Coaching Poll - Everybody Vote

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Imagine your choice for “best college football coach in America” - whomever you think that is.

Pick a time of one our most recent coaching changes.

The day we fired Mallory, or Cam, or DiNardo, or the day Hep passed, or the day we fired Lynch or Wilson.

If IU contacted THAT COACH and offered him/her a $2,000,000 raise to leave thier school and come to IU, would they have come?

 

[Bowlmania]

Imagine your choice for “best college football coach in America” - whomever you think that is.

Pick a time of one our most recent coaching changes.

The day we fired Mallory, or Cam, or DiNardo, or the day Hep passed, or the day we fired Lynch or Wilson.

If IU contacted THAT COACH and offered him/her a $2,000,000 raise to leave thier school and come to IU, would they have come?

Why would Saban, Meyer or any other coach perceived as the "best" over the last 25 years come to IU? We're the losingest program in history. If IU offered them the compensation bump you've proposed, they'd simply dangle it in front of their current administration as leverage for a raise.

That said, I think we've got our man. This, to me, was a Hep-like hire - - a smart football guy with Hoosier roots, who truly appreciates the opportunity, and doesn't view it as a stepping stone to greener pastures. If Allen has some early (in the next few years) success, I could see him being our head guy for 15 years or more.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Why would Saban, Meyer or any other coach perceived as the "best" over the last 25 years come to IU? We're the losing-est program in history. If IU offered them the compensation bump you've proposed, they'd simply dangle it in front of their current administration as leverage for a raise.

That said, I think we've got our man. This, to me, was a Hep-like hire - - a smart football guy with Hoosier roots, who truly appreciates the opportunity, and doesn't view it as a stepping stone to greener pastures. If Allen has some early (in the next few years) success, I could see him being our head guy for 15 years or more.

I mostly agree, but ...

While I disagreed with HOW he expressed it, Wilson was right about one thing - IU should strive to make history irrelevant. Fight it hard.

The only history that will impact next weeks game is the last 3-4 seasons your seniors and 5th years created for themselves. They will neither win nor lose because IU had to play on the road in the 20s and 30s or failed to care about facilities in the 70s, or anything else.

We have what we need TODAY to get better and win.

And a coach who won’t come here because of history is not someone I want anyway. Which is sorta why I asked.

Throwing money at a name isn’t the answer. It takes more than that.

 

[Bowlmania]

I mostly agree, but ...

While I disagreed with HOW he expressed it, Wilson was right about one thing - IU should strive to make history irrelevant. Fight it hard.

The only history that will impact next weeks game is the last 3-4 seasons your seniors and 5th years created for themselves. They will neither win nor lose because IU had to play on the road in the 20s and 30s or failed to care about facilities in the 70s, or anything else.

We have what we need TODAY to get better and win.

And a coach who won’t come here because of history is not someone I want anyway. Which is sorta why I asked.

Throwing money at a name isn’t the answer. It takes more than that.

Dude, nobody's glasses are more rose (bowl) colored than mine. I'm not saying we're doomed to failure because of our history. I think we can win and will win. My point was that, because of our history, the fact that we routinely make "worst head coaching jobs in college football" lists, etc., we're hardly a place where an enormously successful P5 head coach would have any interest in going.

 

[UncleMark]

My point was that, because of our history, the fact that we routinely make "worst head coaching jobs in college football" lists, etc., we're hardly a place where an enormously successful P5 head coach would have any interest in going.

And I think MTIOTF's point is that that history has been put behind us. The administrative support, facilities, and financial resources (relative to our peers) that held us back are now competitive. Time to look to the future. Lets see about getting wins on the field and fans in the stands. That's what needs to happen next, and I for one think the pieces are there to do it. Time will tell.

 

[ESalum86]

Gonna be brutally honest here. This notion people on these forums have that paying more money for a coach will automatically create more wins is moronic and asinine.

IU threw stupid money at Tom Cream and basically gave him carte blanche when it came to recruiting. What did they get for it? In my mind they got nothing. What is Michigan getting for the stupid money they throw Jim Harbaugh and his travel agency? Not a damn thing.

