Buttigieg & Biden on Gas Prices

[stollcpa]

Mr Buttigieg says gas prices are out of a political leaders control.

It’s Covid and Purim’s fault, I guess. What might be if Biden had his pen taken away his first day in office.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...S-deficit-gas-prices-politicians-control.html

All you can do is laugh.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lame-soaring-gas-prices-inflation-Russia.html

 

[dbmhoosier]

Let them ride bikes.

 

[Lucy01]

My post was no where near as bad as the stuff that was not deleted about the TRUMP family!

 

[Indianaftw]

My post was no where near as bad as the stuff that was not deleted about the TRUMP family!

Ohhh my. WC police out again? We need to start a Bail Project.

 

[stollcpa]

My post was no where near as bad as the stuff that was not deleted about the TRUMP family!

A badge of honor if the Greatest of all time is deleting your posts.

 

[Lucy01]

A badge of honor if the Greatest of all time is deleting your posts.

It was their immoral mind that filled in the blank. Not me.

 

[Indianaftw]

Tiktok influencers to sell his garbage to kids wtf. I'll give em credit it'll work. We will have a future with warped minds in charge. I can already see 20 years from now some young adult talking about inflation in the 2020s saying (jizzy 10 million tiktok followers) said it wasnt joe bidens fault it was putin and believing its real.

Insert facepalm

 

[Lucy01]

Tiktok influencers to sell his garbage to kids wtf. I'll give em credit it'll work. We will have a future with warped minds in charge. I can already see 20 years from now some young adult talking about inflation in the 2020s saying (jizzy 10 million tiktok followers) said it wasnt joe bidens fault it was putin and believing its real.

Insert facepalm

You hit the nail on the head when you said warped minds! We have a few of those here at the prestigious Water Cooler. I really miss Anita Bryant!

 

[Lucy01]

Mayor Pete had a solution for high gas costs today. He said people should start riding busses.
He is so smart.

 

[DrHoops]

Mr Buttigieg says gas prices are out of a political leaders control.

It’s Covid and Purim’s fault, I guess. What might be if Biden had his pen taken away his first day in office.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...S-deficit-gas-prices-politicians-control.html

All you can do is laugh.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lame-soaring-gas-prices-inflation-Russia.html

Suggestions?

 

[DANC]

A badge of honor if the Greatest of all time is deleting your posts.

But he'll tell you he's not a mod here.

 

[Indianaftw]

Suggestions?

3 year wait to buy an electric truck. We supposed to sit sidelined until then. Butty head is a dumbass plain and simple.

 

[NOMORENIT]

Suggestions?

Mayor Pete is on to something. Either produce more or curb the demand. Again, it's Supply and Demand.

 

[jet812]

Suggestions?

These posts are the best. If a bunch of knuckleheads on a sports forum can’t think of a solution there must not be one🙄. Of course, it is entirely plausible that if a bunch of knuckleheads on a sports forum can’t think of a solution, there’s no chance the current administration can either…

 

[Rockport Zebra]

Suggestions?

I seem to remember something from the Bible, way back before Neyamiah, I think. You Reep What You Sow. Not even the American people are dumb enough to be sold a bill of goods on this issue. Everyone knows that the Democrats have been pushing everything Green. Oil producers have faced constant obstruction for 50 years. Spokespersons for the administration look uncomfortable responding and for good reason. You can't run from 50 years of constantly pushing regulations that reach beyond common sense.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I seem to remember something from the Bible, way back before Neyamiah, I think. You Reep What You Sow. Not even the American people are dumb enough to be sold a bill of goods on this issue. Everyone knows that the Democrats have been pushing everything Green. Oil producers have faced constant obstruction for 50 years. Spokespersons for the administration look uncomfortable responding and for good reason. You can't run from 50 years of constantly pushing regulations that reach beyond common sense.

Your entire premise is faulty. American policy has been and remains such that we have some of the lowest gas prices among developed countries. Prices are higher now than they were a year ago all over the world, and that has been driven by a single determining factor: an increase in the price of oil on the global markets.

There are some things government can do to change the price of gas. SPR releases will help, if only a little bit. Gas tax holidays seem like a no-brainer to me, and I'm not sure why they haven't been implemented in all 50 states already. But there's almost nothing government can do to change the price of oil in any significant way (at least Western countries; OPEC on the other hand has more power in this regard).

 

[T.M.P.]

Mr Buttigieg says gas prices are out of a political leaders control.

It’s Covid and Purim’s fault, I guess. What might be if Biden had his pen taken away his first day in office.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...S-deficit-gas-prices-politicians-control.html

All you can do is laugh.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lame-soaring-gas-prices-inflation-Russia.html

 

[Crayfish57]

A post from Grandpa Jones and his family

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I seem to remember something from the Bible, way back before Neyamiah, I think. You Reep What You Sow. Not even the American people are dumb enough to be sold a bill of goods on this issue. Everyone knows that the Democrats have been pushing everything Green. Oil producers have faced constant obstruction for 50 years. Spokespersons for the administration look uncomfortable responding and for good reason. You can't run from 50 years of constantly pushing regulations that reach beyond common sense.

