Cartels are in real trouble

[mcmurtry66]

It could also be because alcohol, when heavily abused is dangerous, but some drugs are just dangerous with even recreational/moderate use.

Domestically, legalize Marijuana and then make the punishments for having anything else draconian up to slapping the death penalty on people caught trafficking internationally.

Good point on potency. Part of the problem with fen

 

[twenty02]

No offense, twenty. But this isn't exactly an impressive answer.

We just disagree.

Hell of a lot better answer than having our military attempt to wage a drug war across from our border, IMHO.

Regardless, it won't be happening. This idea was already shot down dead during the first Trump admin.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

We just disagree.

Hell of a lot better answer than having our military attempt to wage a drug war across from our border, IMHO.

Regardless, it won't be happening. This idea was already shot down dead during the first Trump admin.

A lot has changed since then - or I should say has rapidly increased.

Drug Overdose Deaths: Facts and Figures | National Institute on Drug Abuse

See facts and figures on overdose deaths as reported by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

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[crazed_hoosier2]

The other part people are missing is you can't ignore this issue forever if it continues it's trend line. It's turning into a national security issue for the country.

Thankfully, the trendline has flattened out in recent years. But that's after a long period of steady growth.

If I had to guess, I'd say that the healthcare sector is doing a better job than it used to about facilitating addiction to prescription painkillers...which are pretty frequently gateway drugs to the killer opiates.

But it's still just intolerable that we're losing >100K annually. That's almost two Vietnams per year. And even this doesn't get into all the costs due to the addicts who don't die.

What we've been doing just hasn't worked.

 

[snarlcakes]

Thankfully, the trendline has flattened out in recent years. But that's after a long period of steady growth.

If I had to guess, I'd say that the healthcare sector is doing a better job than it used to about facilitating addiction to prescription painkillers...which are pretty frequently gateway drugs to the killer opiates.

But it's still just intolerable that we're losing >100K annually. That's almost two Vietnams per year. And even this doesn't get into all the costs due to the addicts who don't die.

What we've been doing just hasn't worked.

You're a little more optimistic on the trendline than myself. I'm worried it's just a short term decrease from Covid shutdown highs (which accelerated it) and we will continue trending upwards in the next several years.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You're a little more optimistic on the trendline than myself. I'm worried it's just a short term decrease from Covid shutdown highs (which accelerated it) and we will continue trending upwards in the next several years.

Let’s see what impact 100 billion has snarl. That’s a lot of dough

 

[mcmurtry66]

The master tobacco settlement was in 98. In 01 35% of people 18-29 smoked. 20 years later it was 12%

 

[mrhighlife]

Treatment over incarceration has gained a whole lot of favor. I don't necessarily think it's wrong, either.

But I don't think we can argue that doing this has reduced addiction, let alone overdose deaths. OD deaths have kind of flattened in recent years, thankfully. But they're up something like 500% since the 2000. It's catastrophic.

We're going to have to do something more about the supply. And I haven't heard any better ideas.

What happened around the year 2000? I'm honestly asking. I graduated highschool around that time. I've done every drug under the sun. Multiple times. Never in my youth were opioids "vogue". Heroin was almost non existent during the 90s. Pills would occasionally turn up but that always just seemed a suburban soccer mom cliche issue. Then bam! Shits everywhere..

 

[mcmurtry66]

What happened around the year 2000? I'm honestly asking. I graduated highschool around that time. I've done every drug under the sun. Multiple times. Never in my youth were opioids "vogue". Heroin was almost non existent during the 90s. Pills would occasionally turn up but that always just seemed a suburban soccer mom cliche issue. Then bam! Shits everywhere..

Oxy became a pill around 97. That pill was the genesis of the addiction over prescription shit if memory serves

 

[outside shooter]

OxyContin CR was approved on December 12, 1995. Purdue Pharma lied about its safety data, pushed it relentlessly as a safer painkiller. Doctors prescribed it like candy and over the next decade found a big group of people that would eventually get hooked.

 

[jet812]

So Russia will take some we should let them have all?

Maybe, but that’s a different discussion. I characterized the conflict as unwinnable for Ukraine & you objected, so I responded that them losing big chunks of their sovereign territory is not winning in my book…

 

[Spartans9312]

Thankfully, the trendline has flattened out in recent years. But that's after a long period of steady growth.

If I had to guess, I'd say that the healthcare sector is doing a better job than it used to about facilitating addiction to prescription painkillers...which are pretty frequently gateway drugs to the killer opiates.

But it's still just intolerable that we're losing >100K annually. That's almost two Vietnams per year. And even this doesn't get into all the costs due to the addicts who don't die.

What we've been doing just hasn't worked.

