Christopher Columbus was a fraud

[JamieDimonsBalls]

The Vikings were the true discoverers of America.

Vikings were in the Americas 500 years before Christopher Columbus: study

Viking adventurers reportedly arrived in the Americas 500 years before the legendary Italian explorer and navigator set foot here in 1492, according to a recent study.

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SKOL!

 

[Crayfish57]

In truth didn't the native population discover it?

 

[i'vegotwinners]

In truth didn't the native population discover it?

i'm thinking the dinosaurs.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

The Vikings were the true discoverers of America.

Vikings were in the Americas 500 years before Christopher Columbus: study

Viking adventurers reportedly arrived in the Americas 500 years before the legendary Italian explorer and navigator set foot here in 1492, according to a recent study.

nypost.com

SKOL!

Go Bears!

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Go Bears!

I’ll always be a Bears fan

 

[CO. Hoosier]

The Vikings were the true discoverers of America.

Vikings were in the Americas 500 years before Christopher Columbus: study

Viking adventurers reportedly arrived in the Americas 500 years before the legendary Italian explorer and navigator set foot here in 1492, according to a recent study.

nypost.com

SKOL!

So, why do the Vikings hold a place of honor and Columbus is persona non grata?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

In truth didn't the native population discover it?

Yep, how can one discover something other people are literally living on.

 

[NPT]

Yep, how can one discover something other people are literally living on.

I'm like you, I've always said that "discover" is the wrong word when describing Columbus. On the other hand, I don't think we'll ever know for sure who discovered America.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Yep, how can one discover something other people are literally living on.

Ha....that's a really good point. And as NPT said, you can't really 'discover' some place other people are already living on.

 

[Lucy01]

I'm like you, I've always said that "discover" is the wrong word when describing Columbus. On the other hand, I don't think we'll ever know for sure who discovered America.

Just track the Biden family pay for play money. You will find your answer there.

 

[GiggityGoo]

Columbus discovering America would more aptly be described as the Western world discovering America. Which is still a massively consequential event and should be celebrated.

 

[VanPastorMan]

The Vikings were the true discoverers of America.

Vikings were in the Americas 500 years before Christopher Columbus: study

Viking adventurers reportedly arrived in the Americas 500 years before the legendary Italian explorer and navigator set foot here in 1492, according to a recent study.

nypost.com

SKOL!

It's their own fault. The Vikings had bad PR people working for them. Now once question I have is if they came to North America did they go back to their homeland or stay here?

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Yep, how can one discover something other people are literally living on.

Because nobody can pin down when or how native Americans ended up here.

 

[Univee2]

The Vikings were the true discoverers of America.

Vikings were in the Americas 500 years before Christopher Columbus: study

Viking adventurers reportedly arrived in the Americas 500 years before the legendary Italian explorer and navigator set foot here in 1492, according to a recent study.

nypost.com

SKOL!

AND they still haven’t won a Super Bowl. . . .

 

[Univee2]

Because nobody can pin down when or how native Americans ended up here.

The Indians came over the Bering Strait.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

AND they still haven’t won a Super Bowl. . . .

Little known fact...Fran Tarkenton was a member of Leif Erikson's crew.

 

[larsIU]

Go Bears!

To be fair, the bears were here before anybody.

Just track the Biden family pay for play money. You will find your answer there.

Solid. But I thought Al Gore discovered it.

I'll see myself out.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

AND they still haven’t won a Super Bowl. . . .

@TheOriginalHappyGoat

 

[Lucy01]

To be fair, the bears were here before anybody.


Solid. But I thought Al Gore discovered it.

I'll see myself out.

Al discovered the Internet!

 

[larsIU]

Al discovered the Internet!

He discovered.....everything.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Just track the Biden family pay for play money. You will find your answer there.

The subtle beauty of this post is that Kiev was arguably founded by Vikings!

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

We already did this thread. And Bulk beat Univee to the joke.

Vikings were in North America exactly 1,000 years ago

They did not necessarily arrive in 1021, but evidence strongly indicates they were in Newfoundland as of 1021. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/20/science/vikings-newfoundland-age.html

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[JamieDimonsBalls]

The Indians came over the Bering Strait.

That’s the predominant theory. I’ve seen more.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

We already did this thread. And Bulk beat Univee to the joke.

Vikings were in North America exactly 1,000 years ago

They did not necessarily arrive in 1021, but evidence strongly indicates they were in Newfoundland as of 1021. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/20/science/vikings-newfoundland-age.html

indiana.forums.rivals.com

This was a confirmation via a study of wood.

