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Dustin Dopirak on potential IUBB coaching candidate pool shrinking

IU gets itself in trouble when they just pull up big names. I’m tired of hearing about Brad Stevens. I want somebody who wants to be here.
I laughed when I heard Dakich say that the “real IU fans don’t care about style of play (the criticism of McCollum) as long as they win.” I thought: Dan must have not visited this site in a while to hear posters claim they could never watch McCollum’s offense.
I refuse to believe that there are no good coaches below D1.

Link one article that has IU pulling up "big names".
The press and fan sites such as this that bring up those names.
Us peons know nothing about the search since Dolson has played it pretty close to the vest.
 
McCollum is Archie 2.0.. The pod just broke it down..


The only comparison between the two is they both came from lower levels.
McCollum is a winner over MANY seasons unlike Archie and even at that Archie was hailed by almost everyone as the best hire in college basketball that year.
The fit was not right. Will BC be a better fit? Hopefully SD is good at determining that.
 
I keep going back to that too. It would be too risky to let go of a coach who leads the team to the tournament 3 out of 4 years only to hire a guy no one has heard of.

Good grief, WGAS about making the tourney 3 out of the last 4 years?
That should be an absolute given at IU.
Woodson has won 60% of his games at IU.
He should have been fired last year.
 
Good grief, WGAS about making the tourney 3 out of the last 4 years?
That should be an absolute given at IU.
Woodson has won 60% of his games at IU.
He should have been fired last year.
Exactly, that’s why hiring an unproven coach is too risky. You can’t say the IU jersey gives you tournament entry 3 out of 4 years…see the Archie years and most of the Crean years.
 
Ok, let's go at this another way.
Who would you pick? Since you said that 99% are unproven then who?
If you say Beard, what if he says no?
Since you believe that 99% are unproven, I would imagine there are not 100 coaches that IU would consider, you are kind of screwed.
Yeah, I'll be honest. I don't like the list of options. Chris Beard is the no doubt guy. He would bring back the tradition of IU looking like they know what they're doing in basketball.

If he says no, then I'd beg TJ Otz or Dusty May. That is also assuming the Stevens, Jay Wright, and Donovan were no goes.

I guess I would put BM somewhere in that next tier. McDermott at least has a fast paced offense. I just don't know if he can recruit at the highest level but he always seems to patch together good teams. Brownell has finally found a good group at Clemson. However, he wouldn't have near that much time to figure it out. Too risky of a hit and miss track record. Collins or Hoiberg have proven they can win in the B10 and Hoiberg also won in the B12. So those 5 would all be in their tier for me.
 
The ‘Beard did nothing wrong’ crowd cracks me up.
We had a coach who choked players (may they both RIP)
Do you really want a coach who choked his wife ??
But but but she didn’t press charges.
 
I find it comical how reactive so many are on here about the coach search. Pretty sure Dolson will find a coach who is a good fit and give us a good chance to restore a top program.

Nobody here really knows what conversations have taken place, or how they went. The same reaction that we are no longer an attractive basketball program seems to be held by many, but the fact is, we are still an attractive program. It’s just that there has never been more parity and it has become harder and harder to pull coaches who are in a good situation. Money isn’t everything and some coaches are just comfortable. So finding a fit both ways is important and there is zero reason to believe Dolson can’t make a great hire this cycle.
 
The ‘Beard did nothing wrong’ crowd cracks me up.
We had a coach who choked players (may they both RIP)
Do you really want a coach who choked his wife ??
But but but she didn’t press charges.
If you look at the police report close, you can see why both sides said he was using self defense and she was the aggressor.

He didn’t “choke” her like Knight with his hands. It sounds like they dropped the charges in part because “he had his arm across her neck from behind”. Not good but it was more of a headlock position which is how to defend yourself. Obviously a very humbling night but i don’t think he is an out of control monster that attacks ladies.
 
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Moron drama queens, listen. There’s no way Dolson has Woody step down, mid season, with out a CYA mentality. He’s had his man since day one.
I agree with you War...I think Dolson is smart enough to handle this, we just hope it is the "right" guy! I am guessing that an announcement will be made after our season is over, or Final Four weekend.
 
