Just ask him how the electors are chosen, in every state by a vote of the people. A vote of the people.
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Beyond George Orwell.
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My level of hackery elevates any discussion about that committee. As if the committee wasn’t lame enough the Democrats have decided to hire somebody to “inject excitement” into the proceedings. Good lord, I can’t even count the ways Pelosi and the Democrats have debased congress and the Capitol. .
Hackery is being distracted by this bs with all of the real problems going on. Wake up
It's not zero sum. Congress can deal with multiple things at one time.
The findings of the special committee need to be presented in a fashion that normal dumbasses like you and me and the guy on the street can understand. There's nothing wrong with making sure that's done most effectively. The last thing we need is someone putting out a Barr-like summary that stands the actual findings on their heads.
yeah, this partisan stuff it totes lame. I totally hate it when people have their minds made up about the outcome before they've even looked at the evidence that is turned up.
Oh for Pete’s sake. Congress has no duty or obligation to make dumbasses understand anything. It issues a report and if you can’t understand it I’m sure goat will post an explanation for you.
No. The electoral count and deciding objections are clear and unambiguous. The process is on auto pilot. All the demonstrations in the world can’t change it. The VP can’t change it. Mark still needs to read the constitution.
Oh my God, if that was Antifa or BLM, you'd say it was just a protest that got out of hand, which it was.
You're not fooling anyone with your faux outrage.
"patently unserious folks"
All you need to know about patently unserious folks is that Adam Schiff is on the committee. And the sniffling Adam Kinzinger.
Schiff is a brazen liar and you and the MSM 100% believed his lies he had the goods on the Russian Collusion hoax.
Talk about patently unserious folks.
Oh my God. We're not talking demonstrations here. We're talking Trump, Pence, John Eastman, Greg Jacob, etc. You're completely out of touch. There was a concerted effort by Team Trump to overturn the election. Pence finally grew a pair or we would have had a full blown constitutional crisis.
I guess you don't have faith in the Supreme Court? Because that's who would have decided one way or the other if Pence had tried to reject Electors.
Actually for Lincoln’s sake.
“that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth”
Any and every civil servant has a civic duty to serve the people. That includes communicating so that anybody can understand them. That civic duty is more basic than even the Constitution and it is surely more basic than your petty partisan perturbances.
I don't think congress can deal with one thing much less two, nor do I think the people on this prejudicial committee have the skill set to perform any meaningful investigation. At first blush I thought it was a joke that they were trying to find a writer, but it's not. The joke is Congress and the suckers are all of us who voted for them. Keep worrying about an election being overturned that never happened while chastising us not to worry about actual problems. And people wonder why Nov will be a bloodbath for the Dems....What's Congress' approval rating? 18 percent. Whatever the findings it'll make far lefties horny and the rest of the country won't give a shit. They'll wonder why we're still ****ing with this when groceries are through the roof. And there will be no consequence to any of it. Partisan garbage
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Oh my God!!!! Really?!!! It could have?!!! It would have?!!! It almost?!!!! Lol grow up. People have real issues.
We should ask Ginni Thomas. She seems pretty dialed in on that issue. 🤨
Then why is there not a ghost writer for everything that comes out of Congress?
The Dems have had an awful year in charge. They want a writer to spice this up in hopes of making a splash for midterms. What they don't get, in keeping with their year of not getting much, is that this is at the bottom of peoples' concerns, save those hyper partisans preoccupied with hatred for Trump. The Kinzinger/Cheney vendetta report. Instead of worrying about energy and the rest this has apparently been Cheney's thrust this year. Good grief - a real steward of our dollars and constituent interests. This report will fall on deaf ears because people care about real shit impacting them today - not a year and a half ago almost, coulda, woulda, bad Trump nonsense. We're watching babies being slaughtered in Ukraine. A madman lashing out at us. People are trying to figure out how the hell to pay their bills. Get to work. Not this nonsense.
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CoH is a partisan hack. Danc is a pathological liar with the maturity of a 12 year-old. You've gone from "Trump should be disqualified from ever holding public office again" in 2021, to "it's nothing but partisan hatred for Trump" and "none of it matters" in 2022.
You were correct in 2021. It matters. It's a big fvcking deal.