To go with what Goat said, we have more urban sprawl than any other developed nation, less developed mass transit, and drive bigger vehicles. We act like pollution and global warming are bad but all our actions indicate we love both.

There is our problem, we are hooked on consuming nearly free unlimited gas and if we don't get it we are angry. Yet the same angry people make fun of someone demanding to consume nearly free unlimited chocolate cake.

 

[Spartans9312]

Common sense

 

[mcmurtry66]

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Common sense

Damn

 

[Spartans9312]

Damn

Same with food security issues.

Give them a lane and get out of the way.

 

[hoot1]

Mr Buttigieg says gas prices are out of a political leaders control.

It’s Covid and Purim’s fault, I guess. What might be if Biden had his pen taken away his first day in office.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...S-deficit-gas-prices-politicians-control.html

All you can do is laugh.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lame-soaring-gas-prices-inflation-Russia.html

Why rely on presidents and their appointees for solving problems when we have the invisible hands of the market place to solve them ?

A market place, which by the way, is an ever increasingly global market place.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Why rely on presidents and their appointees for solving problems when we have the invisible hands of the market place to solve them ?

A market place, which by the way, is an ever increasingly global market place.

Would be great except the gov manipulates same; sometimes for better sometimes for worse.

 

[TMFT]

I may be way out of left field here, but if America had fully gotten behind increased fuel efficiency standards, mass transit, and EV tech over the last 25 years instead of fighting it kicking and screaming with industry lobbyist groups, maybe the fuel prices wouldn’t be a bother at all.

Probably just daydreaming.

 

[IUINSB]

I seem to remember something from the Bible, way back before Neyamiah, I think. You Reep What You Sow. Not even the American people are dumb enough to be sold a bill of goods on this issue. Everyone knows that the Democrats have been pushing everything Green. Oil producers have faced constant obstruction for 50 years. Spokespersons for the administration look uncomfortable responding and for good reason. You can't run from 50 years of constantly pushing regulations that reach beyond common sense.

Millions of Americans are dumb enough to believe most anything.

 

[Crayfish57]

I may be way out of left field here, but if America had fully gotten behind increased fuel efficiency standards, mass transit, and EV tech over the last 25 years instead of fighting it kicking and screaming with industry lobbyist groups, maybe the fuel prices wouldn’t be a bother at all.

Probably just daydreaming.

We used to have mass transit a long time ago that was efficent, Electric trains and street cars that were done away with.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I may be way out of left field here, but if America had fully gotten behind increased fuel efficiency standards, mass transit, and EV tech over the last 25 years instead of fighting it kicking and screaming with industry lobbyist groups, maybe the fuel prices wouldn’t be a bother at all.

Probably just daydreaming.

Kind of an interesting post. And you might be right. But there's some inherent problems. Not a chance in hell I'd ride mass transit everyday with the amount of crime we have around the trains. That's the case for many cities. So there would have to be a commitment to ancillary things to make mass transit truly appeal to the masses nationwide. What else is interesting is simply our culture. We like cars. We are a country of car people. Electric cars don't make the same sound as a 911. They don't make any sound. Cars have been a big part of our culture - sanctuary, coolness, autonomy, blah blah blah. But I do believe that the younger generation(s) don't care as much about cars as the older guys so I think that part of the equation is waning

 

[hoot1]

Would be great except the gov manipulates same; sometimes for better sometimes for worse.

M66, when you say manipulates in terms of the economy my thoughts run to the Federal Reserve Board.

A board, which like it or not, has an equally or maybe a more important role in battling inflation than what we call government.

Think Paul Voelker ( a Carter appointee) who as the Federal Reserve Director influenced the board to raise prime to a rate which finally broke the back of inflation as Reagan became president.

 

[Rockport Zebra]

Your entire premise is faulty. American policy has been and remains such that we have some of the lowest gas prices among developed countries. Prices are higher now than they were a year ago all over the world, and that has been driven by a single determining factor: an increase in the price of oil on the global markets.

There are some things government can do to change the price of gas. SPR releases will help, if only a little bit. Gas tax holidays seem like a no-brainer to me, and I'm not sure why they haven't been implemented in all 50 states already. But there's almost nothing government can do to change the price of oil in any significant way (at least Western countries; OPEC on the other hand has more power in this regard).

