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@Marvin the Martian @UncleMark


Um……..

Under the advice of attorneys, I cannot comment...

It is bizarre. The guy has been "missing" for a couple of weeks. IU began removing him from their website. According to bylaws, a tenured faculty member can't be fired without going before a certain board, which hasn't happened. So expect yet another no-confidence vote from this whenever we know what it is.

The Institute he leads is funded through NSF.

It is going to be interesting to see what happened. Making a guy disappear for two weeks, then raiding his homes (one in Bloomington and one in Carmel) and quietly removing his information from IU sounds like a suspense movie.
 
Under the advice of attorneys, I cannot comment...

It is bizarre. The guy has been "missing" for a couple of weeks. IU began removing him from their website. According to bylaws, a tenured faculty member can't be fired without going before a certain board, which hasn't happened. So expect yet another no-confidence vote from this whenever we know what it is.

The Institute he leads is funded through NSF.

It is going to be interesting to see what happened. Making a guy disappear for two weeks, then raiding his homes (one in Bloomington and one in Carmel) and quietly removing his information from IU sounds like a suspense movie.
Unfortunately, he sent this .gif out to faculty prior to St. Patty's day:

St Patricks Day Irish GIF by Adventure Communist
 
Wtf?

Is he a US citizen or on a visa?
No idea.

However, the author of the article notes he had spoken wtih him on three occasions for background on articles. Here are the articles.

Hmmmmm




One one journo but probably why he published the most recent article (eg. he had knowledge of professor's sudden disappearance).

Do with this what you will.
 
No idea.

However, the author of the article notes he had spoken wtih him on three occasions for background on articles. Here are the articles.

Hmmmmm




One one journo but probably why he published the most recent article (eg. he had knowledge of professor's sudden disappearance).

Do with this what you will.
Dude must have pissed off the Google and Apple billionaires.
 
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It appears IU received an anonymous report of "research misconduct", which appears to be leaving co-authors off of a grant proposal.

That doesn't seem to align well with an FBI investigation, his wife being fired, and an immediate termination. On the other hand, why would someone report him for a fairly minor research violation in the middle of a major criminal investigation? Would the FBI tell people at IU what they are looking into weeks in advance of the raid carried out at his home? That does not seem like operational security. Yet IU began removing him a couple of weeks before. If he was a notorious criminal, would that not give him plenty of time to destroy evidence?

 
It appears IU received an anonymous report of "research misconduct", which appears to be leaving co-authors off of a grant proposal.

That doesn't seem to align well with an FBI investigation, his wife being fired, and an immediate termination. On the other hand, why would someone report him for a fairly minor research violation in the middle of a major criminal investigation? Would the FBI tell people at IU what they are looking into weeks in advance of the raid carried out at his home? That does not seem like operational security. Yet IU began removing him a couple of weeks before. If he was a notorious criminal, would that not give him plenty of time to destroy evidence?

Could be two entirely separate things too.

Thanks for the update. My guess is either industrial or state sponsored espionage.
 
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Could be two entirely separate thing too.

Thanks for the update. My guess is either industrial or state sponsored espionage.
Two separate things makes sense albeit a bit coincidental. And it seems strange for IU to fire him for not listing co-authors without a hearing. Which gets back to the FBI telling IU why they were investigating which seems strange. The man is a cyber expert, it seems given 2 weeks he could destroy a lot of evidence against himself.

A couple of stories said his residency status is unknown, citizen or green card holder. That opens other possibilities. But if this is just a technical violation, moving without reporting it for example, this seems like very high profile overkill. I know there are reports of graduate students around the country being caught up in that, not reporting every move as a foreign national on a visa.
 
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Two separate things makes sense albeit a bit coincidental. And it seems strange for IU to fire him for not listing co-authors without a hearing. Which gets back to the FBI telling IU why they were investigating which seems strange. The man is a cyber expert, it seems given 2 weeks he could destroy a lot of evidence against himself.

A couple of stories said his residency status is unknown, citizen or green card holder. That opens other possibilities. But if this is just a technical violation, moving without reporting it for example, this seems like very high profile overkill. I know there are reports of graduate students around the country being caught up in that, not reporting every move as a foreign national on a visa.
It could be the same thing. One just in a criminal context. The other in an employment context. For example, a person could be charged with sexual assault and be fired for violating workplace sexual harassment rules.
 
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It appears IU received an anonymous report of "research misconduct", which appears to be leaving co-authors off of a grant proposal.

That doesn't seem to align well with an FBI investigation, his wife being fired, and an immediate termination. On the other hand, why would someone report him for a fairly minor research violation in the middle of a major criminal investigation? Would the FBI tell people at IU what they are looking into weeks in advance of the raid carried out at his home? That does not seem like operational security. Yet IU began removing him a couple of weeks before. If he was a notorious criminal, would that not give him plenty of time to destroy evidence?

I love tanford
 
It appears IU received an anonymous report of "research misconduct", which appears to be leaving co-authors off of a grant proposal.

