Covid restrictions are on the way back

[abraxis]

Most people don't die from wars either, but they're still tragic and something we should work hard to avoid.

More than a million Americans died from COVID. Three of my basketball friends died from it. While I can say each of them died early in the process, it only underscores how inept the previous pResident was at handling it from the start.

COVID has been the third leading cause of death each of the last three years. (I read that somewhere recently. Hard to look it up where I am right this moment.) More could've been done in the early stages, which would've saved lives. It probably wouldn't have led to shutdowns, just social distancing, restrictions on occupancy, etc.

(Insert someone (not you) with a moronic rant about government control.)


90% efficacy rate at the time I got my shots, depending on which one you get. I haven't contracted COVID. I took the first round of Pfizer shots. I have not been boosted and don't really plan to unless my doctor suggests it.

I'm very social. I wouldn't say I was careful as things started to open back up, only doing what I was required do in regards to masks and social distancing.

My point is the efficacy rate is the efficacy rate.

As for Jill Biden getting it, she has been on a tour of high schools, including Westfield HS in Indiana. She's around far more people outside of the government than Joe is.


You realize that's in China, right?

We’ll never know how many of these already riddled-with-disease old people actually died “of Covid”or “with Covid”. This is where the numbers can become skewed to one’s liking. Wasn’t it reported hospitals received more funding, based upon supposing deaths “of Covid”? Money does the talking when it comes to reporting government funded research…think Climate Change here and it’s purported “scientific truth”.

OT - BTW, did you know that 35% of greenhouse gas emissions comes from jet airline contrails? (56% from burning fossil fuels). I had always suspected diffused contrails affect the amount of sunlight reaching the earth’s surface, but find 35% surprisingly high, yet no public outcry? Why?

 

[stollcpa]

hmmm. you won't get any argument from me that trump had no idea how to handle it. i think he totally blundered covid, but from a perspective you likely wouldn't agree with. that said, i think our response was more an agency failure than presidential. the agencies we rely on for this stuff, that are literally created and spend all of their days in preparation for same, were worthless. it also gives rise to what some of us liked about trump. he didn't want to immediately give our yearly check to the WHO. let's see what we get for that check. and i realize they do far more than covid stuff, but his instincts are right. enter biden and of course we just fund with little question. bc 50 years of gov what else would you expect

Other than banning travel from China early and being called a xenophobe, when did Trump go against Fauci and the governmental agency?

I am not saying he didn’t, I am just asking. What were the big blunders where Trump overruled the scientists?

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Most people don't die from wars either, but they're still tragic and something we should work hard to avoid.

More than a million Americans died from COVID. Three of my basketball friends died from it. While I can say each of them died early in the process, it only underscores how inept the previous pResident was at handling it from the start.

COVID has been the third leading cause of death each of the last three years. (I read that somewhere recently. Hard to look it up where I am right this moment.) More could've been done in the early stages, which would've saved lives. It probably wouldn't have led to shutdowns, just social distancing, restrictions on occupancy, etc.

(Insert someone (not you) with a moronic rant about government control.)


90% efficacy rate at the time I got my shots, depending on which one you get. I haven't contracted COVID. I took the first round of Pfizer shots. I have not been boosted and don't really plan to unless my doctor suggests it.

I'm very social. I wouldn't say I was careful as things started to open back up, only doing what I was required do in regards to masks and social distancing.

My point is the efficacy rate is the efficacy rate.

As for Jill Biden getting it, she has been on a tour of high schools, including Westfield HS in Indiana. She's around far more people outside of the government than Joe is.


You realize that's in China, right?

I think he is just going through his talking points that someone handed him.

As long as some people didn't get symptoms then it means it was a harmless disease.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Other than banning travel from China early and being called a xenophobe, when did Trump go against Fauci and the governmental agency?

I am not saying he didn’t, I am just asking. What were the big blunders where Trump overruled the scientists?

that's why i wrote that he probably wouldn't like my perspective. imo he gave fauci too much air time. fauci time gave rise to the extended school closings and shutdowns where they weren't necessary. pritzker in cook county shutting down southern ill etc. the narratives of hospitals being overwhelmed etc. it was gov at its worst without any sound plan. and of course in the years to follow nothing has been done to prepare for the next one. igw had a lot of good ideas, as much as it pains me to say it

 

[outside shooter]

Do we really know how effective these shots are?

