Blaming the Refs

[The Vid]

Just… stop.

Maybe that play is not reviewable, but it was the right call. Also, Davis gets those calls because he’s a badass and Woodson had Miller Kopp guarding him. I think he got him with the body anyway.

Trying to reduce a 40 minute game into two plays is a fools errand. IU should have been up 10 at that point.

This IU team loses to them 9 out of 10 times. They are just a much better team. Their all-American is a legit pro.

 

[kkott]

Just… stop.

Maybe that play is not reviewable, but it was the right call. Also, Davis gets those calls because he’s a badass and Woodson had Miller Kopp guarding him. I think he got him with the body anyway.

Trying to reduce a 40 minute game into two plays is a fools errand. IU should have been up 10 at that point.

This IU team loses to them 9 out of 10 times. They are just a much better team. Their all-American is a legit pro.

I was not "blaming" it, but I believe it's a fact: that play should not have been reviewed, and, we got the short end of the continuation call. Eactly as Chicago-bound says, We should not have been in that position, but both outcomes went against us at a crucial time. Good teams can overcome that stuff. Our team? Well...

 

[bailey777]

Just… stop.

Maybe that play is not reviewable, but it was the right call. Also, Davis gets those calls because he’s a badass and Woodson had Miller Kopp guarding him. I think he got him with the body anyway.

Trying to reduce a 40 minute game into two plays is a fools errand. IU should have been up 10 at that point.

This IU team loses to them 9 out of 10 times. They are just a much better team. Their all-American is a legit pro.

Easy to blame the refs on this for some but honestly we should never even have been in that situation. Up 7 and race take a totally stupid three pointer early in the clock. Wisconcin comes down and hits a three. Up like six I think and two straight empty possessions where we throw it away. We simply do not know how to put teams away so you end up in situations where the refs can decide it.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

I was not "blaming" it, but I believe it's a fact: that play should not have been reviewed, and, we got the short end of the continuation call. Eactly as Chicago-bound says, We should not have been in that position, but both outcomes went against us at a crucial time. Good teams can overcome that stuff. Our team? Well...

btw, I really wish I could change that handle "Chicago-bound"....that wasn't my call, it was given to my account when I joined back on Rivals after the whole Peegs thing. For the longest time I went by "Crazy Joe Davola". My account still says "joined 2003" but somehow I was assigned "Chicago bound hoosier". Which I hate because I live 45 miles west of downtown and haven't been in the CHI city limits in several yrs.

Anyone with an idea, I'm all ears...

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

btw, I really wish I could change that handle "Chicago-bound"....that wasn't my call, it was given to my account when I joined back on Rivals after the whole Peegs thing. For the longest time I went by "Crazy Joe Davola". My account still says "joined 2003" but somehow I was assigned "Chicago bound hoosier". Which I hate because I live 45 miles west of downtown and haven't been in the CHI city limits in several yrs.

Anyone with an idea, I'm all ears...

You need to ask ordie how to get multiple screen names.

 

[Spirito76]

For the first time ever I awarded the game ball to the officials. And I agree we should have won the game anyway. We are no longer the House of Calls, at least not to our advantage. I awarded the game ball because of the back-to-back sequence where we lost possession on a non-reviewable judgement then seconds later was beaten by star treatment when Davis went up for the shot on the drive, was gonna eat it, then came down with it (travel or up & down in my generation) then took another step to get the shot off and the plus-one. I've accepted the euro step so now I have to accept the euro jump and step as well as being allowed to double dribble, change pivot feet several times, etc ... that we see.

 

[The Vid]

Play was 100% reviewable per the actual rules. Whoever started that was wrong. The correct call and correct review was made

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Easy to blame the refs on this for some but honestly we should never even have been in that situation. Up 7 and race take a totally stupid three pointer early in the clock. Wisconcin comes down and hits a three. Up like six I think and two straight empty possessions where we throw it away. We simply do not know how to put teams away so you end up in situations where the refs can decide it.

Don't know where to put this bitch, but it's not something I've seen elsewhere, and it does involve foul calls........

We put Davis and Davison on the line 24 times last night; they made 20.

Why in the holy hell were we bodying up on those 2 guys when they are dribbling 25-30 feet away from the basket. The refs were giving both the AA treatment anyway. That was just BEGGING for fouls, which were an automatic 2 points as soon as called.

You can body up on ball handlers 20 feet in, but there's no sense in doing so 30 feet from the basket when you're playing against 2 very skilled players.

Woodson, in his PC, bemoaned the fact that we fouled so many times...........did anyone tell X, Trey et al to fing back off a little and just try to stay between them and the basket?? Damn, when you see Johnson out there, he's signaling to the refs "PLEASE call #3 on me, Please call #4" Have all of the coaches just given up trying to coach him?

PS...I did see Woodson trying to get PS settled down after Davison hit him in the face......with limited success. Perhaps these guys are just impossible to coach.

