How about stick up their ass prudes? That's what people that get labeled as "woke" really are.
Could the movie "Airplane!" be made today?
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Like I said, prudes. Cleese is describing religious zealots hell bent on censoring unclean thoughts, ideas, and images. The "woke" religion worships no god, but they are of the same lik as those who burned "witches" at the stake in Salem.What term do you think should be used then to refer to the phenomena?
At least as of 2017, the word was being used by those championing "social justice" (do you have a problem with that term?). It was created and used by those who thought it a positive until the last few years. BLM seized on it and used it post Ferguson incident:
What is the history of the word ‘woke’?
The phrase originated from African American Vernacular English but has been gradually co-opted by right wing players to be used as an insultwww.independent.co.uk
Coincidentally, here's a great tweet from John Cleese, who is actually funny AND people probably take seriously (or at least should because he's pretty smart):
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ironic blackfolk made "woke" to represent awakening from evil centuries old racist conditioning now look yall highjacked &twisted it into some hollow caricature devoid of meaning that u ridicule &fight over it just like everything else we create man sincerely ****. ALL. OF. U.
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This is not the way I see it A lot of woke behaviours seem to me posturing ; striking attitudes that allow them to experience the lovely, warm glow of moral superiority, while justifying their own aggression by using denial-and-projection defences twitter.com/arctoarcturus/…
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And yet, Chappelle's audience was in tears most of the show while the snowflake network employees protested and walked out because of "feelings"
Ah...now I get it...you haven't upped your understanding of terms like "comedy" and "woke" to the vaunted level of your HVAC expertise. I wondered why your definitions of things were so bad.
I once read that the world's funniest joke is "Why did the chicken cross the road?"
The reason it is so funny, it was said, was that it perfectly does exactly what a joke should do, which you phrased succinctly as "subverts our expectations." In the case of the chicken, an unfunny answer might be "because there was food over there" or some other reasonable chicken-related motivation for moving from one place to another. But "To get to the other side" implies that the chicken doesn't need a motivation beyond the ability to think to herself, "You know, that seems like a nice place to be; I think I'd like to go there." It imparts upon the chicken a level of subtlety far beyond what we'd normally think a chicken is capable of. It subverts our expectations of what it means to think like a chicken to the point of absurdity.
The writer went on to point out that children universally laugh uproariously at the chicken joke, and suggested that the only reason adults don't laugh at it is because we've all heard it so many times, it can no longer surprise us.
So? Why's Chappelle so butthurt that some people don't think some of his bits aren't funny? Does everybody have to think that his stuff is funny or he's unhappy?
Another good example of comedy that isn't about poking fun at people.
I am retired and in my late sixties. I find people not taking me serious is very liberating for me. I can flirt with young women and they don’t take me serious. I can say stupid stuff and the un-fortunate person on the hearing side doesn’t take me serious. I can go on an anonymous web site and comment about something as non-serious as the state comedy and some woke persons think it is important to be seriously considered within the fences that are constructed by people that cannot be serious given their devotion to non-serious stuff like “wokeness”. There you go, you made me express ”wokeness“ for the first time in my life. Check my thread …never included wokeness. The only reason to care is for the welfare and happiness of children‘s and grandchildren‘s futures. But if we teach/taught them well they will survive and perhaps thrive. Just wish I had insisted on Mandarin as a second language. Pushed them into Spanish and French. Not to late for the younger ones. Despite the erosion of our values, culture and language in the name of being “woke”.
chappelle isn’t but hurt, the alphabet community is. Try and keep up. They staged a walk out to try and pressure Netflix to cancel him.
They are The Elect, your free thought is heretical and must be put down. Chappell was just the latest to step outside the tenets of the faith and so the inquisitors have been sent to silence him.
But as I said above, it's a religion, a cult. As has been argued
The Gnostic heresy’s political successors
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Jamil Jivani: Wokeness — the new religion of the left
We should be skeptical of the narratives given to us by elitists who clearly want us to worship at altars of their own creation
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The Cult Dynamics of Wokeness
Before I got involved in studying Critical Social Justice like I do now, I mostly studied the psychology of religion.