Bill Mallory may have been the lowest paid coach in the B1G ( I honestly don't know and don't feel like looking it up) but we would all kill for the success he had from 1986 - 1992. Money doesn't guarantee a thing.

We all want players with talent, heart, and desire. CTA has shown his talent with the defensive turnaround. I defy you to find a coach with more heart and desire. Give him time to establish this program under his terms and let's see where it takes us. I suspect we'll all be happy.

 

[76-1]

Gonna be brutally honest here. This notion people on these forums have that paying more money for a coach will automatically create more wins is moronic and asinine.

IU threw stupid money at Tom Cream and basically gave him carte blanche when it came to recruiting. What did they get for it? In my mind they got nothing. What is Michigan getting for the stupid money they throw Jim Harbaugh and his travel agency? Not a damn thing.

Bill Mallory may have been the lowest paid coach in the B1G ( I honestly don't know and don't feel like looking it up) but we would all kill for the success he had from 1986 - 1992. Money doesn't guarantee a thing.

We all want players with talent, heart, and desire. CTA has shown his talent with the defensive turnaround. I defy you to find a coach with more heart and desire. Give him time to establish this program under his terms and let's see where it takes us. I suspect we'll all be happy.

Exactly! Nice post. I 2nd what he just wrote.

 

[gulcherboy]

Why would Saban, Meyer or any other coach perceived as the "best" over the last 25 years come to IU? We're the losingest program in history. If IU offered them the compensation bump you've proposed, they'd simply dangle it in front of their current administration as leverage for a raise.

That said, I think we've got our man. This, to me, was a Hep-like hire - - a smart football guy with Hoosier roots, who truly appreciates the opportunity, and doesn't view it as a stepping stone to greener pastures. If Allen has some early (in the next few years) success, I could see him being our head guy for 15 years or more.

And, yet, at one point in his career, Urban Meyer wanted to become the next football coach at IU. For some reason, IU's "enlightened" athletics administration chose to not grant him an interview. Instead, we chose to hire Gerry DiNardo.

 

[fkfootball]

I see some Terry Heoppner in Tom Allen.

 

[Crimson Crush]

And, yet, at one point in his career, Urban Meyer wanted to become the next football coach at IU. For some reason, IU's "enlightened" athletics administration chose to not grant him an interview. Instead, we chose to hire Gerry DiNardo.

That’s what his biggest stalker Dan Dakich claims. We got proof of that other than what “The Mouth” aka “Danny the Ohio State PR Guy” says?

We got Dinardo but.....IUs commitment to facilities was terrible. IU absolutely made a crucial error in 1991-1992 when they made zero facility improvements on the best 5-year stretch in IU football history. The AD should have been shit-canned for that alone. He put all his chips on the table for the “Bob Knight Cruise Control Special” and he lost all his chips at the table. The basketball team too sunk to garbage can level with that strategy.

 

[ESalum86]

And, yet, at one point in his career, Urban Meyer wanted to become the next football coach at IU. For some reason, IU's "enlightened" athletics administration chose to not grant him an interview. Instead, we chose to hire Gerry DiNardo.

That may be true, but I imagine a lot of the people complaining about not performing a national search or paying more for a "name" would have gone bonkers if we passed over someone with head coaching experience at 2 SEC schools for someone with only a couple years experience as a MAC head coach. Just goes to show P5, "big name" school experience isn't always the best indicator.

Who's to say CTA won't be the next Urban Meyer or Nick Saban? There is no way to make any definitive statement based on one season. 2017 was filled with pros and cons. I vote we support our staff and team.

 

[Wysoc403]

That’s what his biggest stalker Dan Dakich claims. We got proof of that other than what “The Mouth” aka “Danny the Ohio State PR Guy” says?

We got Dinardo but.....IUs commitment to facilities was terrible. IU absolutely made a crucial error in 1991-1992 when they made zero facility improvements on the best 5-year stretch in IU football history. The AD should have been shit-canned for that alone. He put all his chips on the table for the “Bob Knight Cruise Control Soecial” and he lost all his chips at the table. The basketball team too sunk to garbage can level with that strategy.

