A bit sensitive aren't we, Ma'am. No need to get bent out of shape for differences of opinion.
Colvin in the portal....
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You have never been right about Purdue on any issue, ever! Purdue has two All-Americans and just added one of best portal big man(2nd in NCAAs rebounding), are getting back their rim protector in 7' 4" Jacobson (Starter) and probably have the top rated guards in the BIG, Cox a freshmen stater had a computer metric 4.03 compared to lets say Conner (summer all-American) 2,53. Purdue will be rated in the top 5 of most polls next year, and unlike IU they only have a couple of holes to fill not a whole team! You keep talking of NIL eating Purdue alive, you need to step back and look at IU. Painter will make it work, you have no clue what IU is going to be, DO YOU!
I’ll ignore the insult. But I’m not bent out of shape. We are discussing basketball. Don’t like it, find a new thread.
They won't be markedly better than they were this year.
Cluff is a good positional post defender... but he doesn't guard the perimeter well, and he isn't a rim protector. Cluff is also a very good post offensive player, but he's similar to TKR...and neither of them are going to help spread defenses out...and neither are dominant enough, like Edey was, to create gravity that will pull defenders away from Loyer, Smith, Cox, Harris... You're obviously not going to just add Cluff's numbers and impact, on top of what TKR became last year. Together they averaged like 40 and 20 last year... I'll bet a lot of money they don't average that, combined, next year. Cluff will help with rebounding...yes. But losing Heide and Colvin, will hurt the rebounding. Probably a net improvement anyways, I'd say...but losing those two athletic wings will have an impact on rebounding efforts.
Colvin and Heide, were long, athletic, wings. Their departure leaves Purdue with exactly zero long, athletic wings. You know, the types of guys all Final Four teams (that don't rely on anomalous big men like Edey), have a handful of.
They're settling back in to being Purdue... I think that's great. It'll provide very good competition for the B10, and IU...but there will be basically zero threat of them hanging a banner.
I'm sensing Purdue's fan base is sending their scrubs over to our board...
The context is being elite nationally, and being a legitimate FF and Natty contender.
If you guys think losing your two only long, athletic wings...and putting a cap on your only rim protector... by bringing in a big that's largely redundant to one you already have... is going to make you an elite team... cool? Good for you guys.
All these comments are based off what's happened thus far. Maybe Painter lands a couple athletic portal wings yet. And if he does, you scrubs will conveniently shift your narrative, yet again.
TKR pulled guys off of shooters all year and now he isn’t dominant enough? Magically he won’t draw anymore double teams. Wild.
I agree. Losing Heide will hurt rebounding. Especially with how he was rebounding late. Colvin, ya. Cluff more than makes up for his rebounding. Honestly, probably makes up for more than both.
As you know, guard play wins in march and Purdue has fantastic guard play.
You are really tying Purdues final 4 chances to a couple bench players. Hysterical
Cox and Harris are pretty athletic and will improve as well.
If you were CDD, would you reach out to Heide? I like him, but it seems the SF position is the only one we already have covered.
Cluff is not coming in to be a stretch 4 he is coming in to fill a similar role as Edey which fits Painters style, hence he recruits big 7 foot guys every year.
The next time I see PU run an isolation play for Loyer and her get to the front of the rim and finishes will be the first time I have seen him do it. Loyer is a very good college player, he is also a dime a dozen player. Galloway was average for us for several years his ability to create his own shot game in game out is 1000% better than loyer.
Two All American's? Right now they don't have 2 first round NBA picks.
Jacobson and Cluff can't play together, especially with TKR it would look like a lumberjack log jam in the middle. PU will be good, they will probably loose 11-12 games again just like this year. I've never given Smith any credit, basically because I wish he played at IU, but when he is gone PU falls even further down the ranks.
The worst thing that can happen for PU is for IU to get their heads out of their ass and hire a good coach, CDD may be that guy if so watch out.
Imagine being a Purdue fan on an Indiana message board and telling people to get lost...
You're right, teams guarded TKR pretty much the same as they did Edey... my bad.
I said Cluff's rebounding is probably a NET improvement, even taking in to account losing Heide and Colvin. The point is, its not nearly as big of a NET improvement as it would seem. The same way the offensive and defensive improvements aren't nearly as big as it would seem. Cluff having very similar skill sets to TKR, and similar strengths and weaknesses, and how much its costing to get him, and thusly how many minutes he'll take up... means his NET impact isn't nearly what someone like Jacobson emerging and getting 30 minutes per game would have been.
