CBS Sports’ Jon Rothstein Forecasts Big Ten Basketball | Not Optimistic on IU
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He calls them power rankings when they involve no data. Which makes them nothing more than an arbitrary list based on an opinion.
Anyone can make a list and call it a ranking. Lets see some data ..
Does he not know we went undefeated at home last year, were ranked in the top 10, and have the reigning national COY?
Nothing to discuss. He points out that two high-profile players left the program. Perhaps he thinks Hoosiers will now play three on five basketball. There was no analysis. And there was no thought.
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You know, why don't you just give it a rest for a bit?
You need to tell him about the visions (or hallucinations) you had this year at your Archie altar. Surely he’d listen to someone with your credibility.
lol ... he's too stupid to know how stupid he is.
You're an idiot ... I'll explain why, knowing full well you're too stupid to understand .. because you're an idiot.
Every post you make has the childlike reasoning of like and or hate Archie. That is the full extent of your reasoning level. You're an idiot with a childlike gimpy brain incapable of critical thought.
No one is disagreeing with anything on his list because no one is taking his list seriously. It has nothing to do with where he ranks us. The reason no one is taking his list seriously, is because it's nothing more than a list based on opinion only.
You should understand this because it also describes every post you've ever made on basketball. Nothing more than feelings and very short on thought.
Maybe someday the fact that you are indeed an idiot will finally sink into your thick skull and you'll actually educate yourself...
Until then, ESAD, gimp.
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Here's a much better system. It's based on off and def efficiency and then adding average improvement for returning players with qualifying minutes and average efficiency based on ranking for freshman and players who have not played enough minutes.
Note like all actual data based systems this is a projection not a prediction. Predictions are for wizards, fans and sportswriters.
IU (ranked 57th) would need vast improvement from several current players to have a successful season. Which means odds are against us but it doesn't mean it can't happen...
TORVIK
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Were you basing your guarantees last year on your opinion or data? I’d love to see that data.
Have faith....he picked us to finish 4th last year, and Purdue 9th. Wouldn't bet too much on his clairvoyance.
Looks like a fairly reasonable list to me, although I think we will finish a little higher than that.
This will be a HUGE tell tale season for Archie. What can he do with this team?
I think we all know where Feeps stands on this, and he very well may be right.
I'll take a spot somewhere in the middle, between him and some of you rose colored glasses guys.
This will be a HUGE tell tale season for Archie. What can he do with this team?
I think we all know where Feeps stands on this, and he very well may be right.
I'll take a spot somewhere in the middle, between him and some of you rose colored glasses guys.
I think every player on this team can compete for PT. I hate to open a can of worms but if coached well they are a good team. If not the article could be right.
Didn’t you have an opinion about last year’s team? How educated was your view of things? What data did you use to formulate it?
I think he has us too high, actually. I'm thinking around 12-14 place. Being in the top 10 of the conference for IU basketball is pretty generous anymore.
You think IU will be lousy, but won’t accept a small bet on IU making the tournament. I’m betting they will. Are you going to bet they won’t?
Time for the returning players to step up. Green needs to deliver buckets.
Phinisee needs to lead the team.
I have no confidence in Smith as a perimeter shooter so he needs to play D, rebound, block shots, dunk, and hit FTs at better than 40% or 50%, hopefully Hunter is healthy enough to play.
TJD, DeRon, Brunk, and Race need to play well in the paint.
DeRon and Race need to stay healthy.
Franklin needs to adjust quickly to B1G ball and contribute.
Al needs to continue improving his jumpshot.
Damezi needs to regain his confidence and score the ball.
Archie needs to keep positive team chemistry and keep the team playing solid D and continue to reduce turnovers and value the ball to win low scoring grinder games in the B1G.
Phinisee needs to lead the team.
I have no confidence in Smith as a perimeter shooter so he needs to play D, rebound, block shots, dunk, and hit FTs at better than 40% or 50%, hopefully Hunter is healthy enough to play.
TJD, DeRon, Brunk, and Race need to play well in the paint.
DeRon and Race need to stay healthy.
