commenting on the breakfast tacos and mispronouncing bodegas
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Not a big deal, but it’s good seeing the woke step in their own shit.
And I saw someone ask who the “Elites” are on here the other day.
It is the people that don’t know how to pronounce Bodegas.
And I saw someone ask who the “Elites” are on here the other day.
It is the people that don’t know how to pronounce Bodegas.
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The white Democrat view of Hispanics is condescending and ignorant. Hispanics don’t represent diversity any more than the English do. The Spanish colonized the entire Southwest and most of the West Coast. They established thriving settlements while other Europeans struggled to survive on the East Coast. Almost all of what w,e see today as culture of the West is Spanish culture. One of the three Texas founding fathers is Spanish . I would like to see one of the Hispanics in Texas talk to Dr. Jil about the diversity she brings to the American West.
So what does it mean when conservatives complain about Spanish being spoken in the US?
One thing it means is this one more way our public education system sucks.
Be careful, desiring teaching that more than White males contributed to America will get you classified as "woke".
Much like refusing to accept that the plight of the poor, crime ridden inner cities are the fault of white peoples will get you labeled “racist”, eh?
There are a host of people to blame, and yes, some of it falls to decisions made by Whites over the last 300 years.
Oh, ok, I was just following your lead on casting inaccurate sweeping generalizations…
It has been a number of years ago, but we had many debates on English as a national language. They weren't liberals complaining about sitting through "presione uno por Espaniol" and even hearing people speaking Spanish in a Walmart. If CO wants to blame education, fine, but we need to ask why conservatives don't realize about 1/5 of this country was Spanish but liberals do?
The same reason liberals don't realize that most latinos/latinas do not like the term latinx. People hear what they want and believe what they want based on how they think things should be.
Your assessment is lazy & bunk. There is a difference between acknowledging an ethnic group & their presence vs complaining that they are not speaking the language used by the overwhelming majority of the population. I’m not suggesting that the assessment they need to speak English is correct, but can at least acknowledge that opinion is valid & understandable, which seems to be an untenable approach for you & several others.
Then it should be easy to refute yet you do not try.
Why do far more conservatives want English as a national language than liberals? It was CO that mentioned education. So what is your answer?
Edited previous post. First, I haven’t seen anything quantifiable to support your claim. Second, there are a myriad of specific reasons that someone prefers there be a common language spoken. It causes many challenges in the workforce, makes general communication impossible, impedes integration or maybe more accurately promotes segregation, requires extra resources to duplicate any communication, etc, etc.
I think that having a common language that business is conducted in is something that helps to hold together a multicultural society. When you have a country that is a combination of people's from around the world, I think you need something that ties you together. A common language, a common civic culture, etc. are necessary to make people believe that they are all part of the same "team" even though the team is set up in a way that is really counter to how humans have mostly separated and aligned themselves for thousands of years.
Multicultural societies that lose that common civic glue are often weak and fall apart.
Liberal Dems just doing what they do best - working to keep black and brown people on the ideological plantation. When you call people breakfast tacos that's all you need to know about how they think of them.
Cherry on top of the Biden crap cake today: Inflation now at 9.1% annual rate, was already at 40 year high. Can't wait to hear the spin on this one. Will likely be something along the lines of it's everyone's fault but Joe's.
Extra: More videos of Hunter doing crack. Poll says overwhelming % of Dems do not want Joe to run again. PP giving 16 and 17 year olds gender altering hormones as all good child groomers support. Joe interrupts Mexican president to hit on camerawoman repeatedly. There are more but this is a good start.
Cherry on top of the Biden crap cake today: Inflation now at 9.1% annual rate, was already at 40 year high. Can't wait to hear the spin on this one. Will likely be something along the lines of it's everyone's fault but Joe's.
Extra: More videos of Hunter doing crack. Poll says overwhelming % of Dems do not want Joe to run again. PP giving 16 and 17 year olds gender altering hormones as all good child groomers support. Joe interrupts Mexican president to hit on camerawoman repeatedly. There are more but this is a good start.
The White liberal made the mistake after the success of the 2012 majority minority Obama coalition of viewing Latinos as a voting bloc similar to African Americans. They couldn’t be more different.
The average African American has been here for generations with no real ties to whatever their ancestral home is today.
Wrapping Nicaraguan, Mexican, Cuban, Salvadoran, Brazilian, and Dominican Americans up under the same bow and calling it Latinx couldn't be more stupid. These people share nothing in common outside of a language.
So it's completely baffling that the Biden administration thinks a Mexican American would be sympathetic to hordes of Salvadorans streaming over the border illegally. It's almost, dare I say, racist.
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You are missing the point. Democrats see The US as English centric as much as the GOP does. Both view Spanish speakers as immigrants or something. Dr Jill would never have gone to New York and said corned beef and cabbage was an example of diversity. So why tacos? The fact is that much of the US was colonized by Spain. That isn’t taught very well because we focus so much on New England and the Mayflower etc as the most important settlements.
If properly taught, I think there would have been less misunderstanding.
As far as your last sentence is concerned, the liberals pander to ethnic groups and the conservatives don’t. And you pander because you don’t see Spanish speakers as your equal because you focus on English heritage.
We have a high number of Salvadorans & Mexicans in our community, they are insulted to be clumped together…
And the reality is that it's (almost) only the first generation immigrants that don't adopt English. Their kids all do. And this has always been the case. Poles, Germans, Italians, etc. Those groups created communities among themselves; their kids moved out into the larger society of English speakers.
