn't spout off gibberish without facts.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Um… who thought we would find and name a coach, during the effin season. Only a dumas$ would think we’d name a coach… during the effin season.

Get used to this 🤡saying 🤡things,

He'll be here for a while until he flames out again.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

That's funny, because I heard all offseason how this team was going to look like that Woodson Knicks team that shot more 3s than the NBA had ever seen before.

I can't leave out the other hilarious consensus amongst most of the people who talk the most crap about the program.

Screaming about playing 2 bigs at the same time, and how Woodson is stupid and doesn't know how to coach. Subsequently talking about the possibility of bringing in Dusty May, who starts and plays 2 bigs at the same time!...🤣....I have been laughing about that one for awhile now. You guys that talk crap about the program on a constant basis have proven to not know your ass from a hole in the ground, time and time again. It is just entertainment for me now. What is the next dumbest thing you guys will say that will be proven irrefutable wrong? Lol.
Michael Durr was an All-American!

 

[IUNorth]

I can't leave out the other hilarious consensus amongst most of the people who talk the most crap about the program.

Screaming about playing 2 bigs at the same time, and how Woodson is stupid and doesn't know how to coach. Subsequently talking about the possibility of bringing in Dusty May, who starts and plays 2 bigs at the same time!...🤣....I have been laughing about that one for awhile now. You guys that talk crap about the program on a constant basis have proven to not know your ass from a hole in the ground, time and time again. It is just entertainment for me now. What is the next dumbest thing you guys will say that will be proven irrefutable wrong? Lol.
Michael Durr was an All-American!

If you don't understand the differences between our 2 bigs, and Michigan's 2 bigs...well, you're probably thinking about it how our coach evidently does. Which isn't good.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

or the putrid administration and faculty? Win and no fan base is putrid, if a coach doubts he can win then it is best he is not interested. Most successful coaches are scared of a fan base because they win.

With the Cignetti success in a sport that is much less prominent, I cant buy it.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

If you don't understand the differences between our 2 bigs, and Michigan's 2 bigs...well, you're probably thinking about it how our coach evidently does. Which isn't good.

I can, the problem is, nobody here was talking about that, they were simply saying 2 bigs can't play together in todays game.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

Um… who thought we would find and name a coach, during the effin season. Only a dumas$ would think we’d name a coach… during the effin season.

Nobody. I'm talking about all the big bames that have already said no. Not very quick are you?
Or do you consider Brad Brownell and Ben McCollum big names? 🤣

 

[IUNorth]

I can, the problem is, nobody here was talking about that, they were simply saying 2 bigs can't play together in todays game.

Most of "us" have been talking about OUR two bigs. And the types of bigs Woodson has had at IU. Race shouldn't have played next to TJD. Ballo shouldn't play next to Malik. The problem is he's playing multiple guys aren't great with the ball away from the basket, and can't guard away from the basket. Its really, really dumb. And his own teams performances prove that its dumb. But he continues and continues to do it.

Danny Wolf is basically a guard, who happens to be 7 foot tall and 250+ pounds. Dumb example to use.

 

[HillzHoozier]

You have zero idea if it was a one off or not. You shouldn't spout off gibberish without facts.

I have a better than zero idea. You will too when you make time to listen to that podcast.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

Most of "us" have been talking about OUR two bigs. And the types of bigs Woodson has had at IU. Race shouldn't have played next to TJD. Ballo shouldn't play next to Malik. The problem is he's playing multiple guys aren't great with the ball away from the basket, and can't guard away from the basket. Its really, really dumb. And his own teams performances prove that its dumb. But he continues and continues to do it.

Danny Wolf is basically a guard, who happens to be 7 foot tall and 250+ pounds. Dumb example to use.

I disagree, because based on previous conversations, most of those people had no clue what Michigan was doing with their lineup, or who was even on the team outside of 1 or 2 players, until they played IU

 

[IUNorth]

I disagree, because based on previous conversations, most of those people had no clue what Michigan was doing with their lineup, or who was even on the team outside of 1 or 2 players, until they played IU

Ehhh...I think most saw what Wolf was doing. And were pissed that Woodson never looked in to him, or considered him out of Yale...

Point still remains...Woodson has misused his "big" rosters since he arrived here.

 

[IndyMitchell]

Do not have time, I am not saying they didn't DQ themselves from IU. IU sucks at this shit, they pick bad everytime and they are more concerned with what the lame ass facalty feels like than winning.

