I seriously think he's mentally ill. I'm not even joking anymore. It's beyond sad at this point.
Brady suspended for 4 games HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Everyone is forgetting the main points of the matter.
What you need to know is 11 of 12 balls for the Patriots were deflated or underinflated while the Colts balls were not. Either the Patriots equipment manager did it on his own, or on direction of the person that is most directly affected by the ball. If Brady would have said, "I don't know what the pressure was, or is supposed to be. I just told the equipment guys I like them a certain way and that is how they gave them to me". If he did that and cooperated in every way possible to prove he had no part in it, this would be over with a fine and the firing of the equipment guy.
You should sue the Patriots for the treatment you are going to need when this is over.
That is simply NOT TRUE.
The Colts footballs began at 13.0 or 13.1 psi.
At the end of halftime, even after warming up for over 12 minutes in the referee’s room, 3 of 4 were under 12.5 psi as measured by the low-reading gauge, the gauge for which Wells claims gives gospel-truth values for Patriots footballs .
Is 13.1 equal to 12.3?
You say it is.
Try again.
SI's Legal Expert Michael McCann: After reading the Tom Brady appeal transcript, I don't understand why he's is being suspensed
He has done a complete 180 on this. He says NFL ran a kangaroo court and that judge Berman will be disappointed in the league. Oddly though he feels that Brady will have to give SOMETHING to show a spirit of compromise and will settle for 1 game. I don't think he will accept that. It's about honor.
"I look at this testimony and I say for all the failing the NFL has, the bizarre process they use, at the end of the day where is the evidence Tom Brady participated in a ball-deflation scheme? I don’t see it. Then you’re left with, OK, was he cooperative? Well, Ted Wells found him sufficiently cooperative. You have Ted Wells saying he is. Why would that would even warrant a suspension if he isn’t as cooperative as he could have been? This doesn’t add up to me.”
“Initially my expectation was that he would tell Tom Brady in essence, ‘Look, this may not be fair, but the CBA gives Roger Goodell wide latitude. And even if I’m not sure about the allegations against you, it looks like the league has discretion.’ But after reading the testimony, I’m really leaning in the other direction. I’m think the judge is going to tell the NFL this was a kangaroo court. You have the cross-examiner also involved with the preparation of the so-called independent report that clearly wasn’t independent. You have categorical denials by the person who’s alleged to have done the wrongdoing. You have the lack of evidence contradicting those denials.
“I just don’t see, as deferential as the court will be to the NFL, where’s the actual evidence? What is the reasoning that led the NFL to suspending Tom Brady? And if I’m a judge, I’m going to have some hard questions for the NFL.”
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...pt-i-dont-understand-why-hes-being-suspended/
Michael McCann@McCannSportsLaw
Tom Brady's transcript may be just enough for him to beat NFL in court.
He has done a complete 180 on this. He says NFL ran a kangaroo court and that judge Berman will be disappointed in the league. Oddly though he feels that Brady will have to give SOMETHING to show a spirit of compromise and will settle for 1 game. I don't think he will accept that. It's about honor.
"I look at this testimony and I say for all the failing the NFL has, the bizarre process they use, at the end of the day where is the evidence Tom Brady participated in a ball-deflation scheme? I don’t see it. Then you’re left with, OK, was he cooperative? Well, Ted Wells found him sufficiently cooperative. You have Ted Wells saying he is. Why would that would even warrant a suspension if he isn’t as cooperative as he could have been? This doesn’t add up to me.”
“Initially my expectation was that he would tell Tom Brady in essence, ‘Look, this may not be fair, but the CBA gives Roger Goodell wide latitude. And even if I’m not sure about the allegations against you, it looks like the league has discretion.’ But after reading the testimony, I’m really leaning in the other direction. I’m think the judge is going to tell the NFL this was a kangaroo court. You have the cross-examiner also involved with the preparation of the so-called independent report that clearly wasn’t independent. You have categorical denials by the person who’s alleged to have done the wrongdoing. You have the lack of evidence contradicting those denials.
“I just don’t see, as deferential as the court will be to the NFL, where’s the actual evidence? What is the reasoning that led the NFL to suspending Tom Brady? And if I’m a judge, I’m going to have some hard questions for the NFL.”
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...pt-i-dont-understand-why-hes-being-suspended/
Michael McCann@McCannSportsLaw
Tom Brady's transcript may be just enough for him to beat NFL in court.
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This November your air pressure light will come on in your car. You apparently can blame Tom Brady for taking air out overnight, according to the NFL, Colts fans, Ravens fans, ESPN, and legions of other Patriots haters everywhere.
That dude Brady gets around! He’s deflating tires in Australia as we speak. This must stop.
That dude Brady gets around! He’s deflating tires in Australia as we speak. This must stop.