-4 out of the 5 starters, and the likely top minutes earners, are poor to mediocre perimeter defenders.
-The only rim protector on the roster, is now behind 2 All B10 level bigs.
-Zero 6'5 +, athletic wings in the main rotation
They'll have an efficient offense. They're very experienced. They'll be ranked most/all of the year because of that. But as their roster stands today, they're not a legit FF team. But they sure do look like a Purdue team.
Since when did I say cluff was a stretch 4? This is a new one… I’d ignore Loyers drives as well
How much is cluff getting? But no, not sure Jacobson is ready for 30 minutes.
So Purdue has the same amount of perimeter defenders as last year it seems. Unless you dare to say Colvin and Heide were good perimeter defenders, which, they weren’t.
So basically, you agree that next years team already looks better than one that was a couple missed shots from the elite 8, beating a team you probably said would beat Purdue by 20. Love it.
So if he's not a stretch 4 and he is not coming into play a similar role as Edey what exactly is he coming to do? I guess he can run point?
There was nothing to ignore, Loyer was a spot up shooter or a two dribble pull up shooter who has a difficult time defending. Not sure what I'm missing.
This crap is allowed here without accountability
IU fans wouldn't last three posts on the pu board if we trolled like they do here.
Cluff will be the five, TKR the 4.So if he's not a stretch 4 and he is not coming into play a similar role as Edey what exactly is he coming to do? I guess he can run point?
There was nothing to ignore, Loyer was a spot up shooter or a two dribble pull up shooter who has a difficult time defending. Not sure what I'm missing.
Is Loyer dribbling into the lane for a pull up or a layup not creating? I’m confused
I’ve yet to break a rule here. Now, you going to answer my question? I’d ignore it as well if you think I’ve suddenly decided Heide and Colvin are bad players. Because I haven’t said it.
Sleepers had an interesting take: said basically it's dumb for Heide to leave PU after Colvin had, unless he "knows something". Said he was playing at their Rec Center this week with Smith, who he's very close with, and the only reason they could see him leaving is if he knows Smith is leaving.
Sleepers also loves to create narratives. Don’t love their stuff. My only other thought is it was mentioned that his agent was going to float his name around. Maybe someone was interested in paying more than Purdue was offering. Or maybe someone behind him was threatening him. Or he wanted a bigger role than what painter discussed with him post season. Hard to say. Don’t think smith is leaving though.
So Cluff was brought in to play a role similar to Edey which is the 5 in the traditional sense of the word.
Let me say if I'm playing PU and they want to rely on Loyer and his ability to get to the front of the rim or dribble drive for his points I'm extremely happy. He is a 41% career shooter on shots not outside the arc, 50% of his attempts are from 3. If you think he is making a living on getting into the lane, then so be it.
I'm convinced Sleepers knows squat. I watched almost all of their IU stuff prior to season and they missed on 100%. Heide knows he is not going to start, he left for a better opportunity. PU is not winning it all next year or the year after why not go get paid, start and not scrape for minutes? I think it is a good move by him and I absolutely do not think Smith is going anywhere he looks like one of those kids who will be wearing his PU letter jacket when he is 30.
That letter jacket will help him sell pick ups in WL
Edit: To all the Boilies melting down, sending ugly DMs and creating new accounts to trash me...I am kidding. No idea what Moze will do when done with basketball. Sheesh
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I agree with them that it doesn't make sense for both Colvin and Heide to leave, especially Heide who was playing well at the end of the season, and with Colvin leaving first. He very likely walked from a potential starting spot on what you and they agree is going to be a top 5ish team... why? I guess it's possible Painter told him one of the freshman might start and they go with 3 guards, or just that his role is mostly as a 3 and D guy and he wants to play professionally and thinks he could be featured more... I don't know.
Scrape with who for minutes? His primary competition was already in the portal. I guess it makes sense if Painter wants to play with 3 guards and start one of the freshman, but seems like Heide had a starting spot right in front of him and walked anyway. Weird.
And if that's what he ends up doing he'd still be more successful than you.
Wow, this new stalker identity is the fifth in a week, the rage is real...they lose four players and spin out of control
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Heide wasn’t going to start, but he was the one guy that I was shocked left. Don’t think the coaches anticipated it either. The other three I kind of expected. I assume Heide just wanted a bigger role somewhere. To not be a 6th or 7th guy that is a shoot open shots and rebound guy. Just a guess though. Or maybe a redshirt is closer to him than we thought? Impossible to say exactly. Sucks, but not the end of the world.
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