“Healthcare sector is doing a better job than it used to”….no way my man.

30 years ago…A pharmacy would have 1 bottle of 100 oxycodone 5mg tablets in the pharmacy. Probably 200 each of Hydrocodone 5, 7.5, 10. Probably 1,000 Darvocet (former C-IV drug no longer available)

Today..a similar pharmacy would have 6,000 Hydrocodone tablets with majority being max dose. 3,000 oxycodone tablets and 3,000 tramadol tablets.

Most will be dispensed to folks on public aid.

 

[twenty02]

Hmm, I'm not sure I fully agree with you on this.

I've never gotten the impression that Putin had his designs on taking over the entire country. I could certainly be wrong about that. And I wouldn't trust anything he said, anyway. But my sense has always been that his sights have always been set on Donbas.

That said, I think we've done the right thing in supporting Ukraine.

Seems clear, at the outset.. the Russians were running a campaign from the north to target Kyiv and depose/kill Zelensky. Putin wanted a pre-2014 government in Kyiv, not just capturing Donbas. That failed quickly and he was stuck in a stalemate

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

“Healthcare sector is doing a better job than it used to”….no way my man.

30 years ago…A pharmacy would have 1 bottle of 100 oxycodone 5mg tablets in the pharmacy. Probably 200 each of Hydrocodone 5, 7.5, 10. Probably 1,000 Darvocet (former C-IV drug no longer available)

Today..a similar pharmacy would have 6,000 Hydrocodone tablets with majority being max dose. 3,000 oxycodone tablets and 3,000 tramadol tablets.

Most will be dispensed to folks on public aid.

So…basically a one week supply for Rush Limbaugh?


(OK, that was a low blow. Especially for a dead guy. Sorry, El Rushbo! RIP)

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Seems clear, at the outset.. the Russians were running a campaign from the north to target Kyiv and depose/kill Zelensky. Putin wanted a pre-2014 government in Kyiv, not just capturing Donbas. That failed quickly and he was stuck in a stalemate

A pre-2014 government would be good for everyone. Someone who can delicately toe the line between Russia and the West.

That’s the inescapable geographic and historical reality of Ukraine. NATO and EU membership is not tenable.

 

[hoot1]

This is under the radar but it means real real serious trouble for the cartels. If we start deploying Tier 1 SMUs against them they’ll realize that they need a new line of work. They’ll be exposed to violence that they - yes even them in their psychotic bubble - cannot fathom.

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BW, do you really believe wiping out the cartels will be as easy as your post sounds?

Cannot help thinking using Tier 1 Special Military Units against the cartels has been under consideration for some time but put aside for good reasons.

 

[Spartans9312]

So…basically a one week supply for Rush Limbaugh?


(OK, that was a low blow. Especially for a dead guy. Sorry, El Rushbo! RIP)

Probably 2 weeks…

 

[larsIU]

Good point on potency. Part of the problem with fen

Bingo. My question earlier was an intentional strawman based on the above issue....potency. And cultural approbation. I think weed is similar. Harder drugs (LSD, Cocaine, Meth, Heroin, Fent) need to be more strictly controlled including heavier sentencing for those involved in the manufacture and sale of same.

 

[mcmurtry66]

“Healthcare sector is doing a better job than it used to”….no way my man.

30 years ago…A pharmacy would have 1 bottle of 100 oxycodone 5mg tablets in the pharmacy. Probably 200 each of Hydrocodone 5, 7.5, 10. Probably 1,000 Darvocet (former C-IV drug no longer available)

Today..a similar pharmacy would have 6,000 Hydrocodone tablets with majority being max dose. 3,000 oxycodone tablets and 3,000 tramadol tablets.

Most will be dispensed to folks on public aid.

That’s unreal.

@twenty02 @BadWakeboarder have the eagles from Lisbon Barca game on in the background. Barca coach flick just popped on

Navy pants
Navy sweater nothing underneath
Navy jacket

Can’t tell shoes.

 

[larsIU]

That’s unreal.

@twenty02 @BadWakeboarder have the eagles from Lisbon Barca game on in the background. Barca coach flick just popped on

Navy pants
Navy sweater nothing underneath
Navy jacket

Can’t tell shoes.

IF the shoes are black, straight to jail.

 

[mcmurtry66]

@twenty02 @BadWakeboarder oh damn!!!!! Bright white tennis shoes. @larsIU

 

[Spartans9312]

That’s unreal.

@twenty02 @BadWakeboarder have the eagles from Lisbon Barca game on in the background. Barca coach flick just popped on

Navy pants
Navy sweater nothing underneath
Navy jacket

Can’t tell shoes.

