Do you support a ban on purchasing semi-auto AR-15 style rifles?
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That guy is full of crap. Took 2 seconds to google. They marketed the AR as “the sporter”. The original 1959 ad from colt marketed the rifle to police. Try fact checking these without some guy from Wichita that has no supporting articles.Actually you have it backwards, according to self-described longtime gun enthusiast (and former NRA member) Dion Lefler, who is known for debunking gun myths... On the subject of "assault rifles"...
"The AR does stand for Armalite, but that’s about as true as this myth gets. The gun was developed under a Pentagon bid specification — I’ve read it — specifically seeking a “semi-automatic assault rifle” for troops.
Armalite sold the design to Colt, which cranked out two versions — the military M-16 in selective fire and the civilian AR-15 in semi-automatic.
AR-15s and their copycats — along with cheaper Chinese knockoffs of the Soviet AK-47 — were called assault rifles in gun catalogs, gun magazines and by owners until well into the 2000s.
But the term got a bad reputation after assault rifles became the weapon of choice for random mass shootings, because they’re the most capable and formidable weapons a civilian can buy.
In 2009, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a gun industry trade association, coined a new and softer term — “modern sporting rifle” — and demanded everybody use it."
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It is, but a Garand has what, an 8 round clip IIRC? 8 bangs and then ping and you have to reload? .30-06 is typically hunting ammo though. And to be honest, I think those who say they have an issue with bans have the issue around topics like this, because it is really easy to have that ban creep because the people saying "we have to do something" are by and large completely clueless on guns except for knowing they go pew-pew..30-06 is the same caliber as the M1 Garand rifle used in WWII.
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- In 2016, there were 11,004 gun homicides (65% handguns, 6% rifle/shotgun, 30% other/unknown type)[84]
- In 2014, there were 8,124 gun homicides (68% handguns, 6% rifle/shotgun, 25% other/unknown type).[85]
- In 2010, there were 8,775 gun homicides (68% handguns, 8% rifle/shotgun, 23% other/unknown type).[13]
- In 2001, there were 8,890 gun homicides (78% handguns, 10% rifle/shotguns, 12% other/unknown type).[86]
I do recognize that. I did up above. Arguing that an 18 year old is still a dummy who cannot be expected to make rational decisions for themselves is pretty true. So how are we going to allow them to sign contracts to join an institution that is possible to ship them to a foreign country to die? And the military has not been used to fight an existential threat to this country in your lifetime, let alone mine. My Grandpas were the last ones to do so. Every war since then has been a war of choice. Maybe we allow 18 year olds in but they cannot be in combat until 21. "Well that is stupid Crazy." Is it? You can't drink because you cannot be trusted to. Can't rent a car. Don't want you buying a gun, but we will allow you to have one if you sign on this dotted line for 4 years and go off to some third world shithole to defend Democracy (where it doesn't exist). Can't be trusted to do those other things but you are old enough to sign up and catch a bullet for War, Inc.
Raise the age, but raise it for everything. Take their guns and their right to vote. If we are moving the age of adulthood to 21, then that is what it should be.
These weapons of war should not exist outside of the military and police. No logical reason for them.
Isn't the problem with the AR-type weapons the energy the rounds carry. A bullet can miss vital organs but the shock waves turn organs into mush. Weapons with less energy don't do that. So to solve the issue of what is an "assault rifle" just base the age limit on the energy of the round? The main part of the energy comes from muzzle velocity, but a 45 can travel a little slower than a 22 and still generate more energy.
It won't stop school shootings, but it will help make sure there aren't 15 killed and 2 wounded but more like 2 killed and 15 wounded.
I saw an article in 538 suggesting that many of these shootings are really suicide attempts. If so, we can tie in what Gladwell wrote about in a book, people who try to commit suicide have a specific method in mind and won't try suicide if that specific method isn't available. Right now these people seem to have in mind they are going out in a blaze of glory with their military-style weapon. It probably makes them feel more manly.
It won't stop school shootings, but it will help make sure there aren't 15 killed and 2 wounded but more like 2 killed and 15 wounded.
I saw an article in 538 suggesting that many of these shootings are really suicide attempts. If so, we can tie in what Gladwell wrote about in a book, people who try to commit suicide have a specific method in mind and won't try suicide if that specific method isn't available. Right now these people seem to have in mind they are going out in a blaze of glory with their military-style weapon. It probably makes them feel more manly.