You’re aware that Ralph Floyd, the AD who hired Mal and was in his job for over a decade, died in 1990, right? He presided over some pretty good football in Bloomington, but you thought he should’ve been fired?

 

[Crimson Crush]

You’re aware that Ralph Floyd, the AD who hired Mal and was in his job for over a decade, died in 1990, right? He presided over some pretty good football in Bloomington, but you thought he should’ve been fired?

Yes - he outstayed his time at IU.
Floyd was like a lot of other AD’s in that he intentionally created an inbalance in that department. Ralph outlived his welcome. And, the next guy we got was that even bigger joke. Basically, was a Knight lackey.

Hell, we didn’t even start investing in any basketball improvements until the Crean era as far as facilities go.

IU needed visionary ADs but they chose to get guys who wanted the school image to remain some quaint, little hamlet or burg instead of a big-time school. Fred needs to spend, spend, spend and spend some more.

A lot of catching up to do if we want to play with the big boys.

 

[Crimson Crush]

Where is the poster that claimed “Now, Lovie Smith.....that is a big name hire!”

I believe the poster even went on to predict that Lovie would have them in a Rose Bowl within three years and they would be within the top 10 in recruiting… Nationally.

I mean, Lovie has a lot of ink on that resume. It doesn’t always translate.

 

[Chriselli]

Where is the poster that claimed “Now, Lovie Smith.....that is a big name hire!”

I believe the poster even went on to predict that Lovie would have them in a Rose Bowl within three years and they would be within the top 10 in recruiting… Nationally.

I mean, Lovie has a lot of ink on that resume. It doesn’t always translate.

In fairness, there was no way to know that Lovie was going to phone it in. I think he commutes down from Chicago for the games.

 

[Wysoc403]

Yes - he outstayed his time at IU.
Floyd was like a lot of other AD’s in that he intentionally created an inbalance in that department. Ralph outlived his welcome. And, the next guy we got was that even bigger joke. Basically, was a Knight lackey.

Hell, we didn’t even start investing in any basketball improvements until the Crean era as far as facilities go.

IU needed visionary ADs but they chose to get guys who wanted the school image to remain some quaint, little hamlet or burg instead of a big-time school. Fred needs to spend, spend, spend and spend some more.

A lot of catching up to do if we want to play with the big boys.

You quite obviously didn't know anything about Ralph Floyd.

 

[Crimson Crush]

You quite obviously didn't know anything about Ralph Floyd.

Sorry to disappoint you if you are Ralph’s niece or something of that nature but Ralph was status quo. Perfectly functional when things were going well but no vision whatsoever for facilities. None. No planning. Just ride it out and see what happens. No fund raising. No big donations like we saw with Simon Skodjt. He had an opportunity to seize some momentum prior to 1990 with football facility upgrades through some influential IU alums and did not come through. He was a big IU fan but not a fundraiser. I will say he was better than Clancy D. That guy was just terrible in all facets.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

And, yet, at one point in his career, Urban Meyer wanted to become the next football coach at IU. For some reason, IU's "enlightened" athletics administration chose to not grant him an interview. Instead, we chose to hire Gerry DiNardo.

IU had just tried the “young genius quick fix” and it had failed. Cam “Trestor Award/IU Football/IU basketball/Bo’s Michigan/NFL” Cameron. They weren’t gonna do that again.

 

[Univee2]

Imagine your choice for “best college football coach in America” - whomever you think that is.

Pick a time of one our most recent coaching changes.

The day we fired Mallory, or Cam, or DiNardo, or the day Hep passed, or the day we fired Lynch or Wilson.

If IU contacted THAT COACH and offered him/her a $2,000,000 raise to leave thier school and come to IU, would they have come?

Until you put 4s and 5s in Crimson, in quantity and consistently, this is all mental masterbation.

 

[Wysoc403]

Sorry to disappoint you if you are Ralph’s niece or something of that nature but Ralph was status quo. Perfectly functional when things were going well but no vision whatsoever for facilities. None. No planning. Just ride it out and see what happens. No fund raising. No big donations like we saw with Simon Skodjt. He had an opportunity to seize some momentum prior to 1990 with football facility upgrades through some influential IU alums and did not come through. He was a big IU fan but not a fundraiser. I will say he was better than Clancy D. That guy was just terrible in all facets.