There have been some high powered, high profile studies on it, so yes, especially dealing with the issue of DEATH. Here's one from Imperial College, UK

"We estimated that vaccinations prevented 14.4 million deaths from COVID-19 (95% credible interval [Crl] 13·7–15·9) in 185 countries and territories between Dec 8, 2020, and Dec 8, 2021.
This estimate rose to 19.8 million deaths from COVID-19 averted (95% Crl 19·1–20·4) when we used excess deaths as an estimate of the true extent of the pandemic, representing a global reduction of 63% in total deaths (19·8 million of 31·4 million) during the first year of COVID-19 vaccination.

Global impact of the first year of COVID-19 vaccination: a mathematical modelling study

COVID-19 vaccination has substantially altered the course of the pandemic, saving tens of millions of lives globally. However, inadequate access to vaccines in low-income countries has limited the impact in these settings, reinforcing the need for global vaccine equity and coverage.

www.thelancet.com

So, in the first year the number of deaths averted was more than 3 times the number of deaths in the Holocaust using excess death statistics to adjust for widespread underreporting of COVID deaths in many countries. If you disagree that any underreporting happened, then in the first year the number of deaths averted was more than 2 times the number of deaths in the Holocaust.

take your pick

 

[stollcpa]

There have been some high powered, high profile studies on it, so yes, especially dealing with the issue of DEATH. Here's one from Imperial College, UK

"We estimated that vaccinations prevented 14.4 million deaths from COVID-19 (95% credible interval [Crl] 13·7–15·9) in 185 countries and territories between Dec 8, 2020, and Dec 8, 2021.
This estimate rose to 19.8 million deaths from COVID-19 averted (95% Crl 19·1–20·4) when we used excess deaths as an estimate of the true extent of the pandemic, representing a global reduction of 63% in total deaths (19·8 million of 31·4 million) during the first year of COVID-19 vaccination.

Global impact of the first year of COVID-19 vaccination: a mathematical modelling study

COVID-19 vaccination has substantially altered the course of the pandemic, saving tens of millions of lives globally. However, inadequate access to vaccines in low-income countries has limited the impact in these settings, reinforcing the need for global vaccine equity and coverage.

www.thelancet.com

So, in the first year the number of deaths averted was more than 3 times the number of deaths in the Holocaust using excess death statistics to adjust for widespread underreporting of COVID deaths in many countries. If you disagree that any underreporting happened, then in the first year the number of deaths averted was more than 2 times the number of deaths in the Holocaust.

take your pick

Seriously, we’re supposed to think these numbers really what happened?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Seriously, we’re supposed to think these numbers really what happened?

You can just feel how this board has changed. The newfound confidence (arrogance) with how these people post, knowing that they no longer have to worry that DANC is up! POW!!! BAM!!! BANG!!! Their arguments reduced to the scrap heap they belong!

 

[stollcpa]

You can just feel how this board has changed. The newfound confidence (arrogance) with how these people post, knowing that they no longer have to worry that DANC is up! POW!!! BAM!!! BANG!!! Their arguments reduced to the scrap heap they belong!

Yea and the who banned him on the Cooler wasn’t even supposed to be banning anyone on the Cooler.

 

[outside shooter]

Seriously, we’re supposed to think these numbers really what happened?

You could rely on different studies and get different numbers, but still way up in the MILLIONS....

A study with authors from Yale and U Maryland, just using USA data: "From December 2020 through November 2022, we estimate that the COVID-19 vaccination program in the U.S. prevented more than 18.5 million additional hospitalizations and 3.2 million additional deaths".

Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths

Evidence supports the debate over whether or not vaccines help COVID management and transmission. Discover what ways COVID vaccines have helped.

www.commonwealthfund.org

a study just on Europe, shows >1 million lives saved there

Over 1 Million Lives Saved Across Europe by COVID-19 Vaccines

New research shows that 96% of all lives saved were in adults aged 60 and older. COVID-19 vaccination directly saved at least 1,004,927 lives across Europe between December 2020 and March 2023, according to new research being presented at this year’s European Congress of Clinical Microbiology &am

scitechdaily.com

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Seriously, we’re supposed to think these numbers really what happened?