Franklin needs to adjust quickly to B1G ball and contribute.
Al needs to continue improving his jumpshot.
Damezi needs to regain his confidence and score the ball.
Archie needs to keep positive team chemistry and keep the team playing solid D and continue to reduce turnovers and value the ball to win low scoring grinder games in the B1G.
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I think one thing that any full ranking has to do is at least look at respective schedules. The schedule, who you play, and when and where, all matter.
Beyond that, take out any indication that it is a "power ranking" and discuss.
Curiously enough, the Bart Torvik projection dovetails with the CBS Sports prediction, or “power ranking”. Could it be that he used Torvik in formulating his power ranking? In that case, he’s more generous to us, because he has Indiana as 10th, while Torvik has us as 11th.
http://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php?conlimit=B10&state=All&year=2020&sort=
I wouldn't doubt that a one bit .. I just dislike calling it a 'power ranking' and then not showing ANY methodology as to how the ranking is created. If no methodology or metric is used. It's nothing but a one person opinion poll..
The computer models are great for crunching the numbers to produce projections, which are the basis of probability. It's the gamblers job to bet on teams, horses, golfers whatever that you see as having factors in their favor that make their probability of success much greater than the view of the public at large.
Lets say that the computers say that IU is 35-1 to win the Big 10 and Vegas is offering 30. If I think IU's true odds are closer to 12-1 or even up to about 15-1, then IU becomes a must bet even though I don't even actually view then as most likely to win the Big Ten.
This is a good way of describing what I think of IU this upcoming season. If they suck, fpu will say "wow were you wrong". But, I don't have to be right all that often to show an awesome profit, if I become adept at finding factors that indicate that the public is undervaluing a position.
After years of practice, I'm pretty good at it with horse racing now. I've only ventured into sports betting the last few years, but it seems that the same concepts hold true.
One thing I've learned is that most people want to hear people say "good choice" and feel good about their bet before the actual contest. Which invariably leads them to eating chalk right along with the talking heads. The best bets usually make you feel pretty uncomfortable, questioning your sanity... but the ultimate payoff is feeling good after the contest is over, trying to close your wallet around all that cash while 70% of the Rothstein followers are tearing up their MSU tickets
Yup, and all they do is point you to what the correct questions should be, not the answers.
The best part about his list is he had TJD as his top impact freshman.
Rob Phinisee on his top 10 list of breakout stars.
Jerome Hunter on his top 10 list of underrated freshmen.
And Joey Brunk on his list of top 10 impact transfers.
If that all happens then IU will be a top 4 team in the BIG10, not 10th.
Seems like a dude that has no idea what the hell he's talking about.
Rob Phinisee on his top 10 list of breakout stars.
Jerome Hunter on his top 10 list of underrated freshmen.
And Joey Brunk on his list of top 10 impact transfers.
If that all happens then IU will be a top 4 team in the BIG10, not 10th.
Seems like a dude that has no idea what the hell he's talking about.
There are 10 on each list though out of 14 teams. So nearly every team has someone on the lists. It’s not like there’s only 3-4 per list.
With all due respect, we're not here to watch the administration squirm. That's not our spectator sport of choice. We want to watch our basketball team play and win, whoever the administration is.
I'm curious why you think calling another poster an idiot (6 times by my count) enhances your arguement. I'm usually interested in what you post. The impact of what you post is diminished every time you call another poster a pejoritive rather than critique what that poster said.
I doubt that you have the professional credentials to label someone an idiot. I note that you seem to be a data driven guy. You question columnists who offer opinion without data. Why not provide the data followed by your conclusions based upon that data?
Until the administration squirms IU won’t win in the only two sports that matter.
Do you know that a long time ago an IU swimmer won 7 gold medals at the same Olympics, all in world record time? His name is Mark Spitz.
It was only 6 times? Increase that by a factor of 100 or so and you may begin to approximate the level of idiocy the subject in question propagates.
Because TMP is an arrogant clown. Some teenage tough guy on his Mommy’s downstairs computer. No one takes him seriously.
Who takes you seriously other than yourself?