I don't get it, NO ONE here has been more in favor of teaching more than the Mayflower than Me. No ONE and CERTAINLY not you. Suddenly you are all multicultural?
In the English as a national language debates I pointed out much of this country spoke German in the 1800s, pretty much up until WW1 when it became very unfashionable. The 11th Corps of the Army of the Potomac spoke German, an entire corps of an army with German speaking officers and men.
And there were groups in America that hated the Germans and formed secret societies to try and stop German immigration and other groups to oppose Irish immigration. Those groups haven't left, their idealogical descendants are around today in various nationalist groups.
Chinatowns have a rich history across many US cities. The transcontinental railroad was largely built by Chinese labor.
America is a mutt. I agree with your sentence that we focus way too much on the Mayflower and New England (and on the states that would become the Confederacy). We have a lot of states that were Spanish, and some that were French. Not brought up yet, indigenous people pretty much lived everywhere across the continent. Of course, many people from many cultures brought their identities over beyond those.
Easterners have a bias. My first exposure to "Mexican" food in Indiana was Taco Bell.
Speaking of not seeing Spanish speakers as equals, didn't sheriff Joe have a policy of stopping brown people and ask them for their papers? He wouldn't stop you or me and demand to see our papers.
Honestly there is so much wrapped up in all of it IMO that it would be hard to have a typed out convo about it. Thoughts on illegal immigration, turn over of neighborhoods, a push to sideline things that were once thought of as "American" as white supremacy, exasperation at being unable to communicate, etc. that all get wrapped up into the language debate.
she never said tacos were a sign of diversity, she said the breakfast tacos in San Antinio were good
"Raul helped build this organization with the understanding that the diversity of this community, as distinct as the bodegas of the Bronx, as beautiful as the blossoms of Miami and as unique as the breakfast tacos here in San Antonio, is your strength."
This is exactly what she said.
10-1 she’s never had a breakfast taco. What wine could you pair with one?
You still don’t get this. Germany never colonized America. Neither did China. Spain did. You speaking of Spanish speakers as just another immigrant group is the problem. Many Spanish settlements were very successful. Santa Fe is proably my favorite city. It’s also very influential in US history, but not properly taught.
Sheriff Joe? Please!
“Suddenly you are all multicultural?” WTF marv? Buh bye.
I didn't see it as big as some are making it. I have made comments before when eating bbq,"thanks to the blacks who brought this to us". I didn't mean it to hurt anybody. It is my recognition of the melting pot which is America. I have also thanked the french for french fries and french toast. From their side of it though, they feel reduced to these things. Now I don't think Jill or myself meant this. It's kind of like when you meet an Italian man or woman and you mention the mafia. Some of them can get upset because,"what are you saying just because we are Italian we are in the mafia?"
Man, I have done that before. I just see hispanic and think everyone is Mexican. We had a lady in a previous church who was married to a hispanic guy. I kept thinking he was from Mexico but he was from Guatemala. It's a different country. I guess it is just the way we all group people. We don't mean any harm. Now, if we looked down on these groups and said,"We don't want them here" then that would be an intentional insult.
Having tacos for breakfast seems very weird to me. I didn't grow up with that. But in San Diego they are apparently quite delicious. Apparently it is also wrong to point that out, while also attributing that culinary invention to a particular ethnic group.
Most of us would unintentionally get into some trouble if we were speaking in public on a daily basis, I'd guess. This example seems particularly benign.
Most of us would unintentionally get into some trouble if we were speaking in public on a daily basis, I'd guess. This example seems particularly benign.
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It’s incredible someone wrote that speech for her and thought it was a good idea. Imagine that feedback loop where no one understands how stupid and disrespectful that statement is. Especially, considering you pride yourself as the party of “diversity”.
I don't usually want anything that heavy for breakfast. Just a small bowl of cereal does it for me. But I do have a bacon,egg, and cheese soft grilled taco every Sunday morning and a big ole cup of black coffee. Now I would assume mine is not as good as a restaurant and Dr. Biden obviously had some very good ones in San Antonio.
A guy from Miami said this, "We have blossoms here, but we are not known for them". So I guess they could have found another example from Miami. I've never been there so I wouldn't know what should have been said.
No, I was being serious. Every Sunday I have this instead of cereal because as a speaker I don't want to drink milk because it causes phlegm.
You can point out that a culinary invention came from a particular ethnic group or region, you can say it is delicious, what you cannot do is reduce people to their food contribution. "Those are the pasta people. Chicken and watermelon crowd over there. Burritos and tacos to that side. You curry folks can sit there. Boiled everything people at that table. Fried rice folks in that corner. And put the weird tasting cabbage and schnitzel folks right here.....ok, now that you are all set, I would like to thank you all for your wonderful contributions to our country. It allows me to get the best spaghetti, fried chicken, breakfast burrito, roast and potatoes, chicken curry, pork fried rice, and wienerschnitzel and sauerkraut all in one city block. What a country and thank you for making it so..."
I don't think Biden meant anything by it, but when conservative people hear all the time from liberal whites about how racist we are and we reply back that those same liberal whites have their own very large blind spot to their own prejudices and biases (I don't think it is racism, most of what gets labeled as racism isn't), this is the type of thing they mean.
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