 

[IU_Hickory]

So, why do the Vikings hold a place of honor and Columbus is persona non grata?

We hold vikings in a place of honor? Since when? We still pretend vikings had horns on their helmets lmao.

Anyway, here you go as to why there is push back on pretending Columbus was some hero - https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/12/us/christopher-columbus-slavery-disease-trnd/index.html

 

[IU_Hickory]

Just track the Biden family pay for play money. You will find your answer there.

you just couldn't leave your political lunacy out of the thread?

 

[Noodle]

The podcast The Rest is History recently had a 4-parter on Columbus. As are all of their episodes, it was really, really good. Needless to say, even in his time many saw Columbus as a loon. For example, most people knew that Columbus had not reached Asia but Columbus continued to insist that he had. (Never mind that old nonsense about Columbus proving the Earth was round - the ancient Greeks had figured that out.)

306. Columbus: The Adventure Begins | The Rest Is History

Listen to 306. Columbus: The Adventure Begins from The Rest Is History. A controversial figure both now and in his time, Tom and Dominic discuss Columbus and his drive for discovery, power and status. They look at Columbus’ early life in Genoa, his journey to becoming an accomplished sailor, his...

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[Harry Hondo]

i'm thinking the dinosaurs.

Nope, ancient aliens. I watch the shows on the History Channel.

 

[Sope Creek]

The Vikings were the true discoverers of America.

Vikings were in the Americas 500 years before Christopher Columbus: study

Viking adventurers reportedly arrived in the Americas 500 years before the legendary Italian explorer and navigator set foot here in 1492, according to a recent study.

nypost.com

SKOL!

The Vikings packed up and went home. Couldn't hack it.

 

[NPT]

That’s the predominant theory. I’ve seen more.

But doesn't history tell us that Indians were already here when Columbus came over? So back to Marvin's question "How do you discover a place where people are already living?"

 

[ORG]

In truth didn't the native population discover it?

If the native population was already there, how could they discover it? And, some experts feel there is evidence of remains that predate the American Indians genetically.

 

[IU_Hickory]

those darn Neanderthals prevented us from being able to discover anything

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

If the native population was already there, how could they discover it? And, some experts feel there is evidence of remains that predate the American Indians genetically.

Which experts are pushing that?

 

[Sope Creek]

Which experts are pushing that?

Michael R. Waters and Thomas D. Dillahay?

The First Americans

Humans colonized the New World earlier than previously thought—a revelation that is forcing scientists to rethink long-standing ideas about these trailblazers

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Noodle]

If the native population was already there, how could they discover it? And, some experts feel there is evidence of remains that predate the American Indians genetically.

Unless humans first evolved in America (or the Garden of Eden was in America), someone "discovered" America. The ancestors of the indigenous peoples here at the time the Norse or Columbus arrived discovered America.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Michael R. Waters and Thomas D. Dillahay?

The First Americans

Humans colonized the New World earlier than previously thought—a revelation that is forcing scientists to rethink long-standing ideas about these trailblazers

www.scientificamerican.com

Ah. I'm familiar with that. That's not suggesting a separate population that predates native Americans, though. Rather, it just posits an earlier arrival.

 

[IU_Hickory]

Unless humans first evolved in America (or the Garden of Eden was in America), someone "discovered" America. The ancestors of the indigenous peoples here at the time the Norse or Columbus arrived discovered America.

Unless someone predated the indians and they killed them off prior to Columbus arriving.

 

[Sope Creek]

Ah. I'm familiar with that. That's not suggesting a separate population that predates native Americans, though. Rather, it just posits an earlier arrival.

Hmmm . . . I didn't read it that way. I read it as positing a separate population that predates native Americans.

What are you talking about: an earlier arrival of native Americans?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Hmmm . . . I didn't read it that way. I read it as positing a separate population that predates native Americans.

What are you talking about: an earlier arrival of native Americans?

That they began colonizing America earlier than the traditional narrative, i.e., before the great passageway opened up from retreating glaciers. Probably started with coastal migration down the Pacific seaboard.

 

[Sope Creek]

That they began colonizing America earlier than the traditional narrative, i.e., before the great passageway opened up from retreating glaciers. Probably started with coastal migration down the Pacific seaboard.

Got it. What gets me, is the pre-Clovis period and the post-Clovis period. Did Clovis people interbreed with the pre- and post-native American populations?