But now, with your conversion complete, you're in lockstep with the other two posters. In fact, you guys complement each other exceptionally well and would make a great team. It's about time for another Three Stooges reboot.
Real issues Trumped your partisan bs. Your obsession prevents you from seeing the forest for the trees. F Trump. I couldn't care less if he's disqualified. That doesn't bear on the worthlessness of the Jan 6 committee.
As for your remaining bit, I love that you think you're the arbiter of quality posting. I've read your thousands of hyper partisan inane posts with Danc. Let me clue you in - you're a moron. A hyper partisan moron worrying about the wrong shit. In Nov you'll wonder "Wow! We got killed. Why didn't that damning Jan 6 report turn more voters?" The answer will be the same as today. You. Are. Stupid. You worry about the wrong gotcha bs. Clueless. People don't care. They don't want tranny swimmers. They don't want a social welfare state. They don't care about Jan 6. Wake up. Eastman lmao. What a stupid shit you are. If you polled a thousand people one thousand would say they don't have a clue who Eastman is.
Gas and groceries... hell you have the Vid in another thread stating he's voting Republican. One of the most ardent Dems I've read on here. Don't pretend like you're some objective poster - you post partisan bullshit. Just totally out of touch
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You tell me. Relative importances? We can’t afford it? Sounds like a simple and useful idea to me.
As I’ve said before here, Slovenian law is simple for me, a foreigner, to read and understand. When I checked, the law on healthcare with some 50 pages. Slovenia has socialized medicine. It doesn’t take thousands of pages.
By the way, COH still hasn’t linked if/where he plagiarized his op from. So you and others are getting all worked up over possibly a bunch of partisan hack bullshit that he shoveled out of his own ass.
My money’s on COH being too embarrassed to show he Word-for-Word plagiarized this from somebody else.
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No I looked it up. It's real. What I read is that it may be a journalist they are hoping to retain. And I'm not worked up over it. The notion of having a writer to make the "work" of congress more readable/relatable isn't a terrible idea. I'm sure the typical writing is stilted as hell. I don't care if it's something they decide to routinely employ. It's in this particular circumstance that it's a transparent ploy to spice things up (which is probably euphemistic for sensationalize) in hopes of swaying midterm voters by distracting same. That this is where these people devote however many absurd hours Bowl listed interviewing people is worth getting worked up over. It's a dereliction of duty in the face of real issues we're facing that impact everyday people. No one knows who the f uck this Eastman guy is, nor cares, other than hyper partisan hacks. People are dealing with real shit. These congress people should be too.
As I said, only the most soupy of Jan 6 sentimentalists give a flying f*uck about January 6 in the face of all the real shit that happened. Not speculative coulda, almost, woulda, politically charged/biased vendettas
This iteration of the Dem party has zero common sense. Zero. Only delusional diehards like Bowl are staying on this sinking ship
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Right, I’m assuming the gist is true but I asked in simple terms for a link at the beginning of this thread and COH hasn’t provided it. He created a mystery sandwich and now I’m curious…
I agree with you that there is clearly an ulterior motive on the part of the Dems. What you’re leaving out of the reckoning is the extreme nature of the January 6 takeover of the capital building. I strongly disagree with you about the relative importance of things.
Of course people care more about day-to-day matters. Until someone actually does something treasonous. And until that happens we remain blithely complacent that it will never happen.
History tells us that blithe complacence ignores Hitler’s early warning signs. Repeated in Yugoslavia with Milosevic and his nationalistic Greater Serbia (make Serbia great again) and now with Putin. You blithely dismissed any future with Trump after the election, correct? But now we have Tucker Carlson. And Marjorie Taylor green at a gathering of nationalists chanting Putin Putin Putin. We have posters here parroting pro-Putin and other nationalist crap. And so on.
The most conspicuous yet overlooked historical truth about civilization is that democratic, free societies are the rarest of species, usually fragile and short-lived. Don’t take ours for granted.
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Every one of our institutions held. This is a transparent vendetta. Gas groceries schools and safety. That's what should have the undivided attention of every last rep. That it doesn't will lead to a Nov ass whoopin
1 people don't care outside of hyper partisans
2 the composition of the committee discredits it. Kinzinger is an unhinged whack job and Cheney oozes personal bitterness
No it’s not a terrible idea. But if a highly partisan congressional committee needs to hire a consultant to inject excitement or to tell its story in a compelling way, we have gone well beyond making the committee proceedings more readable/relatable. Congress spends gazillions on staffers, if the members of the committee can’t do the job, have staff do it. This is the committee engaging in marketing.