Since it didn't come out of Trump's mouth or from News Max / Fox News, of course not. Anything else is fake news. duh

 

[outside shooter]

Their arguments reduced to the scrap heap they belong!

Let me weigh the data...

So over here I have prominent virologists, epidemiologists, and statistical modellers from Imperial College, Yale, Duke, Harvard, Oxford, etc.

Then over there I have some random dude from Bumblefudge Indiana telling us that his sister's dog trainer's cousin got a COVID shot that made his junk turn blue.

Gee, I don't know WHAT to believe!

 

[Spartans9312]

Let me weigh the data...

So over here I have prominent virologists, epidemiologists, and statistical modellers from Imperial College, Yale, Duke, Harvard, Oxford, etc.

Then over there I have some random dude from Bumblefudge Indiana telling us that his sister's dog trainer's cousin got a COVID shot that made his junk turn blue.

Gee, I don't know WHAT to believe!

Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see

 

[outside shooter]

Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see

Does that apply only to the scientific studies, or does it also apply to the random dudes from Bumblefudge Indiana telling us that their sister's dog trainer's cousin got a COVID shot that made his junk turn blue?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Let me weigh the data...

So over here I have prominent virologists, epidemiologists, and statistical modellers from Imperial College, Yale, Duke, Harvard, Oxford, etc.

Then over there I have some random dude from Bumblefudge Indiana telling us that his sister's dog trainer's cousin got a COVID shot that made his junk turn blue.

Gee, I don't know WHAT to believe!

yes we're all very grateful to scientists for reducing the impact of a pandemic science created

 

[abraxis]

There have been some high powered, high profile studies on it, so yes, especially dealing with the issue of DEATH. Here's one from Imperial College, UK

"We estimated that vaccinations prevented 14.4 million deaths from COVID-19 (95% credible interval [Crl] 13·7–15·9) in 185 countries and territories between Dec 8, 2020, and Dec 8, 2021.
This estimate rose to 19.8 million deaths from COVID-19 averted (95% Crl 19·1–20·4) when we used excess deaths as an estimate of the true extent of the pandemic, representing a global reduction of 63% in total deaths (19·8 million of 31·4 million) during the first year of COVID-19 vaccination.

Global impact of the first year of COVID-19 vaccination: a mathematical modelling study

COVID-19 vaccination has substantially altered the course of the pandemic, saving tens of millions of lives globally. However, inadequate access to vaccines in low-income countries has limited the impact in these settings, reinforcing the need for global vaccine equity and coverage.

www.thelancet.com

So, in the first year the number of deaths averted was more than 3 times the number of deaths in the Holocaust using excess death statistics to adjust for widespread underreporting of COVID deaths in many countries. If you disagree that any underreporting happened, then in the first year the number of deaths averted was more than 2 times the number of deaths in the Holocaust.

take your pick

Okay, a publicly funded (think dollars dolled out to find something noteworthy) research institute in London with 22,000 students. The methodology used to reach their “high powered, high profile” scientific (cough, cough) conclusion reeks of high speculation, don’t you think? Too many assumptions from too much speculation for my acceptance. Just who is it that puts the rubber stamped number on this…underreporting of over reporting and over reporting of underreporting? Most research searches for an agenda to fulfill until reached. The monetary funding doesn’t stop until the search does and when it does, you pretty damn well better conclude something eye-catching from your funded effort if your work cronies want be increase their chance for a grant next time. Grants for these people are like paycheck bonuses.

I watched an interesting show on YouTube last night…”Sketchy things about higher academics we all ignore”. It was an eye-opener for me, making me glad I’m not a part of this “esteemed” group of conniving douchebags hunting from the money train in the name of conclusive research.

WTF does the Holocaust have to do with this, other than to trigger one’s emotions? That alone should tell you something.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Okay, a publicly funded (think dollars dolled out to find something noteworthy) research institute in London with 22,000 students. The methodology used to reach their “high powered, high profile” scientific (cough, cough) conclusion reeks of high speculation, don’t you think? Too many assumptions from too much speculation for my acceptance. Just who is it that puts the rubber stamped number on this…underreporting of over reporting and over reporting of underreporting? Most research searches for an agenda to fulfill until reached. The monetary funding doesn’t stop until the search does and when it does, you pretty damn well better conclude something eye-catching from your funded effort if your work cronies want be increase their chance for a grant next time. Grants for these people are like paycheck bonuses.