You sir have went section 8. You can't even remember what the true issues and arguments are. You are lost in your play room fantasy with Tom and have lost all sense of reality.
I remember a report that said the 4 Colts balls were within the proper range. Of course I haven't spent every waking minute obsessing over this as you have done. Have you no other hobbies, or a family to fill up your day?
If the Colts balls were under inflated, they should be fined and investigated. They weren't so this isn't about them.
Let's analyze what I said:
1) "The Colts footballs began at 13.0 or 13.1 psi."
support: Wells report, page 3: "Most of the Colts game balls tested by Anderson prior to the game measured 13.0 or 13.1 psi."
2) "At the end of halftime, even after warming up for over 12 minutes in the referee’s room, 3 of 4 were under 12.5 psi as measured by the low-reading gauge, the gauge for which Wells claims gives gospel-truth values for Patriots footballs ."
support: Wells report, page 8, halftime measurements for the 4 Colts footballs were tested:
Colts ball 1: 12.35 psi
Colts ball 2: 12.30 psi
Colts ball 3: 12.50 psi*
Colts ball 4: 12.15 psi
* in this case the Wells team assumed that the measurements recorded for Colts Ball 3 were switched, as 12.95 was recorded as the "low gauge" reading and 12.50 was recorded as the "high gauge" reading. see page 8 of the Exponent supplement to the Wells report
timing of the measurements, Wells report, page 7: "Only four Colts balls were tested because the officials were running out of time before the start of the second half."
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There we have it. Every word of my post was straight from the Wells report. It seems that I have a pretty good grip on reality, as I verified every word.
That was in Mortensen's famous tweet and ESPN article report that also said that 11 of 12 patriots footballs were two psi low. Mort finallly deleted the tweet yesterday. His false story was based upon a leak by Miike Kensil, an NFL vice president, to Mortensen. It was known to be false by the NFL and even by Mr. Kensil, who was present for the ball pressure measurements. The Patriots released emails to the NFL asking them to release the real numbers. The NFL refused, so Mortensen's lies were believed until he day that the Wells report was released, which contains the actual values.
The Colts football pressure readings are listed on page 8 of the Wells report
MSN Front Page: "Roger Goodell blatantly lied to make Tom Brady look dishonest"
"Brady acknowledged at least eight times that Deflategate was a topic that was covered in his conversations with Jastremski. Yet, Goodell cited Brady’s claim that he spoke to Jastremski “only” about ball preparation as one of the reasons the suspension was upheld....
At this point, it’s borderline obvious that the NFL was working backwards from a predetermined conclusion....the way Goodell and the league have framed certain information is pathetic."
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl...d-to-make-tom-brady-look-dishonest/ar-BBlqeSi
"Brady acknowledged at least eight times that Deflategate was a topic that was covered in his conversations with Jastremski. Yet, Goodell cited Brady’s claim that he spoke to Jastremski “only” about ball preparation as one of the reasons the suspension was upheld....
At this point, it’s borderline obvious that the NFL was working backwards from a predetermined conclusion....the way Goodell and the league have framed certain information is pathetic."
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl...d-to-make-tom-brady-look-dishonest/ar-BBlqeSi
BREAKING NEWS: Roger Goodell caught on tape discussing ways to uphold Patriot/Brady penalties under CBA with lacking evidence.
Oh Snap! this is starting to sound like the NCAA vs. Penn State, once you listen to the entire recording.
Link to audio
Oh Snap! this is starting to sound like the NCAA vs. Penn State, once you listen to the entire recording.
Link to audio
Well, yes, I think I do know what happened -- Brady destroyed his second phone (but not his first or third phone in that time period) to keep the investigators from seeing the actual messages.
P. 21 of the Wells Report makes clear the investigators sought the actual messages not just "his phone records" or a list of all phone calls and messages as you claim. From p. 21 of the Wells Report:
"Similarly, although Tom Brady appeared for a requested interview and answered questions voluntarily, he declined to make available any documents or electronic information (including text messages and emails) that we requested, even though those requests were limited to the subject matter of our investigation (such as messages concerning the preparation of game balls, air pressure of balls, inflation of balls or deflation of balls) and we offered to allow Brady's
counsel to screen and control the production so that it would be limited strictly to responsive
materials and would not involve our taking possession of Brady's telephone or other electronic
devices. Our inability to review contemporaneous communications and other documents in
Brady's possession and control related to the matters under review potentially limited the
discovery of relevant evidence and was not helpful to the investigation."
As you can see in this passage, the investigators agreed not to take possession of Brady's phone if Brady's counsel screened and controlled the production of "text message and emails," not just a list of 10,000 communications 2-3 months later. Of course, Brady's counsel didn't get to do this because Brady destroyed his phone. Brady made sure that not even his own lawyers got to see the actual text of those messages.
