Could we be looking at a 5 man class?
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Do you have some sort of physical affliction that keeps you...
from typing more than 2-3 words? If so, excuse my post.
What did bsmitty say that you disagree or "good grief" with?
Is CTC not still actively recruiting the players stated?
If and that is a BIG if, all of them chose IU, do you not think CTC would take them?
from typing more than 2-3 words? If so, excuse my post.
What did bsmitty say that you disagree or "good grief" with?
Is CTC not still actively recruiting the players stated?
If and that is a BIG if, all of them chose IU, do you not think CTC would take them?
my best guess is that CTC is just trying to cover all his bases. I'm sure
he'd not prefer a 5 man class, and that some of those are contingencies. In building a rec league team, I always felt I needed to have a starting PG and big and a backup for each, on an 8 or 9 man roster. It's hard to understand why with 13 slots you wouldn't have that as a minimum, but here we are. At any rate, I assume CTC is thinking he at the very least must have a starting PG and post, so if he's concerned about Yogi and/or Perea leaving (and there have been rumors on here about both for next year), then replacing them is a primary concern. I'd guess he'd prefer to get Bryant and a PG, but if Edwards and Dillard truly are a package and Edwards is your best bet, then you have to consider Dillard. It's also quite possible that Dillard is giving his "favorites" and not necessarily schools that have offered or are still pursuing him. So, I'd guess if we were to land Bryant, CTC would prefer not to have the Dillard/Edwards package, but maybe he's just trying to keep all options open to insure he has a starting PG and post.
he'd not prefer a 5 man class, and that some of those are contingencies. In building a rec league team, I always felt I needed to have a starting PG and big and a backup for each, on an 8 or 9 man roster. It's hard to understand why with 13 slots you wouldn't have that as a minimum, but here we are. At any rate, I assume CTC is thinking he at the very least must have a starting PG and post, so if he's concerned about Yogi and/or Perea leaving (and there have been rumors on here about both for next year), then replacing them is a primary concern. I'd guess he'd prefer to get Bryant and a PG, but if Edwards and Dillard truly are a package and Edwards is your best bet, then you have to consider Dillard. It's also quite possible that Dillard is giving his "favorites" and not necessarily schools that have offered or are still pursuing him. So, I'd guess if we were to land Bryant, CTC would prefer not to have the Dillard/Edwards package, but maybe he's just trying to keep all options open to insure he has a starting PG and post.
Re: We have to replace at LEAST zero seniors. +**
Now perea might be leaving?Wow with a few guys leaving and the usual creaning it may be a 6 or 7 man class.
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Now perea might be leaving?Wow with a few guys leaving and the usual creaning it may be a 6 or 7 man class.
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You realize that actively recruiting is not the same thing as taking a commitment right? So theoretically, if a coach has 3 open scholarships in a yr, should they only actively recruit 3 total players in your eyes? Quit being so obtuse to try and make a ridiculous point to support your agenda
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So being over signed by two and picking up interest in two more players( Edwards, Dillard). Plus with being in abreast still makes sense? Point being we have Zero seniors and we may potentially take 5 recruits. That is is my point....CTC makes sure everyone in the media knows he has a young team every year but yet he is creating that on his own by over recruiting and pushing guys out the door. People in here makes the 3 year graduation sound wonderful....yet there may be a reason o other college is pushing this on their athletes.
Everybody's being pushed out the door yet at least 1 of the last 2 yrs (possibly 2, I don't remember exactly) we've had extra scholarships to give out once the post-season departures played out. Great logic, man. I'm sure he's pushing all the extra kids out so he can scramble in the late summer to add guys that are mostly projects.
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I'm saying quit overreacting to him still actively recruiting a couple kids. Honestly, if any one of Fisher/Vonleh/Lyles/Zeller were here we'd have a great roster w sufficient depth and experience at almost every position (and then your excessive posting about theoretical complaints would stop)
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Uh, those guys are one and done types.. The good recruiters replace them every year. So how did Duke survive losing Patker? Oh that right they landed oak for and have a plumlee a backup. How did UK replace oh never mind. How did Kansas replace wiggins and Embid? It makes me laugh when people say what if we still had NV, Zeller...say that about all the top 5 teams. Also how can you put Lyles on your list when he decided not to come here?
So if everything would fall into place and all the players....
the OP listed wanted to come here, do you think CTC would take them? That would be the five man class he stated. Two current players are already history whether by going pro or transfers.
"So theoretically, if a coach has 3 open scholarships in a yr, should they only actively recruit 3 total players in your eyes?" Talk about being obtuse. How is ANY of your scenario applicable to the situation IU is in? We have NO scholarships to give out, two already committed and he is STILL actively recruiting. When should he quit? When is three over, four or never? Let's turn it around. When a coach has commitments for all available scholarships (or over committed), should he continue to actively recruit?
the OP listed wanted to come here, do you think CTC would take them? That would be the five man class he stated. Two current players are already history whether by going pro or transfers.