I watched an interesting show on YouTube last night…”Sketchy things about higher academics we all ignore”. It was an eye-opener for me, making me glad I’m not a part of this “esteemed” group of conniving douchebags hunting from the money train in the name of conclusive research.

WTF does the Holocaust have to do with this, other than to trigger one’s emotions? That alone should tell you something.

he compared it to the holocaust numbers to help you better understand how deadly covid was for the first couple years. You apparently missed the point.

 

[Ty Webb iu]

I'll be blunt. I'm a better person with the nanochip that was inserted with my vaccine.

But clearly no smarter.

 

[Ty Webb iu]

A few million people here and a few more million people over there dead... yes, quite obscure!

Lawd... help us from the stupidity

You die in a car crash with Covid...that's a Covid death. Complete bs stats.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

You die in a car crash with Covid...that's a Covid death. Complete bs stats.

got a link proving they counted that or just bs from your propaganda?

about as much bs as people blaming the covid vaccine for stuff without actual proof.

 

[outside shooter]

You die in a car crash with Covid...that's a Covid death. Complete bs stats.

You die from COVID, never went to a doctor or hospital because you are ashamed of getting the "China virus" that is "Democrat hoax", and then it's not recorded as a COVID death. Complete bs stats, indeed.

And my scenario is far more common than yours, based on excess death figures.

 

[mcmurtry66]

got a link proving they counted that or just bs from your propaganda?

about as much bs as people blaming the covid vaccine for stuff without actual proof.

i think what you will find is that the majority of covid deaths counted as covid deaths in reality hastened the deaths of those suffering from chronic health conditions. is that a covid death. it is and it isn't. the problem, among many, is that the generic "deaths" etc. were then applied as scare tactics and used to implement policies, locally, that were unjustified.

 

[Bloom.]

hmmm. you won't get any argument from me that trump had no idea how to handle it. i think he totally blundered covid, but from a perspective you likely wouldn't agree with. that said, i think our response was more an agency failure than presidential. the agencies we rely on for this stuff, that are literally created and spend all of their days in preparation for same, were worthless. it also gives rise to what some of us liked about trump. he didn't want to immediately give our yearly check to the WHO. let's see what we get for that check. and i realize they do far more than covid stuff, but his instincts are right. enter biden and of course we just fund with little question. bc 50 years of gov what else would you expect

Well considering how much pundits and other politicians tried to pin ebola deaths on Obama, I think we find out that when agencies and the White House work more hand in hand, lives get saved.

I'm assuming Trump's handling of stimulus money and pushing for unemployment benefits (which he pushed for higher amounts of both) is the major concern of many who voted for him. Better to have the inflation we have now than have had the economy completely tank. Of course, some of the same people are trying to pin all this inflation on Biden.

Biden's 50 years of government has little to do with funding the WHO. It's just prudent, vs. trying to use it as some sort of leverage play.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Well considering how much pundits and other politicians tried to pin ebola deaths on Obama, I think we find out that when agencies and the White House work more hand in hand, lives get saved.

I'm assuming Trump's handling of stimulus money and pushing for unemployment benefits (which he pushed for higher amounts of both) is the major concern of many who voted for him. Better to have the inflation we have now than have had the economy completely tank. Of course, some of the same people are trying to pin all this inflation on Biden.

Biden's 50 years of government has little to do with funding the WHO. It's just prudent, vs. trying to use it as some sort of leverage play.

the white house comes and goes. agencies like the cdc, whose ees survive from one admin to the next, dropped the ball. trump's stimulus money put us to the edge. biden's stimulus drove us off it. as a result we got inflation. the extent of biden's contribution to inflation is debatable. that he contributed to it is not. whether it staved off the economy tanking. i don't know. maybe it did. altho once companies conditioned us to higher prices now we're stuck with them. it was a F up that will continue on into perpetuity is my guess.

biden's 50 years of gov has everything to do with funding the WHO. agency's never ask for less money. if they did it would be a tacit admission that htey aren't as necessary. A complete and thorough audit and review should have been a condition of new funding. Trump was right to hold money back. biden funds gov because biden is gov. he has no clue how to think outside of that bubble. and at 80 that certainly won't change.

Covid was politicized by the left every bit as much as the right

 

[Bloom.]