Yeah, that's it.
Best for you just to remain ignorant. If you knew how the real world worked, it would blow your little mind.
I disagree we haven't fought an existential threat to our country in our lifetime. I don't know how you can think 9/11 was anything but that. If we hadn't stopped terrorism in its tracks after that, we'd be experiencing foreign terrorism (domestic terrorism is still real, but more manageable) threats all over the country.
Here's the thing about joining the military at 18 - it's not like you walk in off the streets and they issue you a rifle. You earn the right to that weapon by proving you can obey orders from your superiors and manage that weapon safely and are not a threat to your fellow military members.
Trust me - the military is not life like civilians know it. When you require 18 year olds managing multi-million dollar weapon systems, you don't assign Joe Blow from the block to do it.
That's pretty different than handing over a rifle to any 18 year old who wants one.
We have age limits on driving, drinking, voting, etc. I don't see why 18 is sacrosanct for buying a certain kind of weapon. I'm not saying they couldn't use a rifle when under the supervision of a responsible adult or even have one in the home, if certain criteria were met.
For instance, I suggested earlier that at the very least, if an 18 year old wanted to buy a gun, that he get a letter from his family doctor showing he is psychologically fit to own one. I realize most doctors would be loathe to vouch for anyone, but that's the idea - I don't want Joe Crazy just out of high school getting one. Yes, it would block many 18 year olds who are no danger to society, but we're at the point now that the crazies are making life dangerous for most of us. If someone has to wait 3 years to buy a rifle, well, that's the price we pay for a sick society.
As with any law, there can be exceptions carved out for veterans or 18-21 year olds holding certain jobs that require firearms - security type jobs. But again, someone - the hiring company - would be vouching for that person.
Yes, suicide is the driver for many of these shootings. That's why this is a societal and mental health problem.
If guns aren't available, people will use other means, like autos, to go out with a bang.
It's happening other places: https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...in-least-10-injured-gemanys-rbb24-2022-06-08/
Ok, I’ll go buy a couple cokes from the general store and ol grandpa can tell me about the real world on the porch in his rocker.
Your thumb, your ass. Do the math
If you stick your thumb in your ass, don't suck on it.
I'm not sure what the general store has to do with insurance. Maybe that's your problem.
This video probably will not be popular, because CNN. But he makes the point I made, Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines are not allowed to have guns in their barracks or on ships. Not even their personally owned guns. So why does it make sense an 18-year-old failing high school can get one with minimal effort.
This guys solution, a required safety class, a time at a shooting range to display some proficiency, and an affidavit that the weapon will be stored safely so if it is not the person can be held accountable. I don't know if those 3 ideas would work or not, but like him, I don't see any way banning guns is an option. Making 21 the age MIGHT work but I seriously doubt that's going to get votes. So can his ideas work?
This guys solution, a required safety class, a time at a shooting range to display some proficiency, and an affidavit that the weapon will be stored safely so if it is not the person can be held accountable. I don't know if those 3 ideas would work or not, but like him, I don't see any way banning guns is an option. Making 21 the age MIGHT work but I seriously doubt that's going to get votes. So can his ideas work?
This is part of the reason why we're never gonna change as a country.
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While I've owned three high cap, semi-auto rifles of the 7.62 variety (and still do) since I was 18, I would 100% support raising the age limit to 21 -- or even higher -- and requiring universal background checks on all purchases. Knowing what I know about my own cavelier handling of firearms when I was younger and knowing what we all know about the psychological fragility of teens, it makes complete sense to add rigor into the law. With that said, I voted "No" to your hypothetical ban.
I f’ed up last night. I was showing my wife how to assemble the upper and lower on a rifle. My ten year old son walked in with his friend and I was cavalier in acknowledging them. I kept on and then realized the friend probably hasn’t had any interaction with a gun. I immediately stopped and put it away. How thoughtless was I. Under current circumstances I could’ve traumatized him. I always keep them unloaded. Ammo separate. I felt horrible and couldn’t sleep. I’m going to talk to his parents about it. Right thing to do.
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I posted a rather lengthy excerpt of an interview from book authors who studied the mass shooting phenomena who said that a useful way to look at these incidents is to term them "violent suicides." They WANT to die in the process.
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