In a totally different era, he did what he could without the benefit of BTN money. Saying he was status quo is really not close to accurate.

 

[Euro]

We could have had Gary Patterson once upon a time ago but did not even interview him

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Until you put 4s and 5s in Crimson, in quantity and consistently, this is all mental masterbation.

Sooo, what does it take, and what do we do, to put the 4's and 5's on the roster?

My answer is (1) improve the facilities/create the buzz, (2) hire a good recruiting staff, and (3) win the "expected to win" games and (4) be competitive in the games versus the Big Boys of the league, and (5) get a signature win to get over the hump and attracts that first HUGE recruit/class.

1 - check
2 - check (seemingly)
3 - damn maryland
4 - except for 1st quarter at Penn State, check
5 - sniff, sniff, sniff-sniff

Here's what I want, what I really really want, this season.

We go to FIU and win big. They made a 4 year run, and now have no QB, plus some losses up the middle on defense. we have a steady Ramsey, and newbie 5th year Dawkins, and a bunch of really solid RB's and receivers.

Virginia comes in. Also have a new QB. Poor against the run at the end of the year. We won at their place last year. We open up the new stadium with a nice crowd after Labor Day. We win and learn.

We beat Ball State and look like a Big Ten team doing it.

We kick MSU while they are down. Maybe Dantonio has a deposition that week. We win one. A nioce one. We are gelling and looking pretty good.

10/6 The Suckeyes play a tough game at PSU 9/29, then come home and ease up with a "gimme" against Indiana. BOOOOOOM.

Dream scenario.

 

[Wysoc403]

Sooo, what does it take, and what do we do, to put the 4's and 5's on the roster?

My answer is (1) improve the facilities/create the buzz, (2) hire a good recruiting staff, and (3) win the "expected to win" games and (4) be competitive in the games versus the Big Boys of the league, and (5) get a signature win to get over the hump and attracts that first HUGE recruit/class.

1 - check
2 - check (seemingly)
3 - damn maryland
4 - except for 1st quarter at Penn State, check
5 - sniff, sniff, sniff-sniff

Here's what I want, what I really really want, this season.

We go to FIU and win big. They made a 4 year run, and now have no QB, plus some losses up the middle on defense. we have a steady Ramsey, and newbie 5th year Dawkins, and a bunch of really solid RB's and receivers.

Virginia comes in. Also have a new QB. Poor against the run at the end of the year. We won at their place last year. We open up the new stadium with a nice crowd after Labor Day. We win and learn.

We beat Ball State and look like a Big Ten team doing it.

We kick MSU while they are down. Maybe Dantonio has a deposition that week. We win one. A nioce one. We are gelling and looking pretty good.

10/6 The Suckeyes play a tough game at PSU 9/29, then come home and ease up with a "gimme" against Indiana. BOOOOOOM.

Dream scenario.

I would add a sixth criterion, which would be “evaluate thoroughly, honestly, and with total candor”. Allen seemed to do that in the article that preceded a couple of threads here, though that seems difficult for fans to do. For instance, items one and two aren’t “checks” in my view and remain very much “to be determined”. And items four and five also aren’t close to being achieved. I’m not against the list, only the grade inflation that gives a false sense of progress. Allen essentially said that in the article, he said it in his overhaul of the S & C group, and he said it in the recruitment of plug and play grad transfers that should step in and help immediately.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

I would add a sixth criterion, which would be “evaluate thoroughly, honestly, and with total candor”. Allen seemed to do that in the article that preceded a couple of threads here, though that seems difficult for fans to do. For instance, items one and two aren’t “checks” in my view and remain very much “to be determined”. And items four and five also aren’t close to being achieved. I’m not against the list, only the grade inflation that gives a false sense of progress. Allen essentially said that in the article, he said it in his overhaul of the S & C group, and he said it in the recruitment of plug and play grad transfers that should step in and help immediately.