We’ll never know how many of these already riddled-with-disease old people actually died “of Covid”or “with Covid”. This is where the numbers can become skewed to one’s liking. Wasn’t it reported hospitals received more funding, based upon supposing deaths “of Covid”? Money does the talking when it comes to reporting government funded research…think Climate Change here and it’s purported “scientific truth”.

Those numbers aren't skewed. Those are the numbers. And no, someone dying in a car crash who also had COVID was tagged as a COVID death. Dying in a car wreck isn't a mitigating factor of COVID.

If you died of a condition that was worsened to tipped the scale by COVID, that's a COVID death, just like it would be a pneumonia, flu or cancer death. Sure, it's labeled as complications of (insert malady), but no one seemed to nitpick that type of death reporting on pneumonia or flu deaths. Definitely no one tries to parse language on a cancer related death.

Why on COVID? LOL

One person made this issue political. Trump.

OT - BTW, did you know that 35% of greenhouse gas emissions comes from jet airline contrails? (56% from burning fossil fuels). I had always suspected diffused contrails affect the amount of sunlight reaching the earth’s surface, but find 35% surprisingly high, yet no public outcry? Why?

Yeah, you're going to have to produce some reputable documentation on that. 35% comes from the energy sector. I doubt airline waste matches that value.

 

[Spartans9312]

Does that apply only to the scientific studies, or does it also apply to the random dudes from Bumblefudge Indiana telling us that their sister's dog trainer's cousin got a COVID shot that made his junk turn blue?

It applies to life…you can use the labels that make you feel good about yourself

 

[Spartans9312]

You die from COVID, never went to a doctor or hospital because you are ashamed of getting the "China virus" that is "Democrat hoax", and then it's not recorded as a COVID death. Complete bs stats, indeed.

And my scenario is far more common than yours, based on excess death figures.

How many people sat at home when they couldn’t breathe and died?

 

[Bloom.]

Other than banning travel from China early and being called a xenophobe, when did Trump go against Fauci and the governmental agency?

I am not saying he didn’t, I am just asking. What were the big blunders where Trump overruled the scientists?

If not stoking xenophobia, certainly just plain being a dumbass, as if the virus only travels in one direction.

There could've been any number of small (in scale) steps to take. Could've shut down all air travel, period. Could've put in capacity restrictions. Better than having to shut everything down. However, he's on record as not wanting this to impact the economy in an election year.

Trump made it about himself.

that's why i wrote that he probably wouldn't like my perspective. imo he gave fauci too much air time. fauci time gave rise to the extended school closings and shutdowns where they weren't necessary. pritzker in cook county shutting down southern ill etc. the narratives of hospitals being overwhelmed etc. it was gov at its worst without any sound plan. and of course in the years to follow nothing has been done to prepare for the next one. igw had a lot of good ideas, as much as it pains me to say it

Narratives of hospitals being overwhelmed weren't narratives. They were true in more densely populated areas.

Even normally quiet Carmel ERs were denying many patients at the door, pushing them toward med-check facilities. Even my 97 year old grandmother was treated sent out for a fractured hip, that ended up requiring surgery and 3 months of OT rehab at a facility...during COVID.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Yeah, you're going to have to produce some reputable documentation on that. 35% comes from the energy sector. I doubt airline waste matches that value.

It is possible that contrails are a big problem BUT it is still not properly studied:

The concern is not new. Patrick Minnis of NASA’s Langley Research Center reported more than two decades ago at a NASA meeting that vapor trails turned up on 40 percent of days over New York state, and later argued that “increased cirrus coverage, attributable to air traffic, could account for nearly all of the warming observed over the United States for nearly 20 years starting in 1975.”​

How Airplane Contrails Are Helping Make the Planet Warmer

New research shows that condensation trails from aircraft exhaust are playing a significant role in global warming. Experts are concerned that efforts to change aviation engine design to reduce CO2 emissions could actually create more contrails and raise daily temperatures even more.

e360.yale.edu

 

[stollcpa]

If not stoking xenophobia, certainly just plain being a dumbass, as if the virus only travels in one direction.

There could've been any number of small (in scale) steps to take. Could've shut down all air travel, period. Could've put in capacity restrictions. Better than having to shut everything down. However, he's on record as not wanting this to impact the economy in an election year.

Trump made it about himself.


Narratives of hospitals being overwhelmed weren't narratives. They were true in more densely populated areas.