"So theoretically, if a coach has 3 open scholarships in a yr, should they only actively recruit 3 total players in your eyes?" Talk about being obtuse. How is ANY of your scenario applicable to the situation IU is in? We have NO scholarships to give out, two already committed and he is STILL actively recruiting. When should he quit? When is three over, four or never? Let's turn it around. When a coach has commitments for all available scholarships (or over committed), should he continue to actively recruit?
Oh please NOBODY thought Zeller was one and done or two and done (let alone Fisher)
And Al Bino, maybe your reading comprehension needs some work (or you just overlooked the post) but when did recruiting mean somebody will take a commitment from every person being recruited? The example points out how ridiculous it is to say we should never be recruiting or talking to kids bc there isn't an open scholarship. So if you DID have an open one (or 3 in my example), are you suggesting a coach literally shouldn't talk to or watch more than 1 player? There's literally nothing wrong w having options to replace potential losses. Also, please refute the fact that we've had open spots that needed filled (even w oversigning) the past few yrs. Explain how that's a negative to have potential guys to fill those spots if there's attrition .
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And Al Bino, maybe your reading comprehension needs some work (or you just overlooked the post) but when did recruiting mean somebody will take a commitment from every person being recruited? The example points out how ridiculous it is to say we should never be recruiting or talking to kids bc there isn't an open scholarship. So if you DID have an open one (or 3 in my example), are you suggesting a coach literally shouldn't talk to or watch more than 1 player? There's literally nothing wrong w having options to replace potential losses. Also, please refute the fact that we've had open spots that needed filled (even w oversigning) the past few yrs. Explain how that's a negative to have potential guys to fill those spots if there's attrition .
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So a 7 foot 5 star is expected to stay 3-4 years? Pipe dream buddy! Also Fischer transferred!!!!
Also the point here is why are we recruiting 3 more players(all different positions) when we are already over signed by two? If you can't see the issue here I can't help you. My goodness!
Also if we do have to bring a 5 man class in on a year we had zero seniors and zero lottery picks then their is something desperately wrong inside assembly. Because that would be another 3 transfers...assuming to of the spot are yogi and Hanner or yogi and Williams.
This post was edited on 2/7 2:04 PM by bsmitty08
Also the point here is why are we recruiting 3 more players(all different positions) when we are already over signed by two? If you can't see the issue here I can't help you. My goodness!
Also if we do have to bring a 5 man class in on a year we had zero seniors and zero lottery picks then their is something desperately wrong inside assembly. Because that would be another 3 transfers...assuming to of the spot are yogi and Hanner or yogi and Williams.
This post was edited on 2/7 2:04 PM by bsmitty08
Man, what a miserable human being that you must be....so much negativity towards Crean and IU. Geez, go support some other team. I am getting so sick of your non-stop, negative critiques and flame posts. Go get a job or a hobby....
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Well, let's see...
April....gone.
Priller...gone.
Devin Davis...probably gone?
Robinson...transfer.
Yogi/Blackmon...one leaves, maybe both (I really hope not on either). Heck, maybe Williams leaves (not because he should by any means).
Hoetzel...wouldn't be surprised if he transferred closer to home. But no idea...
Yeah, we could be...ugh.
No to Dillard, team cancer. Bryant is a long shot (seems Syracuse more likely). Morgan and OG appear to be solid if unspectacular pick-ups. Edwards could be good, but man is he small. I'd still be glad to have him.
Man, I'm SO over this recruiting strategy and turnover.
April....gone.
Priller...gone.
Devin Davis...probably gone?
Robinson...transfer.
Yogi/Blackmon...one leaves, maybe both (I really hope not on either). Heck, maybe Williams leaves (not because he should by any means).
Hoetzel...wouldn't be surprised if he transferred closer to home. But no idea...
Yeah, we could be...ugh.
No to Dillard, team cancer. Bryant is a long shot (seems Syracuse more likely). Morgan and OG appear to be solid if unspectacular pick-ups. Edwards could be good, but man is he small. I'd still be glad to have him.
Man, I'm SO over this recruiting strategy and turnover.
Re: Well, let's see...
Why would Davis leave? I can't imagine too many wanting him knowing that he just used his redshirt season so he would only be able to play 2 more years after sitting out, and thats assuming he is healthy, an teams can't know that for certain until gets on campus.
The Hoetzel stuff is just throwing darts at the board
Who would want April Priller now that they have to sit out a year when they didn't want them when they were immediately eligible?
