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Darian DeVries Thoughts

If we know before the tournament starts (Thursday), its someone who is not currently coaching or their team is not in the tourney.
Maybe by the end of the weekend (Monday morning) when some of the candidates teams lose?
 
So Dolson fired a coach with two NCAA tournament wins for one with zero. Smart, very smart.

So UK got rid of a coach with many NCAA tournament wins (and a Championship) for one with zero. Smart, very smart.

So UNC replaced a coach with many NCAA tournament wins (and 3 Championships) with one with zero. Smart, very smart.

So Duke replaced a coach with many NCAA tournament wins (and 5 Championships) with one with zero. Smart, very smart.
 
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So UK got rid of a coach with many NCAA tournament wins (and a Championship) for one with zero. Smart, very smart.

So UNC replaced a coach with many NCAA tournament wins (and 3 Championships) with one with zero. Smart, very smart.

So Duke replaced a coach with many NCAA tournament wins (and 5 Championships) with one with zero. Smart, very smart.
Not sure that's the argument you think it is.

2/3 are in significantly worse positions.

Duke just needs more time.
 
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Not sure that's the argument you think it is.

2/3 are in significantly worse positions.

Duke just needs more time.
I’m not arguing that hiring a coach with zero tournament wins is a proven winning formula. My point is that if IU hires a coach with zero NCAA tournament wins it won’t necessarily be a bad thing, and that it is more of an indication that is what the coaching market will bear at the present.
 
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So UK got rid of a coach with many NCAA tournament wins (and a Championship) for one with zero. Smart, very smart.

So UNC replaced a coach with many NCAA tournament wins (and 3 Championships) with one with zero. Smart, very smart.

So Duke replaced a coach with many NCAA tournament wins (and 5 Championships) with one with zero. Smart, very smart.
Roy Williams and Coach K retired and chose their successors. Calipari was not winning like he used to do and felt the heat so he bolted.
 
Roy Williams and Coach K retired and chose their successors. Calipari was not winning like he used to do and felt the heat so he bolted.
UNC, Duke, and UK all had the opportunity to hire many of the coaches that are rumored to be on the market at the present, no matter the circumstances of the job opening. I understand the internal pressures that UNC and Duke faced, but UK faced no such pressures and they ultimately hired a coach with zero tournament wins. Why do you think they made that choice?
 
But I remember reading Dolson wants someone who knows how to navigate the portal and can do so right away. He brought in eight portal guys last year and McCullum really has no experience with the portal. I am really thinking this is who it is going to be.
Why would Dolson just jump on the guy that’s available right now because his team is not in the tournament. I would think he would want to interview all his candidates first, and would hope most are still in the tournament. Nothing is going to be announced until he gets an acceptance from one of his top targets. And if those targets are still in tournament, it’s our waiting time.
If DeVries is Dolson’s top target then ok.
But I wouldn’t think he would be.
 
Why would Dolson just jump on the guy that’s available right now because his team is not in the tournament. I would think he would want to interview all his candidates first, and would hope most are still in the tournament. Nothing is going to be announced until he gets an acceptance from one of his top targets. And if those targets are still in tournament, it’s our waiting time.
If DeVries is Dolson’s top target then ok.
But I wouldn’t think he would be.
Here is the thing. We've known this was happening since December. It's not new.

3 months, in coaching, is an eternity. If Dolson didn't have his guy lined-up by the end of February, it's utter failure, although I don't put all of that on Scott. The board and donors screwed up last year by not making the completely obvious hire in Dusty May. Always a year late. Missed on Matta with Davis. Missed on Stevens keeping Crean. Missed on May keeping Woodson. In each and every situation we knew the outcome, but the leaders didn't lead and make the prudent, but tough, decision.
 
Here is the thing. We've known this was happening since December. It's not new.

3 months, in coaching, is an eternity. If Dolson didn't have his guy lined-up by the end of February, it's utter failure, although I don't put all of that on Scott. The board and donors screwed up last year by not making the completely obvious hire in Dusty May. Always a year late. Missed on Matta with Davis. Missed on Stevens keeping Crean. Missed on May keeping Woodson. In each and every situation we knew the outcome, but the leaders didn't lead and make the prudent, but tough, decision.
And in four years IU will be in this same position again. DeVries is the ultimate milquetoast hire and shows definitively that IU does not want to win a championship.
 
Here is the thing. We've known this was happening since December. It's not new.

3 months, in coaching, is an eternity. If Dolson didn't have his guy lined-up by the end of February, it's utter failure, although I don't put all of that on Scott. The board and donors screwed up last year by not making the completely obvious hire in Dusty May. Always a year late. Missed on Matta with Davis. Missed on Stevens keeping Crean. Missed on May keeping Woodson. In each and every situation we knew the outcome, but the leaders didn't lead and make the prudent, but tough, decision.
I still don’t believe that ANY active coach would have or consider having a discussion with Dolson before their teams season was ended. I’m sure Dolson has had feelers out, but would he truly expect an active coach to not concentrate ONLY on his current team? If that coach thinks otherwise, why would you want him?
 