That doesn't seem to align well with an FBI investigation, his wife being fired, and an immediate termination. On the other hand, why would someone report him for a fairly minor research violation in the middle of a major criminal investigation? Would the FBI tell people at IU what they are looking into weeks in advance of the raid carried out at his home? That does not seem like operational security. Yet IU began removing him a couple of weeks before. If he was a notorious criminal, would that not give him plenty of time to destroy evidence?

Tanford was one of the experts on the Exxon Valdez case analyzing voice recordings to see if that dude was drunk. Pretty neat
 
Tanford was one of the experts on the Exxon Valdez case analyzing voice recordings to see if that dude was drunk. Pretty neat
Bob and Tom had a great bit about the Exxon Valdez incident. I can't remember the whole skit, but they have the Captain of the Valdez say to his first mate or someone like that "Dammit schwabie, I said Tanquery on the rocks"....
 
It could be the same thing. One just in a criminal context. The other in an employment context. For example, a person could be charged with sexual assault and be fired for violating workplace sexual harassment rules.
FBI isn't coming out to investigate employment/sex assault/sexual harassment. They came, in all likelihood, because he was engaged in some sort of industrial espionage and maybe hacked into computer systems. At least he wasn't our offensive coordinator like Michigan did....
 
FBI isn't coming out to investigate employment/sex assault/sexual harassment. They came, in all likelihood, because he was engaged in some sort of industrial espionage and maybe hacked into computer systems. At least he wasn't our offensive coordinator like Michigan did....
I agree. I was just using that as an example. What the FBI might be investigating could also be a violation of the schools computer use policy.
 
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Bob and Tom had a great bit about the Exxon Valdez incident. I can't remember the whole skit, but they have the Captain of the Valdez say to his first mate or someone like that "Dammit schwabie, I said Tanquery on the rocks"....
He had one of my favorites. He goes yeah you can’t get too amped up about bar exams. I remember when I took it and the section was tax! I thought oh my. I didn’t know tax was on the bar. I’ve never taken anything to do with tax. But I took a deep breath and then just felt my way through it

Tax 🤣🤣🤣. He felt his way through it
 
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He had one of my favorites. He goes yeah you can’t get too amped up about bar exams. I remember when I took it and the section was tax! I thought oh my. I didn’t know tax was on the bar. I’ve never taken anything to do with tax. But I took a deep breath and then just felt my way through it

Tax 🤣🤣🤣. He felt his way through it
My favorite was when he said he had to take a swimming test in undergrad at Princeton. “I guess we had to do it in case we moved to Connecticut some time down the road”.
 
Grants are not publications and they don't have authors. You do have proposed "key personnel" and a named "contact Principal Investigator".

After a grant is awarded, on at least a yearly basis, the contact PI (the lab head) needs to itemize all expenses and effort. That's probably where he goofed up. For instance, saying that postdoc A spent 50% of his time working on the project and finding out that he didn't work on the project at all.

Not something I have heard anyone getting fired over, though. I would guess that it's two separate issues.
 
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Grants are not publications and they don't have authors. You do have proposed "key personnel" and a named "contact Principal Investigator".

After a grant is awarded, on at least a yearly basis, the contact PI (the lab head) needs to itemize all expenses and effort. That's probably where he goofed up. For instance, saying that postdoc A spent 50% of his time working on the project and finding out that he didn't work on the project at all.

Not something I have heard anyone getting fired over, though. I would guess that it's two separate issues.
That IU is mum at the FBI’s request tells me this guy is a traitor. Goes far beyond his tenure and professional status in the international arena.

IU risks a serious lawsuit otherwise.
 
That IU is mum at the FBI’s request tells me this guy is a traitor. Goes far beyond his tenure and professional status in the international arena.

IU risks a serious lawsuit otherwise.

I think that is the obvious inference. I see a quote from the lawyer that his client is "safe" and does not face charges. Of course, that second item can change at any moment. I also saw, but can't find it, that he had a grant or some other income from the PRC that was not disclosed, and that may be the basis for IU's involvement (not necessarily the FBI).
 
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In recent years universities has cracked down on professors who are at a US University and supported by US grants, while they also have a secret faculty appointment in their country of origin. Some profs have used this to funnel US-funded research to PRC, for example.
 
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Hmmmm. You know Fred cate at iu is one of the leading cyber security guys in the country…from Stanford….

Warrants are judges discretion. Compromise investigation etc bunch of factors
I have heard Fred speak at a couple of conferences and in media. I am pretty sure I've heard the guy under investigation speak as well.
 
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Senator Banks was asked by a just fired federal worker if he and Congress were going to do something to stop the indiscriminate and illegal firings of federal workers. Banks, knowing nothing about the guy, said, “you probably deserved it.”
 
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Senator Banks was asked by a just fired federal worker if he and Congress was going to do something to stop the indiscriminate and illegal firings of federal workers. Banks, knowing nothing about the guy, said, “you probably deserved it.”
Indiana's republican congressional delegation is the Epitome of TDS.
 
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