P. 11 of the July 28 ruling says the NFL requested the "documents and email/text messages (including on [Mr. Brady's] phone." It is undisputable that the NFL requested the actual messages. P. 12 of the July 28 Goodell ruling also says that Brady's own forensic expert was not given access to the phone that Brady ordered to be destroyed. It is undisputable that Brady intended to make sure that the evidence contained in those messages never saw the light of day, plus he hid the fact that he had destroyed the phone until the hearing.
It is silly for an educated person to suggest that the NFL should have started investigating 10,000 electronic messages on the day of the hearing (when Brady disclosed for the first time that his phone was destroyed).
In this day and age, you can't seriously be asking why someone involved in a highly-public, highly disputed legal dispute shouldn't destroy evidence like that. This isn't new -- both Richard Nixon and Oliver North were accused of destroying evidence by deleting or recording over audio tapes (Nixon) and by shredding paper records (North).
Brady himself made sure this mess will never end. Guys like you are not helping the situation.
Here is a good summary:
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co...atal-mistake-tom-brady-an-innocent-man/33948/
5 quick bullet points:
1) DeflateGate was fabricated by the NFL, based upon accusations by and apparent collaboration between two teams that can't beat the Patriots, the Ravens and the Colts. It was fueled by NFL executive Mike Kensil, a man who spent many years as a senior front-office executive with another Patriots whipping boy, the New York Jets.
2) The story, including faulty information from Kensil, was blown up by NFL allies in the media, including Bob Kravitz of the Indy Star, who covers a team that can't beat the Patriots, and Chris Mortensen of ESPN, who fed the nation a story that stood in contradiction to facts admitted by the NFL.
He only just retracted the story this week, seven months later.
3) The NFL's entire case against Brady is based upon innocuous texts about Brady instructing a ball boy to take care of the footballs ... like any QB would say at any time to any ball boy; and by the belief that a ball boy could rummage through a big netted bag and deflate 12 footballs to Brady's exact specifications in just 90 seconds in a cramped stadium bathroom.
Many of the accusations made by the NFL, meanwhile, are easily explained by science, including the Ideal Gas Law, which NFL officials admitted they knew nothing about before accusing Brady of wrongdoing; and by the fact that NFL officials have admitted that balls lose air pressure during games.
Keep in mind, this entire time, the NFL found that the Colts ALSO played the AFC title game with footballs that measured under the legal limit. The league simply ignored the fact that 3 of 4 Colts footballs measured under the hallowed 12.5 PSI (upon which the NFL tells us rests the integrity of the game), as if the rules applied to only one team.
4) There is NO proof, no video, no audio, no document, no text, no email, no admission, no data, no communication, no record of any kind that shows that Tom Brady had any role in illegally doctoring footballs so that they were below legal guidelines. None. This proof does not exist. Shit, there is barely any evidence of wrongdoing by Brady, let alone a smoking gun.
5) The legal world has a term for a person against whom no proof of wrongdoing exists: "Innocent."
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co...atal-mistake-tom-brady-an-innocent-man/33948/
5 quick bullet points:
1) DeflateGate was fabricated by the NFL, based upon accusations by and apparent collaboration between two teams that can't beat the Patriots, the Ravens and the Colts. It was fueled by NFL executive Mike Kensil, a man who spent many years as a senior front-office executive with another Patriots whipping boy, the New York Jets.
2) The story, including faulty information from Kensil, was blown up by NFL allies in the media, including Bob Kravitz of the Indy Star, who covers a team that can't beat the Patriots, and Chris Mortensen of ESPN, who fed the nation a story that stood in contradiction to facts admitted by the NFL.
He only just retracted the story this week, seven months later.
3) The NFL's entire case against Brady is based upon innocuous texts about Brady instructing a ball boy to take care of the footballs ... like any QB would say at any time to any ball boy; and by the belief that a ball boy could rummage through a big netted bag and deflate 12 footballs to Brady's exact specifications in just 90 seconds in a cramped stadium bathroom.
Many of the accusations made by the NFL, meanwhile, are easily explained by science, including the Ideal Gas Law, which NFL officials admitted they knew nothing about before accusing Brady of wrongdoing; and by the fact that NFL officials have admitted that balls lose air pressure during games.
Keep in mind, this entire time, the NFL found that the Colts ALSO played the AFC title game with footballs that measured under the legal limit. The league simply ignored the fact that 3 of 4 Colts footballs measured under the hallowed 12.5 PSI (upon which the NFL tells us rests the integrity of the game), as if the rules applied to only one team.
4) There is NO proof, no video, no audio, no document, no text, no email, no admission, no data, no communication, no record of any kind that shows that Tom Brady had any role in illegally doctoring footballs so that they were below legal guidelines. None. This proof does not exist. Shit, there is barely any evidence of wrongdoing by Brady, let alone a smoking gun.