In the affluent areas….a pharmacy 30 years ago would have had 100 Ritalin and a 100 Dexedrine. Now they will have 2,000 Adderall, 1200 methylphenidate in varying release, 1500 Vyvanse.

Drug dependent society from elementary school until death.

 

[larsIU]

@twenty02 @BadWakeboarder oh damn!!!!! Bright white tennis shoes. @larsIU

 

[mcmurtry66]

In the affluent areas….a pharmacy 30 years ago would have had 100 Ritalin and a 100 Dexedrine. Now they will have 2,000 Adderall, 1200 methylphenidate in varying release, 1500 Vyvanse.

Drug dependent society from elementary school until death.

And doesn’t dea cap adderall and whatever the generic version of it is that recently came out?

Sad state of affairs. Hopefully the opioid monies help and aren’t wasted pissed away etc. there was an opt in, actually a couple of opt in requirements, so hopefully not too many of these rural counties that could benefit from the dough were sleeping at the wheel. Narcan and teletherapy opps. Certainly doesn’t make sense to have brick and mortar but access to help. Drug Ct resources

 

[mcmurtry66]

These bright white shoes are definitely a thing. I can’t tell what brand they all wear in euros and young Hollywood. They sure as shit aren’t Nikes from dicks

@BradStevens you got these all whites?

 

[Spartans9312]

And doesn’t dea cap adderall and whatever the generic version of it is that recently came out?

Sad state of affairs. Hopefully the opioid monies help and aren’t wasted pissed away etc. there was an opt in, actually a couple of opt in requirements, so hopefully not too many of these rural counties that could benefit from the dough we’re sleeping at the wheel. Narcan and teletherapy opps. Certainly doesn’t make sense to have brick and mortar but access to help

It will be wasted…unless it’s tied to employment. Nothing else matters

 

[mcmurtry66]

It will be wasted…unless it’s tied to employment. Nothing else matters

Missouri has been receiving about 125 mil in smoking settlement funds per year since 98. The state has almost a billion in opioid money coming. The figures are amazing

 

[Baller23Boogie]

@twenty02 @BadWakeboarder oh damn!!!!! Bright white tennis shoes. @larsIU

Monarchs for the win!

 

[twenty02]

Thankfully, the trendline has flattened out in recent years. But that's after a long period of steady growth.

If I had to guess, I'd say that the healthcare sector is doing a better job than it used to about facilitating addiction to prescription painkillers...which are pretty frequently gateway drugs to the killer opiates.

But it's still just intolerable that we're losing >100K annually. That's almost two Vietnams per year. And even this doesn't get into all the costs due to the addicts who don't die.

What we've been doing just hasn't worked.

Are there more opioid abusers today than 15 years ago?

Or just more overdoses because there aren't Oxy pills given out like candy and users are relying on street drugs?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Monarchs for the win!

 

[Baller23Boogie]

I know what my dad is getting for his birthday this year.

 

[Spartans9312]

Missouri has been receiving about 125 mil in smoking settlement funds per year since 98. The state has almost a billion in opioid money coming. The figures are amazing

Who’s paying the opioid money?

 

[mcmurtry66]

I know what my dad is getting for his birthday this year.

A store bought home made gift 🔥🔥

I used to love to tease my daughter when she was little. I’d tell her I can’t stop thinking about my birthday and what my present will be!!! Ohhhhhh I just pray it’s from a store and nothing home made 🤣

 

[mcmurtry66]

Who’s paying the opioid money?

Manufacturers and distributors. So J & J to cvs etc.

 

[Spartans9312]

Are there more opioid abusers today than 15 years ago?

Or just more overdoses because there aren't Oxy pills given out like candy and users are relying on street drugs?

15 years ago…probably a wash. 25 years ago vast increase in chronic prescription users.

 

[larsIU]

These bright white shoes are definitely a thing. I can’t tell what brand they all wear in euros and young Hollywood. They sure as shit aren’t Nikes from dicks

@BradStevens you got these all whites?

Nike Air Force Ones
Nike Dunks


They are (probably) Nikes

 

[Spartans9312]

Manufacturers and distributors. So J & J to cvs etc.

Physicians or physician groups employed by hospitals?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Nike Air Force Ones
Nike Dunks


They are (probably) Nikes

Not ignoring you. Not ready to opine

 

[mcmurtry66]

Physicians or physician groups employed by hospitals?

Nope. No part of it

 

[larsIU]

Manufacturers and distributors. So J & J to cvs etc.

CVS is in some legal trouble again.

DOJ files complaint against CVS for facilitating unlawful sale of prescription opioids

The Justice Department has unsealed a civil complaint alleging CVS Pharmacy Inc. and various subsidiaries filled unlawful prescriptions in violation of the federal Controlled Substances Act.

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