Why? Texas fired him for cause and there was no cause according you you, so they owe him millions, just like any other coach that is fired.

Or why not go back to Texas since he was wrongly fired.
The contractual clauses did not require Beard be found guilty of a crime, just charged with one. He was charged and then the charges dropped. Even if he was not charged, Texas had an out for conduct "unbecoming" the university and that incident embarrassed them. Not sure how many good lawyers take that case on contingency. I wouldn't.

Even if Beard had a good case, he might not want to pursue it for two good reasons: (1) he might not want to have all the gory details of his relationship with his ex-fiance come out, embarrassing him, his ex, and his daughters; and (2) he might believe such a suit would make him radioactive to any big time program in the future.

As for going back to Texas, they'd have to want him back. They do not.
 
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McCollum is Archie 2.0.. The pod just broke it down..

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The segment he referenced Archie and McCollum he also referenced Hurley and their situationally similarities. Not really seeing a breakdown there between the two.

The larger segment talking about McCollum, his bigger concern was a small sample size at D1. He’d like to see more than one year at D1.

Well no sh!t. That would be great, I agree, but we’re here now.

He mentioned Huss as an alternative to McCollum but didn’t go in depth. Maybe Huss would be a good choice. Not familiar with him (yet).

This podcast doesn’t show me that McCollum and Archie are similar coaches.
 
I find it comical how reactive so many are on here about the coach search. Pretty sure Dolson will find a coach who is a good fit and give us a good chance to restore a top program.

Nobody here really knows what conversations have taken place, or how they went. The same reaction that we are no longer an attractive basketball program seems to be held by many, but the fact is, we are still an attractive program. It’s just that there has never been more parity and it has become harder and harder to pull coaches who are in a good situation. Money isn’t everything and some coaches are just comfortable. So finding a fit both ways is important and there is zero reason to believe Dolson can’t make a great hire this cycle.

Well said.
No, IU doesn't have the cache that it once did but I don't think it is just IU basketball, the whole college sports world has changed and changed dramatically IMO.
With NIL, all it takes is ONE big time booster and a coach can buy almost any player to come to almost any university.
Is it just a coincidence that UK, UNC and Duke all have former players as coaches?
Did UK end up with Pope because they couldn't lure bigger fish away from their current job? Some think so.

And I am with you in that I have confidence in SD until proven otherwise.
 
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The segment he referenced Archie and McCollum he also referenced Hurley and their situationally similarities. Not really seeing a breakdown there between the two.

The larger segment talking about McCollum, his bigger concern was a small sample size at D1. He’d like to see more than one year at D1.

Well no sh!t. That would be great, I agree, but we’re here now.

He mentioned Huss as an alternative to McCollum but didn’t go in depth. Maybe Huss would be a good choice. Not familiar with him (yet).

This podcast doesn’t show me that McCollum and Archie are similar coaches.
Podcasts, your thoughts, my thoughts ... none of that really matters. But you know whose thoughts DO matter? Fellow coaches.

That is all.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The segment he referenced Archie and McCollum he also referenced Hurley and their situationally similarities. Not really seeing a breakdown there between the two.

The larger segment talking about McCollum, his bigger concern was a small sample size at D1. He’d like to see more than one year at D1.

Well no sh!t. That would be great, I agree, but we’re here now.

He mentioned Huss as an alternative to McCollum but didn’t go in depth. Maybe Huss would be a good choice. Not familiar with him (yet).

This podcast doesn’t show me that McCollum and Archie are similar coaches.

Sure a larger sample size would be great but if he looks like the guy, IU probably isn't going to able to hire him at the next coaching cycle, whenever that is. He will probably be entrenched at a new school.
 
Sure a larger sample size would be great but if he looks like the guy, IU probably isn't going to able to hire him at the next coaching cycle, whenever that is. He will probably be entrenched at a new school.
Agree. Now or never, in all likelihood.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The segment he referenced Archie and McCollum he also referenced Hurley and their situationally similarities. Not really seeing a breakdown there between the two.