Don't take this the wrong way - but if you think our facilities have not been improved and have not created a buzz, you do not know what you are talking about. Or have not been there lately. Or aren't looking at the pictures. Or all of those. I go to our games. I go on the road. I talk with fans from other schools. I take fans from other schools to our stadium. I go to SEC and ACC games. If you MEAN that, you do not know what you are talking about. (Question - have you ever just WALKED THROUGH our weight room? Ask a recruit how it compares? I've done both. It is EYE CANDY to a football player. MOST of our recruits will not see any that are better.)

Same with recruiting. Folks like stars?

I'll play by STAR rules.
:
DiNardo:
2002 class - 3 3-stars, - all the rest 2.
2003 - 7 3-stars - all the rest 2
2004 - 4 3-stars, the rest 2.

Hep and Lynch:
2005 - 3 3-stars, the rest 2's
2006 - 5 3-stars
2007 - 5
2008 - 5
2009 - 13 3's
2010 - 11 3's

Lynch/Wilson
2011 - 1 4 (Zack Shaw), 13 3's. (The 4 and 6 3's committed to Lynch - there were a couple of 3's that Wilson pulled the offer).

Wilson:
2012 - 17 3's
2013 4 4's (sort of - Antonio Allen, Darius Latham, David Keeney were unhelpful - Fant was a stud) ; 10 3's
2014 - 2 4's (sort of - Tim Gardner, Dom Booth - both busts); 16 3's
2015 - 18 3's
2016 - 14 3's

Current Staff:
2017 - 11 3's
2018 - 1 4 (Penix) ; 21 3's - best IU class ever recorded by Rivals - using STARS.

(Just for grins, let's look at some 2's from those classes - they kind we look down our noses at and ask Sylvester McMonkey McBean to turn into "more stars please":

Chris Taylor
John Panozzo
Justin Frye
Russ Richardson
Ben-Jarvis Green-Ellis
James Hardy
Marcus Thigpen
Tracy Porter
Andrew Means
Brandon Walker-Roby
Jammie Kirlew
Terrance Turner
Kellen Lewis
Rodger Saffold
Ray Fisher
Ben Chappell
Greg Middleton
Tandon Doss
Demarlo Belcher - actually 0 stars
Kofi Hughes
Bobby Richardson
Ricky Jones
Nate Hoff (0 stars)
Chris Covington
Robert McCray

Just sayin - some folks like stars. Other like skills observed by coaches with an eye for talent.

As for being competitive in games versus big boys - did you not watch our games recently? IMA hep ya out - last year, in Allen's FIRST GAME, we led Ohio State at the half and with with 5 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter. We took Michigan to OT. Against Wisconsin, it was 24-17 at the start of 4. I already discussed that Penn State was the worst 1st quarter ever, but after that, we played em 17-14, with Barkley in until the very end. I was there. We were competitive after the shock.

To be nice, I think you are overly critical, while admitting I may be under-critical. But I do back it up ...

 

[Wysoc403]

Don't take this the wrong way - but if you think our facilities have not been improved and have not created a buzz, you do not know what you are talking about. Or have not been there lately. Or aren't looking at the pictures. Or all of those. I go to our games. I go on the road. I talk with fans from other schools. I take fans from other schools to our stadium. I go to SEC and ACC games. If you MEAN that, you do not know what you are talking about. (Question - have you ever just WALKED THROUGH our weight room? Ask a recruit how it compares? I've done both. It is EYE CANDY to a football player. MOST of our recruits will not see any that are better.)

Same with recruiting. Folks like stars?

I'll play by STAR rules.
:
DiNardo:
2002 class - 3 3-stars, - all the rest 2.
2003 - 7 3-stars - all the rest 2
2004 - 4 3-stars, the rest 2.

Hep and Lynch:
2005 - 3 3-stars, the rest 2's
2006 - 5 3-stars
2007 - 5
2008 - 5
2009 - 13 3's
2010 - 11 3's

Lynch/Wilson
2011 - 1 4 (Zack Shaw), 13 3's. (The 4 and 6 3's committed to Lynch - there were a couple of 3's that Wilson pulled the offer).

