Do you want X dismissed from the team?
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At this point I’d be ok with it. I know that if he starts Friday night, I’m done with Woody.
Suspend him and no way he can be a captain. Too many bad decisions in his career
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We’ve had guys booted for much less than X has done during his 3 years in Bloomington. But that was during the Knight era. For better or worse, it’s a different day in college athletics. I am totally ambivalent on this question.
Not dismissed, but at a minimum he shouldn't start next game. Aside from being a dirty play that he got busted for, it probably cost us the game because it looked like he was going to play within himself the second half.
It is a different day in sports but I also think society. Far fewer manners, less common decency, less discipline response.
A one game suspension is warranted or don’t start him in next game, at minimum.
Players need to be held accountable. I was very disappointed that MM received no on court punishment for his actions at Taco Bell before the season.
Players need to be held accountable. I was very disappointed that MM received no on court punishment for his actions at Taco Bell before the season.
Doesn’t matter because it’s not going to happen under this staff. 24 years old and less mature than kids on an 8th grade team. Should have moved on from him anyway.
No. That being said, I'm not going to shed any tears when he's gone next year. He is not consistent and literally took himself out of the game yesterday. I would settle for a Patrick Ewing getting into John Starks' face and chewing his ass out for getting thrown out of the game response from somebody.
I bet you he does. Woodson is soft
It might be but as long as you let the kids control things with zero consequenses expect it to keep happening over and over again.
I guarantee you that Woodson knows how things were handled by RMK and we have opinion but the internal workings of the program are speculated about but don''t always get openly communicated although in this day of social media there are a lot of so called experts about what goes on behind closed doors.
Old timers know the real story about Woodson, Tommy Baker and Roberson. Two of the three were kicked off the team after the Alaska trip. RMK gave them all chances.
Old timers know the real story about Woodson, Tommy Baker and Roberson. Two of the three were kicked off the team after the Alaska trip. RMK gave them all chances.
He should have been let go two years ago. He’s an embarrassment to the program without the potential for winning big. He’s the only player that I have disagreed with Woodson’s handling of.
Like who? I recall threats of guys getting booted, but it seems like he often gave them another chance and I think I recall that at times he took a vote of the team to see if they wanted someone back. That whole Alaska affair that involved Woody, I don't think anyone got booted for and I think he considered it for both Coverdale and Pat Knight, but ultimately kept both. Funderburke left on his own. How did Sherron leave? But, who did he actually boot? I'm sure some of the guys that left, he encouraged them, but I don't recall guys that he actually booted?
Tommy Baker......fast as hell and could jump through the roof. My buddy and I called him "Passin' Tommy". It was a sad day when he got booted.
Google help from The NY Times.
My memory isn’t a sharp as it used to be, but I was pretty confident Roberson, Baker, and Cox got the boot. Several others indefinitely suspended, including our current leader of men.
The article says Trent Smock got booted at some other time. I’m sure I’d forgotten that one.
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Immaturity in a senior leader is the ultimate cancer on a team.
I actually do think it is time to cut bait on X. He clearly has his own agenda, and I have to assume that what we see on the court and hear about from his off the court behavior extends all the way down with him. I'd rather see this team do its best finishing out with Cupps, Gallo, and Gunn handling the ball, lean heavily on the posts, and then dive deep for guards in the portal.
I actually do think it is time to cut bait on X. He clearly has his own agenda, and I have to assume that what we see on the court and hear about from his off the court behavior extends all the way down with him. I'd rather see this team do its best finishing out with Cupps, Gallo, and Gunn handling the ball, lean heavily on the posts, and then dive deep for guards in the portal.
This has already been discussed ad nauseam. The biggest problem with X's behavior is that he's a 6th year senior and supposed team leader. He should have a different standard applied to him than an 18 year old Freshman who is away from home for the first time in his life.
They're both officially "adults," but we know that both cases aren't the same. The fact that X is doing this stuff at his age is highly problematic. I don't know if it indicates a complete lack of leadership on this team or not, but it is troubling.
They're both officially "adults," but we know that both cases aren't the same. The fact that X is doing this stuff at his age is highly problematic. I don't know if it indicates a complete lack of leadership on this team or not, but it is troubling.