IU is scared of it shadow that is why you will have a career middle of the road coach like Brownell here, and guess what the fans will be on his ass from day one.

This is my concern as well. A lot of fans want to be relevant and have Knight like teams but they also want coaches that aren't proven. That or they want coaches that are better than average but they feel they will automatically level up if they come to IU. This thinking that any number of coaches can easily win at IU (because it's IU) has been around since Mike Davis was hired.

Most of the media guys say IU was told no by Stevens and that IU told Beard no. Hopefully one of those is wrong or there is a secret candidate that we don't know about.

 

[Al Bino]

Well, sounds like the first 5 choices have declined. All big time coaches.
2nd...When has IU gotten who they wanted as coach since Sampson? Crean was not top 5, Miller might have been top 5, but other big names turned it down ahead of him, Woodson obviously was not high on the list. So that's 3 consecutive hires, without getting a coach in the top 3 of their list. Did you hear Painter? Do you think coaches don't talk to each other? He didn't come up with that shit randomly. He has more knowledge than you, and straight up told you why IU can't get their preferred coach. If you want to lie to yourself fine, that's your perogative, but Miller, Woodson, and presumably the next coach, should all show you that you are wrong. IU basketball as many of us have known it throughout the majority of our lives, is dead. And the "fans" are atleast half of the problem.
Also...if he was wrong, why is Brad Brownell a candidate?

College basketball as I knew is dead. Very sad.

And just how do you know that the top 5 choices declined in this search or previous searches?

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

Ehhh...I think most saw what Wolf was doing. And were pissed that Woodson never looked in to him, or considered him out of Yale...

Point still remains...Woodson has misused his "big" rosters since he arrived here.

I will give you that. But, I think Reneau is the cause of that for the past 2 seasons. He's a tweener, making it hard to play him at the 4 or 5, without a very specific skill set for the other big. Hes a good kid, and good player, just a really tough fit. I do think Woodson is too quick to play upper classmen just because of that fact. I would love to have seen Gunn and Banks get more run.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

College basketball as I knew is dead. Very sad.

And just how do you know that the top 5 choices declined in this search or previous searches?

Uh...Stevens, Drew, Otzelberger, even Buzz Williams, have already declined. Smh if you think Archie Miller, or Mike Woodson was one of the top choices(as I said before, Miller may have been top 5, but not top 3) you just dont know too much about the situation. If the top choices hadn't already said no, do you think Brad Brownell would be a candidate?

 

[GThomas]

Uh...Stevens, Drew, Otzelberger, even Buzz Williams, have already declined. Smh

According to...?

 

[ams66]

Uh...Stevens, Drew, Otzelberger, even Buzz Williams, have already declined. Smh

You can cite direct quotes from them to this effect? Nobody outside of Dolson's very close circle knows who has declined, or who has been asked.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

You can cite direct quotes from them to this effect? Nobody outside of Dolson's very close circle knows who has declined, or who has been asked.

Ok...live in the fairy tale

 

[Al Bino]

Ok...live in the fairy tale

You don't know shit and just like to pretend you do.

The best quote of FG is people who talk don't know, people who know don't talk.

 

[IndyMitchell]

I have a better than zero idea. You will too when you make time to listen to that podcast.

Do you really believe the info on the podcast? The whole team saw this happen? This all went down and Texas admin gave him a warning? No cameras caught any of this?

It doesn't make sense. The source is also a 23 year old kid who is relaying hearsay. It's good for click bait.

 

[LifeLong_IU77]

You don't know shit and just like to pretend you do.

The best quote of FG is people who talk don't know, people who know don't talk.

Ok...if that is true, why is Brad Brownell a candidate?

 

[kmathum]

Ok...if that is true, why is Brad Brownell a candidate?

How do you know he's a candidate?

 

[GThomas]

Ok...if that is true, why is Brad Brownell a candidate?

He is? Did Dolson tell you this?

 

[HillzHoozier]

Do you really believe the info on the podcast? The whole team saw this happen? This all went down and Texas admin gave him a warning? No cameras caught any of this?

It doesn't make sense. The source is also a 23 year old kid who is relaying hearsay. It's good for click bait.

I believe it could be true. It's enough to confirm for me that he's not the right fit for IU.

 

[IndyMitchell]

I believe it could be true. It's enough to confirm for me that he's not the right fit for IU.

That's fine but that kid's story telling shouldn't be the reason.