5) The legal world has a term for a person against whom no proof of wrongdoing exists: "Innocent."
Comments to your individual points:
1. The NFL investigated certain charges after some of the teams had raised issues. The NFL, as I recall, exonerated all persons involved with the kicking balls. The issues pertaining to the other balls remain disputed.
2. There was indeed some misinformation circulated in the media early on.
3. Your third point is unsupportable. We don't have all the texts -- Brady himself made sure of that -- so we don't really know what Brady texted to him. And, McNally didn't need to deflate to Brady's exact specifications in 90 seconds -- letting any air out of the footballs within that 90 seconds after they have been inflated by the referee was a violation. McNally had already violated protocol by disappearing with the footballs in the first place.
4. Your fourth point simply refuses to acknowledge how incriminating it looks when a suspect destroys evidence. The destruction of evidence itself is a sign of guilt. Also, you stubbornly continue to claim that all the documents, texts, emails etc. prove Brady "innocent," when it's undeniable to normal people that he refused to disclose many of those items and, in fact, subsequently destroyed them. You haven't read the missing texts either.
5. Your fifth point is unsupportable. Brady's conduct is enough for him to appear to be guilty of conduct "detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the game of football." Do you seriously claim the way Brady has handled himself has enhanced public confidence in the game of football? Goodell's Ruling (p. 13) focuses on both (1) "a scheme to tamper with the game balls," and (2) obstructing the investigation by "arranging for destruction of his cellphone knowing that it contained potentially relevant information that had been requested by the investigators." Your posts seem ignore Goodell's second point about Brady's conduct during the investigation.
absolutely, categorically false. Brady provided to the NFL a detailed list of every text sent or received to anyone. There were no other texts to the ball boys other than what the NFL already had. Gee, that's the way texts work. I text you and the text in on BOTH of our phones. Nifty, huh?
COOL STORY BRO. He traded in his broken phone and had it recycled, after the NFL agreed that they did not need it. He traded it in on the first day back in the USA after a trip to Europe.
there are no missing texts, DUMBASS.
He has behaved precisely as an innocent man behaves. you are just a whiny Coltish bitch who wants him to lie and say he did something that he did not.
He gave up all his emails and they went on TMZ. He gave a list of every text and phone call. He answered every question. To give up you personal cell phone is not specified in the CBA and was in no way required. if he had done so, it would be on TMZ now, you Coltish dickhead.
Please, please, please STFU.
Brady himself admits that he didn't give up his emails after he was suspended in May. Here's Brady's statement: "after I was disciplined in May, we turned over detailed pages of cell phone records and all of the emails that Mr. Wells requested."
That is not how an innocent man cooperates with an investigation, i.e. stonewall until after he has been penalized and then tell the public he was mistreated.
I do not believe you seriously can claim all 10000 texts are accounted for merely by claiming that a few texts to ball boys have been revealed. That's silly.
Really wanted to start a new thread, but just one more reason Tom Brady is a dic.....evidently when Ben Affleck was cheating on Jennifer Garner with the nanny, they went out to Vegas with Brady. Pictures of the Nanny with Brady's Super Bowl rings have surfaced. Wonder if he was with Giselle? Seems doubtful. More good reasons to trash that phone.
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Sin City 'evidently' makes all sorts of people forget their morals.
As for me, I couldn't wait to GTFOTP.
Haven't you figured out by now that Chitter lives in a different universe of reality. Tom Brady could walk into a school and murder the entire student body and Chitter would blame the gun due to the Ideal Gas Law. The dude is whacked and needs a straight jacket.
Here's Deadspin's take on it:
http://deadspin.com/report-ben-affleck-and-his-nanny-went-to-vegas-with-to-1723370649
What did I say a few weeks ago? He probably knew destroying his phone would earn him a suspension, but decided it was worth it to prevent Gisele from finding whatever's on there. I hate to be an I-told-you-so, but... No wait, I love that shit. Hey Shooter! Told ya so!
http://deadspin.com/report-ben-affleck-and-his-nanny-went-to-vegas-with-to-1723370649
What did I say a few weeks ago? He probably knew destroying his phone would earn him a suspension, but decided it was worth it to prevent Gisele from finding whatever's on there. I hate to be an I-told-you-so, but... No wait, I love that shit. Hey Shooter! Told ya so!
Outside Cheater claims Brady broke his phone in Europe on a trip with Giselle and replaced it immediately when he returned to the states. The Goodell appeal decision says Brady instructed his assistant to destroy his phone on or about March 6, 2015.
The Deadspin article linked above has an internal link to this New York Post article which says the trip to Vegas occurred on June 27, 2015: http://pagesix.com/2015/08/11/ex-af...w&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow
From this timimg, sounds like Brady's current phone (not the destroyed one) might have some good stuff on it.