Colorado has laws against spending public funds on political messaging. I would assume other states do also. The committee has been an example of legalized official politicking from the beginning and bringing in an outside consultant to embellish committee’s work during an election year is an exclamation point to our corrupt congress.
You’re missing my point I think. I’m not arguing with any of that. Especially the ass whooping part. As others have said, I don’t think it’s a mutually exclusive proposition. Your take and COH’s OP betray blithe complacency about maintaining our free and democratic society. I’m making that point independent of your objections. My point does not refute your points.
it’s not about whether our institutions held. In fact there’s two things wrong with that statement of yours. First the capitol building did not hold.
Second and far more important is the growing movement in the United States openly trying to undermine our institutions. In the name of freedom and democracy! For example, freedom of the press. While it may be true that mainstream media has its shortcomings, what is the first thing Putin does when he takes fascist control of Russia? He wipes out all independent journalists.
The Jan 6 report, written by an outsider, perhaps from a good PR or advertising agency, will be a political ad that will make Bowl chubb up but will never be read by 99.9 percent of voters. Marge filling up at Hucks won't know a thing about it.
Dems are out of touch
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It held. Everything held. As for your hyper partisan claim about undermining institutions you're conveniently ignoring our administration's undermining of our judicial system. To the extent any of that is happening it's certainly a bipartisan issue
Hot air. What makes it hot air is the implication that politicians on both sides don’t do this anyway. Spin Doctors anyone?
The real question you should be asking is what do the writers add that our politicians don’t already do? Considering the elected politicians are clearly the best Spin Doctors around having gotten elected.
Saying the institutions “held“ mischaracterizes the issue. The Capitol was violated. The Capitol coul have been totally leveled and we would still have the institution of the electoral college vote tally. The institutions weren’t threatened and those who say they were are some combination of ignorant, dishonest, and partisan.
You remind me of another point I wanted to make. I’d say the number of voters who even know that the Committee is hiring these writers is asymptotic to zero.
November may bring an ass whooping for Democrats but it won’t because of COH’s pet peeve.
As far as I know I’m the only one talking about it and I’m not saying they were threatened. I’m saying the institutions underlying a free and democratic society are inherently fragile and short-lived historically speaking. The price of freedom is constant vigilance, constant willingness to fight back. Constant means constant.
Today, March 20, 2022, we are one fascist lunatic away from nuclear World War III. Something that might actually happen in your lifetime, my friend.
It'll be because Dems lost the plot. Animus and virtue-signaling will be trumped by things people care about. Gas, groceries, school curriculum, and safety.
Not Jan 6. Not letting Jane run cross country as Jim on the high school team. Not trying to get people to buy $60,000 electric cars on a $50,000 salary. We've been too fortunate. Buy a Tesla. Or you should get used to $4 gas. Good grief
Totally agree with you on that. January 6 is not my pet peeve From any angle. I’m with The Vid (didn’t read his post by the way). Though I lean slightly liberal on most issues I’m personally glad the Supreme Court is currently 6-3. And I’m more against the far left stranglehold on the Democratic Party than I am on the far right stranglehold on the Republican party.
Trump is a bad guy. Nothing surprises me with his untoward behavior. It's in the best interest of both parties that he be ousted. But only the most partisan fail to see Jan 6 for what it is.
Anyway enjoy the day. Great weather in the Midwest and unbelievable sports on today
There are higher mileage cars available, not just electric. I used to live near some of the post WW2 veteran's starter homes. Larger trucks aren't quite that size but if one were parked out front and you stood back and looked you would see very little of the home.
Not driving the biggest cars ever made and driving closer to 70 than 85 would conserve a lot of gas. But it is heretical to suggest that. We cannot share any blame on this, it is all someone else's fault. We should have gas cheap enough to fill up swimming pools and ignite it for fun.
I think people would be more receptive and cooperative than you think if our gov messaging wasn't so hypocritical and preachy and removed. Regardless gas prices at this level should occasion a switch to more economical cars