Wilson:
2012 - 17 3's
2013 4 4's (sort of - Antonio Allen, Darius Latham, David Keeney were unhelpful - Fant was a stud) ; 10 3's
2014 - 2 4's (sort of - Tim Gardner, Dom Booth - both busts); 16 3's
2015 - 18 3's
2016 - 14 3's

Current Staff:
2017 - 11 3's
2018 - 1 4 (Penix) ; 21 3's - best IU class ever recorded by Rivals - using STARS.

(Just for grins, let's look at some 2's from those classes - they kind we look down our noses at and ask Sylvester McMonkey McBean to turn into "more stars please":

Chris Taylor
John Panozzo
Justin Frye
Russ Richardson
Ben-Jarvis Green-Ellis
James Hardy
Marcus Thigpen
Tracy Porter
Andrew Means
Brandon Walker-Roby
Jammie Kirlew
Terrance Turner
Kellen Lewis
Rodger Saffold
Ray Fisher
Ben Chappell
Greg Middleton
Tandon Doss
Demarlo Belcher - actually 0 stars
Kofi Hughes
Bobby Richardson
Ricky Jones
Nate Hoff (0 stars)
Chris Covington
Robert McCray

Just sayin - some folks like stars. Other like skills observed by coaches with an eye for talent.

As for being competitive in games versus big boys - did you not watch our games recently? IMA hep ya out - last year, in Allen's FIRST GAME, we led Ohio State at the half and with with 5 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter. We took Michigan to OT. Against Wisconsin, it was 24-17 at the start of 4. I already discussed that Penn State was the worst 1st quarter ever, but after that, we played em 17-14, with Barkley in until the very end. I was there. We were competitive after the shock.

To be nice, I think you are overly critical, while admitting I may be under-critical. But I do back it up ...

You’re right about the facilities expansion, though I’m not it’s created quite the buzz of which you speak (and, yes, I’ve been through it many times). I think IU is now near the middle of the P5 in that regard, and getting closer to the middle of the BiG Ten, though they aren’t there yet. And I see games in lots of places. IU’s facilities are near the middle. Again, this is about candor.

As for playing good teams close, I think that’s fine, but never winning while playing close tends to not enhance a program’s reputation. Winning does that, and I think that’s what Allen is saying while many fans still seem satisfied with just hanging in there.

As for recruiting, whether one uses stars or not, IU still isn’t getting players that will allow them to ascend in the Bog Ten. I hope that changes, because that’s likely the only way the program will build to a consistent winner.

Thanks for your response.

 

[RBB89]

Don't take this the wrong way - but if you think our facilities have not been improved and have not created a buzz, you do not know what you are talking about. Or have not been there lately. Or aren't looking at the pictures. Or all of those. I go to our games. I go on the road. I talk with fans from other schools. I take fans from other schools to our stadium. I go to SEC and ACC games. If you MEAN that, you do not know what you are talking about. (Question - have you ever just WALKED THROUGH our weight room? Ask a recruit how it compares? I've done both. It is EYE CANDY to a football player. MOST of our recruits will not see any that are better.)

Same with recruiting. Folks like stars?

I'll play by STAR rules.
:
DiNardo:
2002 class - 3 3-stars, - all the rest 2.
2003 - 7 3-stars - all the rest 2
2004 - 4 3-stars, the rest 2.

Hep and Lynch:
2005 - 3 3-stars, the rest 2's
2006 - 5 3-stars
2007 - 5
2008 - 5
2009 - 13 3's
2010 - 11 3's

Lynch/Wilson
2011 - 1 4 (Zack Shaw), 13 3's. (The 4 and 6 3's committed to Lynch - there were a couple of 3's that Wilson pulled the offer).

Wilson:
2012 - 17 3's
2013 4 4's (sort of - Antonio Allen, Darius Latham, David Keeney were unhelpful - Fant was a stud) ; 10 3's
2014 - 2 4's (sort of - Tim Gardner, Dom Booth - both busts); 16 3's
2015 - 18 3's
2016 - 14 3's

Current Staff:
2017 - 11 3's
2018 - 1 4 (Penix) ; 21 3's - best IU class ever recorded by Rivals - using STARS.