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I remember that him and somebody else got in trouble on that Alaskan trip and they got booted. I can't remember who the other person was? Jim Roberson?
That is my prediction. I believe that inaction will turn many Hoosiers away from Woody.
Maybe some recruits as well? Would they say they want accountability? Don’t know about players but if X stays on the team, I will be fine with Woodson’s firing.
In today's culture, seems like most everything is excused if you're delivering...
Personally, I think he's had his second chances (offcourt stuff). I'm more disappointed with CMW in the presser. CMW was terse, defensive and called the incident a "fiasco" How about referencing the action and stating that it was bush league bullshit and we're not going to tolerate it at IU?? CMW had better of had a 1:1 meeting with X today.
Just because you can't use the same tactics as RMK in today's world, you can still have the same values.
I'm honestly done and will not like this team with X at the helm. He's a shitty leader, poor mechanics, made of glass and I'd rather lose 3-5 more games without him than with him in this shitshow of a season.
Personally, I think he's had his second chances (offcourt stuff). I'm more disappointed with CMW in the presser. CMW was terse, defensive and called the incident a "fiasco" How about referencing the action and stating that it was bush league bullshit and we're not going to tolerate it at IU?? CMW had better of had a 1:1 meeting with X today.
Just because you can't use the same tactics as RMK in today's world, you can still have the same values.
I'm honestly done and will not like this team with X at the helm. He's a shitty leader, poor mechanics, made of glass and I'd rather lose 3-5 more games without him than with him in this shitshow of a season.
Might just be people's perception of words. I didn't watch the presser. But to call something a "fiasco" is pretty damning at least the way I've seen the word used and by its dictionary definition: "a complete failure, esp one that is ignominious or humiliating"
Because we’re doing so great with him?
Nope. But it’s similar to the “this team is better without X” crowd. X might not be a great player or leader, but to say this team is better without him is complete nonsense. Did you see what we looked like last night after he was ejected?
Let’s also not act like X is the first player in college basketball to cheap shot someone below the belt. Grayson Allen made a career out of doing shit like this on a basketball court.
IMHO, the "C" should have been ripped off of him last night, starts the next game on the bench, and has zero tolerance from this point on. And since I'm being totally honest, if this team had a legitimate replacement for him now, I would have made him fly back home commercial and his locker would have been emptied out.
Absolutely not condoning what he did. But dismissal from the team, that’s a little steep.
I hate to say it, but this team is so desperate for effective guard play that there will be no repercussions. Woodson understands that the season is on the line (and ultimately, his job) so he is unlikely to drop X or even reduce minutes. Woodson can look at the X Ohio State game and understand that he can’t get that game from anyone else.
I would guess there would be some behind the scenes minor punishment of some sort. But no suspension or reduced minutes.
I would guess there would be some behind the scenes minor punishment of some sort. But no suspension or reduced minutes.
I guess I interpreted it as a major downplay and individually focused. I wanted him to condemn it as insulting the history of the program, current program and team brand. I never heard him say one thing about it being absolutely unacceptable..just seemed as if it was regarded as an individual gaffe.
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Had this been his first or second issue, I would totally agree. But it all adds up AND he's a 6th year senior doing this BS.
I mean if that's where we are, we don't have a program worthy of the name on the shirt. I'd rather we miss the tournament than condone (even tacitly) that sort of conduct by a player.
And I'm not sure that dismissal is appropriate here, but neither is doing nothing.
In hockey if you get ejected from a game you sit the next one as well. That's the minimum that should happen.
It really doesn’t matter anymore.
This season is a disaster whether he stays or goes.
This season is a disaster whether he stays or goes.
Zeller did it. But he also didnt have the backround X has brought either.
X is a head case, always has been. The team comes first. I don't care if you have zero other guards that cannot affect your decision on suspending/dismissing this guy. Woodson is not the guy a lot of people think he is from a coaching standpoint - weak with no discipline.
Dude I hate to break this to you, but however many wins we get in the conference ain't gonna be enough to get us into the Big Dance.
Just ain't happening this year and if getting boat raced by Nebraska and Rutgers didn't show you this, with X on the floor while we were getting our asses kicked (and Johnson was AWFUL for 95% of yesterday's game while he was on the floor) then I'm not sure what to tell you.
This team isn't good and our guards suck. With X or without X, our guards suck.
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