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And in four years IU will be in this same position again. DeVries is the ultimate milquetoast hire and shows definitively that IU does not want to win a championship.
I want this hire to take a long time. At least it might mean Dolson is doing his job correctly and weighing all options, not just quick ones.
 
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I still don’t believe that ANY active coach would have or consider having a discussion with Dolson before their teams season was ended. I’m sure Dolson has had feelers out, but would he truly expect an active coach to not concentrate ONLY on his current team? If that coach thinks otherwise, why would you want him?
Because this happens, literally, every second of every day. Its the primary function of LinkedIn. Anyone worth their salt is at least open to a conversation. It gives them leverage (for a raise) or an opportunity to say no.
 
Doesn't really fit Dolson's MO. But Dolson is probably also looking at process along with results and if he feels like the process/person translate to more success at Indiana, then he'll like the guy. In general.

That said, I don't think it's Devries.

I'll add that, IF this is a done deal and there's an announcement this week, then it's not Devries because he was definitely (not rumored) to be in Iowa City Monday. If he had agreed to something with us with an imminent announcement ahead, he's done shopping.
I now think it is probably him
 
Because this happens, literally, every second of every day. Its the primary function of LinkedIn. Anyone worth their salt is at least open to a conversation. It gives them leverage (for a raise) or an opportunity to say no.
Maybe so. I wouldn’t know about the LinkedIn thing.. I still own a VCR😂
I know Cignetti accepted job with IU before JMU was finished playing, but basically the season was over for them other than a bowl game. Don’t think an announcement would be made though about a coach still in the tournament. Might have quite a few games left.
 
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And in four years IU will be in this same position again. DeVries is the ultimate milquetoast hire and shows definitively that IU does not want to win a championship.
If it's DeVries and that's the best we could get well OK I guess, but I hope he's on a very short leash. Needs to be on a clear upward trend by year two and year three better do something pretty good or out. Coaches don't get 4, 5, 6 years in this new world, and a decade of modest success is not what we're hiring for (even though that's better than what we've had).
 
It seems like he's a guy that's largely flown under the radar. But there seems to be some smoke on him being the guy...so lets discuss him.

I think he's probably a solid choice, but there are a few concerns I'd have with him.

1. How much of his recent success was attributed to his son? They seemed to fall off a fair bit when Tucker got hurt this year. That isn't abnormal, he's really good, and most college programs fall off when their best player goes down...but if you take his last 3 years at Drake away, he doesn't have a lot to go off of.

2. He never won the Valley regular season championship. He won 20+ games every year, and fielded really good Valley level teams, but he never won the league.

3. Mixed results in post season tournaments. On one hand, he won some Valley tournaments, which is good. But then, he hasn't won any NCAA tournament games. The success in the Valley tournaments is probably a good sign with respect to IU...as it shows he's able to get them playing well, and beating, peer opponents, in March. IU's peer opponents, hopefully, will be top 15-20 level teams every year. So if he can beat his peers at IU, probably will mean some NCAA success on top of B10 success.

I'd MUCH rather have McCollum than DeVries. I'd much rather have guys like McCasland, Beard, May...obviously some of the whales. But I think I'd rather have DeVries than Brownell types. But that is more of a "feeling" than anything else. I haven't committed really any time studying his philosophies, offenses, defenses, etc... Has anyone on here?
Take the best player off any team and there's a price to be paid. They had six quad 1 wins this year and several stiffs were picked ahead of them in the tournament, iMV he'd be a great pick and his son would probably be along for the ride.
 
I'll be extremely dissapointed if it's DeVries, and I'm sure I'm not alone here.
Let's see. He only beat Gonzaga, Zona, Iowa State and three other quad one teams this season and got stiffed out of the NCAAT. He or McConnell will probably get the Iowa job. They are both very good coaches who will get better with IU's NIl resources.
 
Let's see. He only beat Gonzaga, Zona, Iowa State and three other quad one teams this season and got stiffed out of the NCAAT. He or McConnell will probably get the Iowa job. They are both very good coaches who will get better with IU's NIl resources.
If it is him, I hope you and more so Dolson are right
 
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There season is over he could be named now it's not him. Also is Iowa job better then West Virginia it's pretty even to me.
 
It would be INCREDIBLY disappointing if we ended up with DeVries. That resume isn't it. 7 seasons and one conf championship, in his first year, at that. Double digit losses in 4 of those 7 seasons. I'd be more excited with Bryce Drew than that, and I certainly don't want Bryce Drew.
 
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It would be INCREDIBLY disappointing if we ended up with DeVries. That resume isn't it. 7 seasons and one conf championship, in his first year, at that. Double digit losses in 4 of those 7 seasons. I'd be more excited with Bryce Drew than that, and I certainly don't want Bryce Drew.
But honestly did you deep down really expect more? IU is just god awful at hiring basketball coaches. The good ones they can get they always wait to long on and someone else hires them. Its not like Dolson did not have five months to figure out to hire or anything though!
 
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Decent chance Devries is using this to get more $ and player payroll from WVU. IU may still be targeting Ben or someone else...
 
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