(Just for grins, let's look at some 2's from those classes - they kind we look down our noses at and ask Sylvester McMonkey McBean to turn into "more stars please":

Chris Taylor
John Panozzo
Justin Frye
Russ Richardson
Ben-Jarvis Green-Ellis
James Hardy
Marcus Thigpen
Tracy Porter
Andrew Means
Brandon Walker-Roby
Jammie Kirlew
Terrance Turner
Kellen Lewis
Rodger Saffold
Ray Fisher
Ben Chappell
Greg Middleton
Tandon Doss
Demarlo Belcher - actually 0 stars
Kofi Hughes
Bobby Richardson
Ricky Jones
Nate Hoff (0 stars)
Chris Covington
Robert McCray

Just sayin - some folks like stars. Other like skills observed by coaches with an eye for talent.

As for being competitive in games versus big boys - did you not watch our games recently? IMA hep ya out - last year, in Allen's FIRST GAME, we led Ohio State at the half and with with 5 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter. We took Michigan to OT. Against Wisconsin, it was 24-17 at the start of 4. I already discussed that Penn State was the worst 1st quarter ever, but after that, we played em 17-14, with Barkley in until the very end. I was there. We were competitive after the shock.

To be nice, I think you are overly critical, while admitting I may be under-critical. But I do back it up ...

Anyone who thinks our facilities aren’t competitive is a gigantic tool.

^^^ This will be open in 3 months. ^^^

We are getting a gigantic new locker room/lounge/recruiting area/training room/equipment room area. The NEZ meeting rooms are going to be freshened up. The academic center is enormous. Everything imaginable is at the stadium. The practice fields are connected through a tunnel (thanks Hep!).

Maybe the upcoming locker room virtual tour will shut these people up.

 

[Wysoc403]

Anyone who thinks our facilities aren’t competitive is a gigantic tool.

^^^ This will be open in 3 months. ^^^

We are getting a gigantic new locker room/lounge/recruiting area/training room/equipment room area. The NEZ meeting rooms are going to be freshened up. The academic center is enormous. Everything imaginable is at the stadium. The practice fields are connected through a tunnel (thanks Hep!).

Maybe the upcoming locker room virtual tour will shut these people up.

No one said the facilities aren’t competitive. The only tools are posters who make things up about what other posters allegedly say. Please don’t be that guy / gal.

 

[gulcherboy]

That’s what his biggest stalker Dan Dakich claims. We got proof of that other than what “The Mouth” aka “Danny the Ohio State PR Guy” says?

We got Dinardo but.....IUs commitment to facilities was terrible. IU absolutely made a crucial error in 1991-1992 when they made zero facility improvements on the best 5-year stretch in IU football history. The AD should have been shit-canned for that alone. He put all his chips on the table for the “Bob Knight Cruise Control Special” and he lost all his chips at the table. The basketball team too sunk to garbage can level with that strategy.

Crimson, you have no idea how much I wish I could argue a single point, here. But, alas, I can't in any intelligent, logical manner. And I think this is what is really "wrong" with Indiana football: Whenever there is an opportunity to make an important decision about the football program, IU administrators have a long, long history of making the wrong decision. Assuming that "right" decisions improve the program and "wrong" decisions hurt the program.
I think you have hit the nail on the head, sir.

 

[IU Scott]

Imagine your choice for “best college football coach in America” - whomever you think that is.

Pick a time of one our most recent coaching changes.

The day we fired Mallory, or Cam, or DiNardo, or the day Hep passed, or the day we fired Lynch or Wilson.

If IU contacted THAT COACH and offered him/her a $2,000,000 raise to leave thier school and come to IU, would they have come?

Nope because IU is not a destination job because of its history. We could have hired Urban Myer when he was a BG but he would have left to go to Florida after doing well at IU.

 

[boilerbusdriver]

Purdue’s New Facilities dwarfs IU new Facility. Just like on the FB field and on the BSB court. Bridesmaids again, so sad

 

[Crimson Crush]

Purdue’s New Facilities dwarfs IU new Facility. Just like on the FB field and on the BSB court. Bridesmaids again, so sad

Great flame bait! I’ll archive that one for future use. That’s some fantastic insight right there.