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And this group of true believers along with the enablers (like many of the leftits on this board) is why movies like Airplane and Blazing Saddles could not be made today and why comedians like Dave Chappell or Kevin Hart are always on notice that certain groups are untouchable when it comes to jokes.
It's fascinating that on a thread about comedy, there is so much drama.They are The Elect, your free thought is heretical and must be put down. Chappell was just the latest to step outside the tenets of the faith and so the inquisitors have been sent to silence him.
But as I said above, it's a religion, a cult. As has been argued
The Gnostic heresy’s political successors
Over
Jamil Jivani: Wokeness — the new religion of the left
We should be skeptical of the narratives given to us by elitists who clearly want us to worship at altars of their own creationnationalpost.com
And over
The Cult Dynamics of Wokeness
Before I got involved in studying Critical Social Justice like I do now, I mostly studied the psychology of religion.
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areomagazine.com
And this group of true believers along with the enablers (like many of the leftits on this board) is why movies like Airplane and Blazing Saddles could not be made today and why comedians like Dave Chappell or Kevin Hart are always on notice that certain groups are untouchable when it comes to jokes.
I'm interested...what "leftits[sic]" on this board would be such an obstacle to the making of movies like "Airplane" and "Blazing Saddles", or get in the way of a Dave Chappell[sic]?
It's not a thread about comedy; it's a thread about whether current culture would allow a movie like Airplane to be made today. The salient part of your post bulk is the "on this board." This board is largely old farts. I think it's the younger generations that are at "issue" with this stuff - to the extent there is an issue. Anecdotal, but my 11 year old was talking about someone at breakfast yesterday and dropped a "they." I said they? Who's the extra? Did they have a mouse in it's pocket?
"IT!! IT!!! OH MY GOD!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. They is nonbinary ...." She's 11 barking this at me. The kids at her school don't say African American or Black. They say "darker skinned." Our generation is very different than the one coming up. To add a bit of humor, I really got a kick out of Ricky Gervais' line: "I want to live long enough to see the younger generation not be woke enough for the next generation." Lol
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Yes, it is about comedy, mcmbot. I have learned so much on the topic in this thread from your favorite teacher, Professor COH, PHD (Pile it Higher and Deeper) in Comical Sciences, that I may just head on over to open mic night this week at the local Chuckle Hut.
My question to crazy, who claimed that "leftits[sic]" on this board would be against "Airplane" and Blazing Saddles", was who he had in mind? Now, I understand that as a lawyerbot, you are programmed to obfuscate the point for a member of your team, so well done, I guess...but at least tell your client how to spell the name of the comedian he is so valiantly defending.
Well there's your mistake. You don't go to a school like COH U to study Fine Arts.
no lefty i know, and i know a lot, would have the slightest problem with either movie, nor are over the top woke.
nor do they think M to F trans should be competing in women's sports.
those few pulling the strings love to play both sides against each other, and use their control of the strings to push the idea that both sides are far more crazy extreme than they really are, as to the vast majority that makes up either side..
yes, there are crazies out there on both sides, and some get amplified way out of proportion to their real numbers, but they don't represent the vast majority on either side, despite the forces pushing the notion that they do for self gain.
just because some twitter manipulator on either side plants a false narrative, which then gets amplified a zillion times by the for profit amplifiers, doesn't make it so.
Geez, you're just like mcmbot.
I asked a very specific question of a very specific poster to specify his very vague reference to "leftits[sic]" posters on this board. I really don't care about all those "leftits[sic]" out in the real world.
Why? Only the latter is relevant. This board isn't much of a sample of anything - the nervous hospital maybe.
The more I think about it the more I think Blazing Saddles would have a better chance at being made today than would Airplane.
Airplane is ver slapstick and yes the “jive scene” is what we’re all talking about but I think the slapstick nature of some of the comedy is what prevents it being made now.
I actually think something like Blazing Saddles could be made today. The most important part about the humor in Blazing Saddles is that the lead character (Cleavon Little’s sheriff) is very aware of the joke and the jokes are crafted in such a way to make the antagonist the actual butt of the joke. Going further, he has a white ally in Wilder’s character. I struggle to think why something very similar couldn’t be made today. Possibly because Blazing Saddles already exists and, thank God, it’s one of the few things we won’t remake. But if you look at movies in a different genre like Get Out or Django Unchained, white people are very much the bad actor or butt of the story and, at least in Django, the lead character is both aware of their superiority to them and has a white ally.