Even normally quiet Carmel ERs were denying many patients at the door, pushing them toward med-check facilities. Even my 97 year old grandmother was treated sent out for a fractured hip, that ended up requiring surgery and 3 months of OT rehab at a facility...during COVID.

What di

If not stoking xenophobia, certainly just plain being a dumbass, as if the virus only travels in one direction.

There could've been any number of small (in scale) steps to take. Could've shut down all air travel, period. Could've put in capacity restrictions. Better than having to shut everything down. However, he's on record as not wanting this to impact the economy in an election year.

Trump made it about himself.


Narratives of hospitals being overwhelmed weren't narratives. They were true in more densely populated areas.

Even normally quiet Carmel ERs were denying many patients at the door, pushing them toward med-check facilities. Even my 97 year old grandmother was treated sent out for a fractured hip, that ended up requiring surgery and 3 months of OT rehab at a facility...during COVID.

Where did Trump go against Fauci and the scientist other than early travel ban?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Narratives of hospitals being overwhelmed weren't narratives

depends on how you look at it. if a headline is "Hospitals in Debuke County are Overwhelmed" that causes hysteria and gives credence to lock downs. icus are meant to run near capacity. otherwise they aren't profitable. so if they run routinely at 85% it doesn't take many covid patients to "overwhelm." you have 20 beds and add 3 covid patients the hospital is overwhelmed. it's technically accurate but it's also a narrative for other objectives. perhaps most importantly i guarantee nothing has been done since the last lockdowns and closings to ameliorate this shortage. i guarantee you today we are in the exact same place we were three years ago as to preparedness in almost every material way

 

[Bloom.]

What di

Where did Trump go against Fauci and the scientist other than early travel ban?

The travel ban is pretty damn important. They should've shut down all commercial airline travel, domestic and international.

Speaking completely off the rails on cures and treatments didn't help either. He was grasping for straws, speaking as the pResident. If anything Fauci should've stepped up in real time to shoot down some of that nonsense.

 

[stollcpa]

The travel ban is pretty damn important. They should've shut down all commercial airline travel, domestic and international.

Speaking completely off the rails on cures and treatments didn't help either. He was grasping for straws, speaking as the pResident. If anything Fauci should've stepped up in real time to shoot down some of that nonsense.

The travel ban wasn’t wrong. In fact it should have been sooner. So he was right there and Fauci was wrong.

In summary Trump put other policies in place that Fauci and scientists told him.

He was just his usual dick self.

 

[Indianaftw]

got a link proving they counted that or just bs from your propaganda?

about as much bs as people blaming the covid vaccine for stuff without actual proof.

Not calling you out hick, but there was so much BS going on during Covid. And there were pages from the CDC site that are not available any more as well. Anyways...Here ya go this is just one I found.

.

 

[Bloom.]

depends on how you look at it. if a headline is "Hospitals in Debuke County are Overwhelmed" that causes hysteria and gives credence to lock downs. icus are meant to run near capacity. otherwise they aren't profitable. so if they run routinely at 85% it doesn't take many covid patients to "overwhelm." you have 20 beds and add 3 covid patients the hospital is overwhelmed. it's technically accurate but it's also a narrative for other objectives. perhaps most importantly i guarantee nothing has been done since the last lockdowns and closings to ameliorate this shortage. i guarantee you today we are in the exact same place we were three years ago as to preparedness in almost every material way

What should matter is if it's factual. There needed to be a sense urgency.

These hospitals weren't running at 85% then adding 3 COVID patients. These hospitals were over flowed with COVID patients to the point of not taking non-COVID patients. I experienced that first hand.

 

[mcmurtry66]

What should matter is if it's factual. There needed to be a sense urgency.