 

[Indianaftw]

When you say dream coach Allen could be our guy. IMO the coach I hope Allen turns out most to be like is Frank Beamer. Virginia Tech was pretty lame before Beamer got there. He could get really successful and the only reason he may leave is if IU doesn't pony up if he gets to a level where we are bowling every year. Beamer stuck it out and its not like Va Tech spends the kind of money like OSU, Michi, PSU, Bama, and others. If CTA ends up being similar to Beamer we have hit a grand slam.

 

[Crimson Crush]

When you say dream coach Allen could be our guy. IMO the coach I hope Allen turns out most to be like is Frank Beamer. Virginia Tech was pretty lame before Beamer got there. He could get really successful and the only reason he may leave is if IU doesn't pony up if he gets to a level where we are bowling every year. Beamer stuck it out and its not like Va Tech spends the kind of money like OSU, Michi, PSU, Bama, and others. If CTA ends up being similar to Beamer we have hit a grand slam.

Beamer

1987: 2-9
1988: 3-8
1989: 6-4-1
1990: 6-5
1991: 5-6
1992: 2-8-1
1993: 9-3

Coaches fepaugh, Upset Alert, Ord 2.0, Ord 14.0 and AD Wysoc would have fired him definitely after 1988. But, if Associate AD Ord 13.2 told them to give him “one last chance,” then they most certainly would have canned him after 1992.

 

[RBB89]

Purdue’s New Facilities dwarfs IU new Facility. Just like on the FB field and on the BSB court. Bridesmaids again, so sad

This is stupid. Both programs are going to have very nice facilities for the first time in a long time.

 

[Crimson Crush]

This is stupid. Both programs are going to have very nice facilities for the first time in a long time.

Much of Purdue “Master Plan” is still just that: a plan. It’s great and they are making progress but let’s talk about right now. IU has COMPLETED (aka - Done, shovels hit dirt, brick and mortar, actually in place for use) a North Endzone, A South Endzone, a 40 million renovation to Assembly Hall and a dedicated, basketball facility called Cook Hall. So I challenge the dwarf school bus driver from Purdue to lay out a comparison of the new facilities actually in place at both institutions and we’ll see where we stand?
What is actually in place other than the performance complex and lights at Ross-Ade? Don’t tell me what’s on paper. Tell me what’s in the ground?

 

[76-1]

Much of Purdue “Master Plan” is still just that: a plan. It’s great and they are making progress but let’s talk about right now. IU has COMPLETED (aka - Done, shovels hit dirt, brick and mortar, actually in place for use) a North Endzone, A South Endzone, a 40 million renovation to Assembly Hall and a dedicated, basketball facility called Cook Hall. So I challenge the dwarf school bus driver from Purdue to lay out a comparison of the new facilities actually in place at both institutions and we’ll see where we stand?
What is actually in place other than the performance complex and lights at Ross-Ade? Don’t tell me what’s on paper. Tell me what’s in the ground?

Whhhhhyyyyyyyyy????????!

 

[Upset Alert]

Beamer

1987: 2-9
1988: 3-8
1989: 6-4-1
1990: 6-5
1991: 5-6
1992: 2-8-1
1993: 9-3

Coaches fepaugh, Upset Alert, Ord 2.0, Ord 14.0 and AD Wysoc would have fired him definitely after 1988. But, if Associate AD Ord 13.2 told them to give him “one last chance,” then they most certainly would have canned him after 1992.

So are you saying you're willing to wait for Allen's 7th season for a bowl game? Wow. I sure as heck won't be that patient.

 

[Indianaftw]

Beamer

1987: 2-9
1988: 3-8
1989: 6-4-1
1990: 6-5
1991: 5-6
1992: 2-8-1
1993: 9-3

Coaches fepaugh, Upset Alert, Ord 2.0, Ord 14.0 and AD Wysoc would have fired him definitely after 1988. But, if Associate AD Ord 13.2 told them to give him “one last chance,” then they most certainly would have canned him after 1992.

Bill McCartney had a similar start at CU...this wasn't a cupboard bare situation as was Beamer and McCartney. Va Tech was coming off probation with Dooley and McCartney built from scratch. My point was the situations are similar and if CTA sticks around my wish would be for him to be similar to Beamer. That would be a killer situation for IU.