I agree. I was just proposing a solution that I think they would push for if they end welfare and went to UBI.
Canada floating UBI
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In a sluggish Economy
Inflation, Recession
Hits the land of the free
Standing in unemployment lines
Blame the government
For hard times
We just get by
However we can
We all gotta duck when the shit hits the fan
10 kids in a cadillac
Stand in line for welfare checks
Let's all leach off the state
Gee! the money is really great!
Soup lines
Free loaves of bread
5lb blocks of cheese
Bags of groceries
Social security
Has run out on you and me
We do whatever we can
Gotta duck when the shit hits the fan
Inflation, Recession
Hits the land of the free
Standing in unemployment lines
Blame the government
For hard times
We just get by
However we can
We all gotta duck when the shit hits the fan
10 kids in a cadillac
Stand in line for welfare checks
Let's all leach off the state
Gee! the money is really great!
Soup lines
Free loaves of bread
5lb blocks of cheese
Bags of groceries
Social security
Has run out on you and me
We do whatever we can
Gotta duck when the shit hits the fan
We basically had UBI during Covid and the country went to shit. Humans don't want to work, as a general rule. All this bullshit about people being able to do what they want to do - yeah, they want to get high binge-watch Netflix all day.
I can think of no quicker way to destroy the USA than to implement UBI.
No, there isn't. The country didn't go to shit because of the money. People didn't stop working because of the money. The country went to shit and people stopped working because jobs disappeared. You want to blame the politicians, blame them for the restrictions that led to businesses to shut down. It had nothing to do with handing out money.
The jobs didn't disappear. The supply chain was shut down because they couldn't get people in to work.
Jobs disappeared...... lmao
No money played a role bc remember it wasn’t just money it was basically a stay on everything. Rent loans utilities etc. people stayed home and ordered shit. Now I will add the caveat that had we not been locked down and people kept working maybe the outcomes would have been different. My guess it would have just increased inflation.
Calif is raising min wage and fast food and retailers have said they will simply raise prices in return
Bullshit. In the aftermath of Covid, job seekers vastly outnumbered job openings, which wasn't true before Covid, and stayed true until the middle of 2021.
The money might have caused some bad things, but it wasn't why people weren't working, which was DANC's original claim.
You’re taking this very personally. As if we’re debunking what could be the theme of a future novel… dare I say bestseller
That's your fantasy. Unemployment went up, but not drastically, because businesses layed off due to government intervention in the economy.
I guess you forgot all the people who voluntarily quit their jobs because they wanted to 'find' themselves.
Good grief.
Good grief is right.
Unemployed per job opening doesn't mean the 'unemployed' were looking for jobs. On the contrary, as I said, they didn't WANT to work because they were getting government checks.
Participation rate is a better measure for proving or disproving DAN’s point.
You described my "fantasy" as "Unemployment went up, but not drastically, because businesses layed off due to government intervention in the economy."
That chart proves my "fantasy" was actually "reality."
Good point. There was a significant drop, which is only now finally coming close to full recovery. However, if you look at both charts together, you can see that the unemployed-to-opening ratio spike is nearly an order of magnitude bigger than the drop in the participation rate.
Civilian labor force participation rate
www.bls.gov
Compare also to the unemployment rate spike for context:
Civilian unemployment rate
www.bls.gov
And a lot of the people who dropped out didn't drop out for the free money. They took early retirement. But even if we say, for the sake of argument, that most of those people qualify as DANC's "don't want to work" lazy bum type folks, still roughly 80% or so of the unemployment spike was constituted of people actively looking for work (did that math in my head, not on the back of a napkin, so very rough there).
The fact that you can't differentiate between raw statistics and motivation isn't my problem.
The “Actively looking for work” box on the unemployment benefits application doesn't mean actively looking for work. It means meeting the language of the regulation which is essentially documenting work search efforts that could include on-line applications for jobs you know you won’t get.
The definition didn't change during COVID. No matter how you slice it, far more jobs disappeared than people dropped out of the work force.
That’s true as of today but not looking at the recent past (COVID).
From Brookings:
On March 27, Congress passed a generous unemployment insurance (UI) benefits package to aid workers who lost their jobs as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. The CARES Act not only expanded coverage to various workers who normally would not qualify for UI, but also temporarily added $600 to weekly benefit amounts. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) called it “unemployment insurance on steroids.”
I thought there were also some enforcement changes, but don’t know for certain and those have likely lapsed by now too.
It's a bullshit requirement meant to placate the people who think that anyone who draws unemployment is a lazy no good taker. Many years ago in a previous life I drew unemployment while I was (sincerely) looking for work. They gave me a sheet I had to get a potential employer to sign off on that said I'd applied for a job. I hit all the bars and liquor stores and gas stations I frequested and asked "You taking applications?" Most said no, thankfully, but I then got them the sign the sheet, which I dutifully turned in every week for a couple weeks until I actually did land a job. It was a joke and everyone involved knew it.
That's tangential to what we're talking about, though. The point was DANC claimed the free money was what destroyed the economy, because everyone quit working for the free money. But that's not what happened. Everyone quit working because they got laid off, and the government gave them a bunch of free money to compensate for the layoffs. DANC has the cause and effect backwards.
There’s probably some common ground. It was clear that lots of working class people weren’t willing to go back in 2021, which is part of the reason there was such a labor shortage emerging out of COVID. The extension of UI in duration as well as with dollars disincentivized those from working wages that weren’t competitive.
I’m buzzed so a tangent is necessary…
I’ve mellowed out considerably in terms of everyday taste and music preference, but Master of Puppets is a top 3 album from anyone. Only eight fvckin tracks, but they are all solid to great.
I know people love Master, Sanitarium and Damage, but Leper Messiah is one of my all time favorites from them. Disposable Heroes also fvcks.
I took a cut when the total shutdown was lifted and I had to go back to work. The enhanced UI with the normal UI payments would have been plenty for me to stay afloat. The big money dumps were icing on the cake.
Some people have a short memory when it comes to Covid
Your view of reality is skewed. If you look at your own chart, the numbers go down drastically before Trump even left office, which was well before Covid ended.
Your claim that jobs just disappeared is laughable. Of course, some went away temporarily, due to government shutdowns. And they came right back.
And again, the number of unemployed people per job opening is a useless measurement, only interesting to anyone who doesn't understand human behavior.
Here it is again so you can't claim I'm making up the dates, which is your usual MO.
October 2025, but there are petitions and calls for an earlier one. I don't have any idea if there are can be elections forced sooner.
Trudeau Tracker - Angus Reid Institute
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Elon Musk suggesting jobs will go away and UBI is coming as no jobs means no money for working
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If only that's how it would pan out. More likely to me is that we create just enough UBI to keep people fed and clothed, and the division between rich and poor grows ever deeper as opportunities for productive egress from the lower classes to the upper disappear.Elon Musk suggesting jobs will go away and UBI is coming as no jobs means no money for working
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Sounds familiar...the only difference is that the means of production controls the government instead of the other way around...same outcome for the working class.
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