You sell that to the voters and I will stick with overregulation of the industry and the fact that due to these regulations we have oil but lack capacity to refine it. The funny thing is you and Marvin and I are all right on target. Cheep gas, lack of mass transit, large 12 mile to the gallon vehicles, pages of regulation built on top of the Clean Air and Water acts of the 70's, no refinery's built for 50 years and another stupid European war.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

You sell that to the voters and I will stick with overregulation of the industry and the fact that due to these regulations we have oil but lack capacity to refine it. The funny thing is you and Marvin and I are all right on target. Cheep gas, lack of mass transit, large 12 mile to the gallon vehicles, pages of regulation built on top of the Clean Air and Water acts of the 70's, no refinery's built for 50 years and another stupid European war.

Our refining capacity right now is basically what it was when Biden took office. I'm not saying you're wrong about regulations keeping refining capacities lower than they otherwise would be, but that doesn't explain the current price hike.

 

[Rockport Zebra]

Our refining capacity right now is basically what it was when Biden took office. I'm not saying you're wrong about regulations keeping refining capacities lower than they otherwise would be, but that doesn't explain the current price hike.

New refining plants haven't been built in 50 years and supply and demand sets the price on the world market. The price can be manipulated and has been, The administration is in a bad spot if they think new investment is going into any form of domestic carbon. You are in a bad spot if your 401 K doesn't have oil and gas stocks today. PS "My entire premise", is not faulty. That is to large a brush for my comments.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

New refining plants haven't been built in 50 years and supply and demand sets the price on the world market. The price can be manipulated and has been, The administration is in a bad spot if they think new investment is going into any form of domestic carbon. You are in a bad spot if your 401 K doesn't have oil and gas stocks today. PS "My entire premise", is not faulty. That is to large a brush for my comments.

You're right. It wasn't your premise that was faulty, but rather the entire premise of the whole complaint/conversation to begin with. The idea that Americans are suffering from abnormally expensive gas is just wrong. Gas prices are up globally, but right now, as has long been the case, American consumers enjoy relatively cheap gas compared to the rest of the developed world.

 

[Rockport Zebra]

You're right. It wasn't your premise that was faulty, but rather the entire premise of the whole complaint/conversation to begin with. The idea that Americans are suffering from abnormally expensive gas is just wrong. Gas prices are up globally, but right now, as has long been the case, American consumers enjoy relatively cheap gas compared to the rest of the developed world.

I take exception. I acknowledged that Americans have always enjoyed cheap oil. The fact that the left/your party has stated that you would end carbon industry has consequences with investment. Capacity is running at 94%. Now you reap what you sow. The voters are not sold on green if it cost too much.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I take exception. I acknowledged that Americans have always enjoyed cheap oil. The fact that the left/your party has stated that you would end carbon industry has consequences with investment. Capacity is running at 94%. Now you reap what you sow. The voters are not sold on green if it cost too much.

Ironically, green is probably the only way to solve the problem of suffering at the whims of the global markets. There's no such thing as energy independence when you get your energy from an internationally traded commodity.

As to your point about the politics of it all, you are probably right. Trying to convince people that gas actually isn't all that expensive is probably a loser.

 

[Rockport Zebra]

Ironically, green is probably the only way to solve the problem of suffering at the whims of the global markets. There's no such thing as energy independence when you get your energy from an internationally traded commodity.

As to your point about the politics of it all, you are probably right. Trying to convince people that gas actually isn't all that expensive is probably a loser.

I am just glad I live in Duckburg and don't need much of the stuff. Less than 1 tank per month, air conditioner at 78, hell I even plant trees every year. You can bet your sweet bippy I own Kinder Morgan.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I am just glad I live in Duckburg and don't need much of the stuff. Less than 1 tank per month, air conditioner at 78, hell I even plant trees every year. You can bet your sweet bippy I own Kinder Morgan.

I blow through a tank a week. I didn't really notice when the price went up 50 cents, but it's certainly got my attention now.

 

[snarlcakes]

I may be way out of left field here, but if America had fully gotten behind increased fuel efficiency standards, mass transit, and EV tech over the last 25 years instead of fighting it kicking and screaming with industry lobbyist groups, maybe the fuel prices wouldn’t be a bother at all.

Probably just daydreaming.

Like Europe? They have real cheap gas and no energy issues 😚

 

[Rockport Zebra]

I blow through a tank a week. I didn't really notice when the price went up 50 cents, but it's certainly got my attention now.

You are not as old as I. I remember when it went petrol rose from 25ct to 50 and then to $1 and then $2. It caused a shit storm that lasted 20 years.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

You are not as old as I. I remember when it went petrol rose from 25ct to 50 and then to $1 and then $2. It caused a shit storm that lasted 20 years.

I got my license in 1994. Around these parts, that was the last time the price dipped below a dollar, during that time when prices dropped in the years after the Gulf War. I don't remember the exact price, of course, but my first ever fill-up was something like 0.95/gallon or something. Then, I remember the prices holding steady at 0.99 for a while, I think for the psychological wall of crossing the dollar barrier again. But then, when it did go above a dollar, it never came back down.