The larger segment talking about McCollum, his bigger concern was a small sample size at D1. He’d like to see more than one year at D1.

Well no sh!t. That would be great, I agree, but we’re here now.

He mentioned Huss as an alternative to McCollum but didn’t go in depth. Maybe Huss would be a good choice. Not familiar with him (yet).

This podcast doesn’t show me that McCollum and Archie are similar coaches.
He may not be archie 2.0 but he certainly could be. I guess if he is all we can get but man I would think we could get someone who actually won at a p5 school. Maybe I am wrong.
 
He may not be archie 2.0 but he certainly could be. I guess if he is all we can get but man I would think we could get someone who actually won at a p5 school. Maybe I am wrong.

Sure he COULD be the next Archie but he could also be the next great coach at IU.
In this climate of college sports it is not so easy to lure coaches away from other schools. Few are going to make a mostly lateral move when with the right NIL support they can win where they are.
 
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The contractual clauses did not require Beard be found guilty of a crime, just charged with one. He was charged and then the charges dropped. Even if he was not charged, Texas had an out for conduct "unbecoming" the university and that incident embarrassed them. Not sure how many good lawyers take that case on contingency. I wouldn't.

Even if Beard had a good case, he might not want to pursue it for two good reasons: (1) he might not want to have all the gory details of his relationship with his ex-fiance come out, embarrassing him, his ex, and his daughters; and (2) he might believe such a suit would make him radioactive to any big time program in the future.

As for going back to Texas, they'd have to want him back. They do not.
Gory details would suggest he did it. I thought the argument was he didn’t do anything because charges were dropped?
 
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The contractual clauses did not require Beard be found guilty of a crime, just charged with one. He was charged and then the charges dropped. Even if he was not charged, Texas had an out for conduct "unbecoming" the university and that incident embarrassed them. Not sure how many good lawyers take that case on contingency. I wouldn't.

Even if Beard had a good case, he might not want to pursue it for two good reasons: (1) he might not want to have all the gory details of his relationship with his ex-fiance come out, embarrassing him, his ex, and his daughters; and (2) he might believe such a suit would make him radioactive to any big time program in the future.

As for going back to Texas, they'd have to want him back. They do not.
He doesn't have to find a good lawyer. Heh. Just a lawyer.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The segment he referenced Archie and McCollum he also referenced Hurley and their situationally similarities. Not really seeing a breakdown there between the two.

The larger segment talking about McCollum, his bigger concern was a small sample size at D1. He’d like to see more than one year at D1.

Well no sh!t. That would be great, I agree, but we’re here now.

He mentioned Huss as an alternative to McCollum but didn’t go in depth. Maybe Huss would be a good choice. Not familiar with him (yet).

This podcast doesn’t show me that McCollum and Archie are similar coaches.
Did you watch this one?

 
Why? Texas fired him for cause and there was no cause according you you, so they owe him millions, just like any other coach that is fired.

Or why not go back to Texas since he was wrongly fired.
I didn’t say there was no cause numbuts. Is it the only possible answer, of course not, but it is one. Maybe it was because he was guilty, but your presumption that he didn’t sue so he must be guilty is stoopid.
 
I didn’t say there was no cause numbuts. Is it the only possible answer, of course not, but it is one. Maybe it was because he was guilty, but your presumption that he didn’t sue so he must be guilty is stoopid.
No, that’s not at all why I think he did it.
 
Yeah, I'll be honest. I don't like the list of options. Chris Beard is the no doubt guy. He would bring back the tradition of IU looking like they know what they're doing in basketball.

If he says no, then I'd beg TJ Otz or Dusty May. That is also assuming the Stevens, Jay Wright, and Donovan were no goes.

I guess I would put BM somewhere in that next tier. McDermott at least has a fast paced offense. I just don't know if he can recruit at the highest level but he always seems to patch together good teams. Brownell has finally found a good group at Clemson. However, he wouldn't have near that much time to figure it out. Too risky of a hit and miss track record. Collins or Hoiberg have proven they can win in the B10 and Hoiberg also won in the B12. So those 5 would all be in their tier for me.
So I guess Dolson is back to searching through the 99%. Damn it
 
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