 

[The Vid]

Don't know where to put this bitch, but it's not something I've seen elsewhere, and it does involve foul calls........

We put Davis and Davison on the line 24 times last night; they made 20.

Why in the holy hell were we bodying up on those 2 guys when they are dribbling 25-30 feet away from the basket. The refs were giving both the AA treatment anyway. That was just BEGGING for fouls, which were an automatic 2 points as soon as called.

You can body up on ball handlers 20 feet in, but there's no sense in doing so 30 feet from the basket when you're playing against 2 very skilled players.

Woodson, in his PC, bemoaned the fact that we fouled so many times...........did anyone tell X, Trey et al to fing back off a little and just try to stay between them and the basket?? Damn, when you see Johnson out there, he's signaling to the refs "PLEASE call #3 on me, Please call #4" Have all of the coaches just given up trying to coach him?

The foul Geronimo committed on Davison 95 ft from the basket was the final straw in convincing me he’s never going to be much more than a 10 minute bench guy. No basketball brains whatsoever.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Just… stop.

Maybe that play is not reviewable, but it was the right call. Also, Davis gets those calls because he’s a badass and Woodson had Miller Kopp guarding him. I think he got him with the body anyway.

Trying to reduce a 40 minute game into two plays is a fools errand. IU should have been up 10 at that point.

This IU team loses to them 9 out of 10 times. They are just a much better team. Their all-American is a legit pro.

Agreed. I really haven't seen too many people blaming the refs as much as pointing out the reality of the BIG right now.

The last couple minutes in any close games are becoming complete shit shows and the tougher teams can overcome the chaos and adversity.

You look at what happened with MD on Mon or IU last night and neither team was tough enough to overcome.

 

[Stuffshot]

Just… stop.

Maybe that play is not reviewable, but it was the right call. Also, Davis gets those calls because he’s a badass and Woodson had Miller Kopp guarding him. I think he got him with the body anyway.

Trying to reduce a 40 minute game into two plays is a fools errand. IU should have been up 10 at that point.

This IU team loses to them 9 out of 10 times. They are just a much better team. Their all-American is a legit pro.

Now, hang on.

If reviewing a play means the refs are permitted to review EVERYTHING in EVERY video from EVERY available angle relating to that play, I would think the left-handed stiff arm thrown by Wisconsin (Crowl maybe?) to clear space to allow him to get to the ball should have been called as a foul, and probably anintentional foul.

Referees will not recognize limits until they have to stand at a podium following the game and explain themselves.

If refs want to control everything, then let them answer questions after the game and we'll see how well they control their mouths.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

The foul Geronimo committed on Davison 95 ft from the basket was the final straw in convincing me he’s never going to be much more than a 10 minute bench guy. No basketball brains whatsoever.

I had basically the same take from his play in that game overall. It was obvious that he presently lacks the basketball smarts to be effective against a team like Wisconsin. I had hopes at the beginning of the season that he might eventually become a poor man's Vic. The progress toward that goal has been very slow.

 

[Hatchets7times]

Gezzz..
Indiana got beat..Pure and simple..
Indiana got beat at home why ?
Because............Johnny Davis can ball...

 

[Spirito76]

Play was 100% reviewable per the actual rules. Whoever started that was wrong. The correct call and correct review was made

Actually Jay Bilas started this discussion more than once. Here's my problem:
Rule 11 in the rule book says

"Art. 4. The officials shall not use such available equipment for judgment calls such as: a. Determine whether a foul occurred. (Exception: A flagrant foul.) b. Determine whether basket interference or goaltending occurred. (Exception: See Rule 11-2.1.e.3) c. Determine whether a violation occurred, except in Rules 11-2.1.e and 11-3.1.a.2."
11-3.1.a.2 relates to shot clock violations.

Rule 11-2.1e supports the refs with
"e. Violations. 1. In the last two minutes of the second period and of any extra period(s), to determine which team caused the ball to go out of bounds but only after a call has been made by an official."

So I assume then it's possible to have a ball go out of bounds but NO CALL made by an official. I don't think I've ever seen that; in my experience they get together and make a decision. That may or may not have happened last night but one of the refs took charge, took it to review and overturned the on-court call.

Everyone should read through the rules book. A little tedious but you'd be amazed at how many rules are not enforced or interpreted differently.

 

[namnik]

Just… stop.

Maybe that play is not reviewable, but it was the right call. Also, Davis gets those calls because he’s a badass and Woodson had Miller Kopp guarding him. I think he got him with the body anyway.

Trying to reduce a 40 minute game into two plays is a fools errand. IU should have been up 10 at that point.

This IU team loses to them 9 out of 10 times. They are just a much better team. Their all-American is a legit pro.

Nope. 3 point play to turn the game for Wisconsin on a travel easily called in little league play? Nah, this is absolutely in their laps.

 

[baileyiu]

Woody did not get Stewart thru the portal.
XJ was a great “get” for Woody - starting pg, avg 11+ ppg, over 4apg, 39% on 3’s, 77% Ft