Why would Davis leave? I can't imagine too many wanting him knowing that he just used his redshirt season so he would only be able to play 2 more years after sitting out, and thats assuming he is healthy, an teams can't know that for certain until gets on campus.
The Hoetzel stuff is just throwing darts at the board
Who would want April Priller now that they have to sit out a year when they didn't want them when they were immediately eligible?
I'm not claiming insider status...
guy. This is a message board, it's all just talk.
As far as Davis...the reality is Davis may not ever be back to playing high major D1 ball. By saying gone, I'm saying he may not be able to come back from his head injury. That's a distinct possibility.
And you think the fact that Priller and April won't be in demand has anything to do with them being back? LMAO. They're items 1 and 2 on the spring Creaning list...let's be real here. They're playing behind walk-ons at this point.
Of course Hoetzel talk is "throwing darts"...but it's not unlikely. He's from Cali, he doesn't look to be moving into a starting spot any time soon...things happen when people go back home. Just saying given the track record and his circumstances, I wouldn't be surprised. Nor would I be surprised if he's back.
Ferrell/Blackmon/even Williams leaving for what appears to be a weak draft (all have second round grades with Blackmon on fringe 1st round) is also very possible.
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guy. This is a message board, it's all just talk.
As far as Davis...the reality is Davis may not ever be back to playing high major D1 ball. By saying gone, I'm saying he may not be able to come back from his head injury. That's a distinct possibility.
And you think the fact that Priller and April won't be in demand has anything to do with them being back? LMAO. They're items 1 and 2 on the spring Creaning list...let's be real here. They're playing behind walk-ons at this point.
Of course Hoetzel talk is "throwing darts"...but it's not unlikely. He's from Cali, he doesn't look to be moving into a starting spot any time soon...things happen when people go back home. Just saying given the track record and his circumstances, I wouldn't be surprised. Nor would I be surprised if he's back.
Ferrell/Blackmon/even Williams leaving for what appears to be a weak draft (all have second round grades with Blackmon on fringe 1st round) is also very possible.
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Re: I'm not claiming insider status...
Glass clarified the bill of rights...Priller, and April cannot be cut for poor performance, and Davis cant be cut for injury reasons. They only leave if they want to leave and I don't see them going anywhere without a scholarship offer from another school...maybe TC can convince incarnate word to honor Prillers offer
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Glass clarified the bill of rights...Priller, and April cannot be cut for poor performance, and Davis cant be cut for injury reasons. They only leave if they want to leave and I don't see them going anywhere without a scholarship offer from another school...maybe TC can convince incarnate word to honor Prillers offer
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Riiiight.
CTC doesn't "cut" anyone....he has a "meeting" about their performance thus far and "future" with the program. Then things seem to work themselves out. Or have you not kept up with IU recruiting the last 6 years?
Davis doesn't have to be "cut", moran...if he can't return to school or can't play anymore, he won't come back on his own.
You seem to share some common traits with a steel pipe.
CTC doesn't "cut" anyone....he has a "meeting" about their performance thus far and "future" with the program. Then things seem to work themselves out. Or have you not kept up with IU recruiting the last 6 years?
Davis doesn't have to be "cut", moran...if he can't return to school or can't play anymore, he won't come back on his own.
You seem to share some common traits with a steel pipe.
Wrong.
They can't lose their scholarship. They can be cut. And if they want to play ball, they have to go somewhere else and voluntarily give up that "guaranteed" scholarship.
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They can't lose their scholarship. They can be cut. And if they want to play ball, they have to go somewhere else and voluntarily give up that "guaranteed" scholarship.
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Name calling so quickly? OH it must be recess for you at Saturday school
I understand about creaning I have had mods threaten me over my hatred of the over signing. But those others who got creamed had places to leave for, they had other options. Apriller don't have other options
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I understand about creaning I have had mods threaten me over my hatred of the over signing. But those others who got creamed had places to leave for, they had other options. Apriller don't have other options
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Re: Name calling so quickly? OH it must be recess for you at Saturday school
I am sure april or priller could play div 2 or at a lower div 1 school. Stay at iu and sit on the bench is the other option. Remember we beat out imaculate word for priller!!!! Im sure they would take him!
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I am sure april or priller could play div 2 or at a lower div 1 school. Stay at iu and sit on the bench is the other option. Remember we beat out imaculate word for priller!!!! Im sure they would take him!
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Re: Name calling so quickly? OH it must be recess for you at Saturday school
Apriller will have options...especially since they are only here on the own accord for a one year tryout....or so people want to try and lead me to believe.
They weren't creaned because they had other options? They had other options because IU was no longer an option.
Apriller will have options...especially since they are only here on the own accord for a one year tryout....or so people want to try and lead me to believe.
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I think we should go for a 10 man class!!!!!!!!!
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I think we should go for a 10 man class!!!!!!!!!
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