Wait, "after 16 years", recruits still don't realize that? They need "20 more games"?
Does Crean have any supporters left?
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Wait, "after 16 years", recruits still don't realize that? They need "20 more games"?
Are you saying the current 2017 class is good and Crean landed all his targets? Are in state recruits avoiding Crean?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Crean issue is not about his W's or L's. Rather, Crean plays a run and gun style which is the antithesis of historic Indiana basketball. I sincerely believe IU fans would get behind him if we could identify his strategy on the court or interpret his interviews. Know one understands what he is doing which makes it hard to be a fan.
Going to have to respectfully disagree with this. He has a 43% winning percentage in the Big Ten and has never made it further than the S16. It's all about wins and losses.
Historically, before Knight, we had the Hurryin' Hoosiers, who were run 'n' gun all the way. (There was even some grumbling in Knight's first couple years about his "slow" and "dull" style.) It's all about the Ws & Ls. Since our loses seem to stem mostly from our poor defense, that's what people complain about. Although I personally don't buy that that's our primary problem. For example, Syracuse was a failure of our offense to execute against their superior defense, and our losing streak against PU and Hammonds was due to Crean's insistence on driving the lane and allowing AJ to slam it back down our throats.
I disagree. Even if we "understood his basketball" but got our butts kicked every time he made the Sweet 16, I'd still want him gone.
Well he has 211 and counting replies to this thread what does that tell you about his support. You hort you.
I was following you until the "You hort you", then I was totally confused.
It IS about the W's and L's, which is directly related to his style of play.
A coach once told me "There isn't only one right way to play basketball". I favor the system that gets you the most consistent results. Crean - with a system that focuses on offense to the detriment of the defensive end - has shown repeatedly over his head coaching career what results he'll likely produce.
It is what it is.
Here are Crean's eight seasons:
2008-09 / 6-25 / 11th B1G / Missed Tourney
2009-10 / 10-21 / 9th B1G / Missed Tourney
2010-11 / 12-20 / 11th B1G / Missed Tourney
2011-12 / 27-9 / 5th B1G / Sweet 16
2012-13 / 29-7 / 1st B1G / Sweet 16
2013-14 / 17-15 / 8th B1G / Missed Tourney
2014-15 / 20-14 / 7th B1G / Second Rnd
2015-16 / 27-8 / 1st B1G / Sweet 16
If it was just about the W's and L's then I think he deserves this season without criticism, and maybe next barring a desaster. That's why I am suggesting it's more about belief in him and his philosophy.
About 60 of those wins are against Houston Baptist. He has a decent win percentage after the first three years because of his shitty schedule. Winning matters in March and he fails miserably.
I disagree. Crean has won a LOT of big games vs top opponents. He has definitely not consistently won game to game but his biggest issue is merely not knowing what team you're going to get. His schedules include a lot of bottom 200+ opponents but you can compare our top opponents with anyone. So I don't see his record changing much by replacing those schlubs with top 150-200 opponents but his RPI sure would improve drastically. Which is why a lot of people don't understand the logic behind his scheduling.
But lets not look back and act like Crean hasn't won big games for IU. Everyone knows his teams can compete in any game......but they seem to also be able to not compete in pretty much any game.
Agree but there is something wrong with a coach's system when a certain style can beat you even when you have superior talent. Crean is 2-16 against Wisconsin and while he has not always had better talent (I believe this year is a toss up) please remember Victor and Cody and the boys were beat in Bloomington and Indianapolis despite being from a talent prospective superior. Even through he has fared better against Butler IU gets "superior" recruits" and yet Butler wins more than they should.
Defense tends to allow for a more predictable outcome which I think IU fans are now showing they enjoy more. To this point this year, IU has been chaotic at times and my hope is that its wrangled in. I've seen Crean teams eliminate mistakes as the season goes on but without a decent defense, those mistakes stick out like sore thumb.
If our positive is offense and we are giving away possessions, it would be no different than a good defensive team giving up a large FT advantage to the other team. That tends to hurt them. One could even say, if you're turnover prone then how good of an offense are you truly? I think once the team discovers how much they need to value each possession they could do better but so far it's not been good since UNC. Essentially, we are just a good shooting team. With our rebounding capabilities, it takes being atrocious at defense and turning over the ball like we do on offense to have the results we've been providing.
You just posted the stats of a Coach who is winning 56% of his games overall and 43% of his games in Big Ten play and claim he shouldn't be criticized? The stats you provided are the exact reason people want him fired. Even If you throw out Creans's first 3 seasons his winning percentage in the Big Ten is 61%. Mike Davis's Big Ten winning percentage was 57%. Crean is Mike Davis 2.0.
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I meant giving up on their chance to meet out expectations. This is still a team with enough talent to do well. Unfortunately, they will need a favorable seed to advance to the Elite 8 and beyond. The gamble of a weak schedule didn't pay off when we lost to FW and Nebraska at home. Losing to Butler and UL was only bad because we needed them to offset those 300+ teams.
We can recover by doing things difficult for us to do. Win at Wisconsin and steal a win on the road against another one of the top 3 teams in the conference while protecting home court.
If that's how the season finishes then I agree that he's failed. Most thought this year would/should be another 14+ win year in the B1G which would put him around 66% winning percentage and growing over that span. So far, not so good.
this post is funnier now though I'm not sure it's the irony or the stupidity contributing to the humor.
Which Crean teams have eliminated mistakes as the season has gone on?
That's 8 percentage points higher, a fair amount. Plus, Izzo's teams sometimes underperform during the regular season, only to make up for it in March. Can you say the same about Crean's teams?
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I'm asking because I'm too lazy to do the research for comparisons. If you are coming from the perspective that he is going to win a national title then the numbers and key wins are probably enough to keep giving him seasons. My perspective is that he won't get it done, so every year is just wasted time.
10/10. Pretty sad that a conference rival has to come on the to be the voice of reason.
This makes no sense. The rest of the conference loves him for winning the conference?
To be a true fan you have to support the coach? I don't think so.
The other 2 years between the 2 conference titles Crean was 16-20.
I know Northwestern loves Crean....lol
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