These hospitals weren't running at 85% then adding 3 COVID patients. These hospitals were over flowed with COVID patients to the point of not taking non-COVID patients. I experienced that first hand.

no you weren't on the board. i cited to countless stats of hospitals occupancy, icu occupancy, and headlines. marv will remember. i'm not taking the time again. covid was politicized by cult members like shooter and hickory. it became a totem of their cult. no different than the false narrative unarmed blacks being killed with floyd. just another opportunity to virtue signal. the right responded by becoming entrenched in equally misguided beliefs.

it's all emblematic of a larger problem. our populace isn't very bright, is exceptionally impressionable, and consumes "news and information" like fast food w/o ever delving deeper to gain actual facts

 

[Indianaftw]

no you weren't on the board. i cited to countless stats of hospitals occupancy, icu occupancy, and headlines. marv will remember. i'm not taking the time again. covid was politicized by cult members like shooter and hickory. it became a totem of their cult. no different than the false narrative unarmed blacks being killed with floyd. just another opportunity to virtue signal. the right responded by becoming entrenched in equally misguided beliefs.

it's all emblematic of a larger problem. our populace isn't very bright, is exceptionally impressionable, and consumes "news and information" like fast food w/o ever delving deeper to gain actual facts

You have to wonder when the damn Lotus Flowers will start wearing off. Until then we have to put up with these drug induced zombies.

 

[abraxis]

he compared it to the holocaust numbers to help you better understand how deadly covid was for the first couple years. You apparently missed the point.

I fail to see how a deadly virus of such novelty equates with a raging lunatic’s quest for power through the elimination of indigenous natives in favor of slave labor, in hopes of emulating America’s rise to world power as it occurred via our agricultural/industrial complex.

Oh, I got his point in the first guestimation without it needing to be simplified in using Holocaust analogy. Saying Covid lives saved have been over 6,000+ X the number of “nine eleven” deaths would have been more relatable here and just as unnecessary, don’t you think?

 

[outside shooter]

My mother-in-law died of COVID. Not officially, though.

A true story of hidden COVID deaths.

She was 87, weak, heart problems. Had daily home health care.

She got COVID, likely from a visiting home health care nurse. She "recovered" in that after a week or 10 days later she was testing negative and O2 levels were OK.

But she rarely regained consciousness again and she died 3 weeks later. She was COVID-free at death, so she didn't die of COVID, according to our health care system. Not on the list!

But we all know that COVID did her in. She would have lived otherwise. Now... would it have been a month, a year, 2 years? No idea. But it wouldn't have been 3 weeks.

 

[abraxis]

Those numbers aren't skewed. Those are the numbers. And no, someone dying in a car crash who also had COVID was tagged as a COVID death. Dying in a car wreck isn't a mitigating factor of COVID.

If you died of a condition that was worsened to tipped the scale by COVID, that's a COVID death, just like it would be a pneumonia, flu or cancer death. Sure, it's labeled as complications of (insert malady), but no one seemed to nitpick that type of death reporting on pneumonia or flu deaths. Definitely no one tries to parse language on a cancer related death.

Why on COVID? LOL

One person made this issue political. Trump.



Yeah, you're going to have to produce some reputable documentation on that. 35% comes from the energy sector. I doubt airline waste matches that value.

Google: Sabrina Hossenfelder “Physicists Find New Way

Those numbers aren't skewed. Those are the numbers. And no, someone dying in a car crash who also had COVID was tagged as a COVID death. Dying in a car wreck isn't a mitigating factor of COVID.

If you died of a condition that was worsened to tipped the scale by COVID, that's a COVID death, just like it would be a pneumonia, flu or cancer death. Sure, it's labeled as complications of (insert malady), but no one seemed to nitpick that type of death reporting on pneumonia or flu deaths. Definitely no one tries to parse language on a cancer related death.

Why on COVID? LOL

One person made this issue political. Trump.



Yeah, you're going to have to produce some reputable documentation on that. 35% comes from the energy sector. I doubt airline waste matches that value.

Regarding your last paragraph, Google “Sabrina Hossenfelder Physicists find new way to make matter from light YouTube”. At the 7:20 mark, she has a segment on contrails, including a pie diagram showing things attributing to green house gases, all scientific until proven otherwise, of course!

 

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My mother-in-law died of COVID. Not officially, though.

A true story of hidden COVID deaths.

She was 87, weak, heart problems. Had daily home health care.

She got COVID, likely from a visiting home health care nurse. She "recovered" in that after a week or 10 days later she was testing negative and O2 levels were OK.

But she rarely regained consciousness again and she died 3 weeks later. She was COVID-free at death, so she didn't die of COVID, according to our health care system. Not on the list!

But we all know that COVID did her in. She would have lived otherwise. Now... would it have been a month, a year, 2 years? No idea. But it wouldn't have been 3 weeks.

It might have been 4 weeks but not 3 weeks?