As far lefties go, I’m no AOC but I’m left of center. I watch Blazing Saddles and Airplane every year multiple times I bet. And I’ll watch Daves new show and probably laugh or nod along.
I’m speaking if comedy in terms of discourse. There are zillions of riddles that are a little different.
Why are skeletons always scared?
Because I was interested in IUcrazy's opinion, and not yours, in this case. He made a statement and I wanted to hear the reasoning. Why do you care so much?
Never mind...it's your programming.
The biggest tv genre are SITUATIONAL comedies, they are comedies about SITUATIONS. Hence the name.
Take a look at Bob Newhart, he wasn't making fun of Irish, women, Blacks. Do you think Howard represented all flight navigators. In WKRP, who was being poked fun at?
I love Marx Brothers movies, were they poking fun at women, Blacks, Irish, whatever?
Who in Andy Griffith Show, or No Time for Sargent's?
A joke that starts with "my wife loves shoes" is not making fun of all wives or all women and maybe not even all wives who loves shoes. But you seem to be arguing that.
My point is that comedy is almost always about people and how they behave ir react in situations. As we become more woke, we take more and more people off the “make fun of” table. We know damn well that a dumb reaction to a situation will most likely feature a white guy—not a black or female.
The jive scene is both funny and non-offensive because of June Cleaver (not Barbara Billingsley, but the pearl wearing mother of the Beaver. Face it...she did not play some anonymous passenger. That was Ward's wife delivering those lines.). They could not have cast a more benignly white woman to play the part, and the fact that the scene was with two black actors made it pretty non-controversial. Don't think a lot of thought, even back then, was not put into the perfect person to play the part, both for comedic value and to escape repercussions. The actress was perfect, because people felt like they should be offended, but just couldn't make themselves feel that way (just like today). Hell, she probably could have gotten away with playing the part in black face (can you imagine the confused audience looking at each other and saying, "Was that June Cleaver"?), but it would not have been as funny.
So, the GOP operatives can unclinch...this movie, and more specifically, this scene, would survive today's climate.
Talk about trial lawyer bullshit.
That being said, you are correct in the notion that white guys are the butt of most jokes in situation comedies. There is no one dumber than a situation comedy dad.
But, then you have shows like Married with Children, where everyone was equally stupid. In fact, I would venture that Al Bundy was the only character on the show who was actually palatable.
Probably more like Shutter Island if we're being honest.
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Do the people who really wonder about this stuff and see the current climate as nonconducive to comedy really count as GOP operatives?
I've heard the same grumblings from a lot of comedians who I'm pretty sure don't associate with the Republican party at all. In addition to Chappelles, Ricky Gervais, Jerry Seinfeld, and Bill Maher come to mind.
I like when the neighbors got matching Bmws with vanity plates and Peg asks Al why they don't have vanity plates and he goes: "Cause Kill Me was already taken."
When I was a kid the dad was like Ward Cleaver etc. Stern, competent. The dads on these kids' shows now are all buffoons and the kids are the smart ones.
The writer of the article is David Zucker, comedy writer, producer and director. You should address his article and perspective, which is an obviously informed one, rather than some imagined GOP operatives'.
I didn't post it to make it a discussion about politics, but everything becomes about politics here so I should have known better.
Plus all the obese dudes in sit coms married to extremely hot women. Seems legit.
I do not know about Airplane! but a couple years ago AMC had some anniversary showings of Blazing Saddles. I do not recall protests. I quickly Googled Airplane! And protests and don't see evidence people are trying to get it removed. That doesn't mean there aren't certainly, but I don't see evidence of some sort of movement to have it removed.
That makes me think it could be made.
On MASH boards I hear people say it cannot be made today. I think a scene for scene remake would not sell well, we are a bit more alert to misogyny. And no way a Black named Spearchucker gets through. But is that bad?
That makes me think it could be made.
On MASH boards I hear people say it cannot be made today. I think a scene for scene remake would not sell well, we are a bit more alert to misogyny. And no way a Black named Spearchucker gets through. But is that bad?
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