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Anybody calling for CAMs Head...

Is a moron. Yep! This team is far behind the curve and has lost all confidence. We pretty much suck right now. But to be calling for CAM to go is pure stupidity.

He shouldn’t be fired.

Last years team wasn’t well coached. This years is poorly coached, woefully so.

My biggest disappointment is that he’s wasting the one year he gets with Romeo.
 
Its pretty sad we get shut down inside, no slashers, no screens, no movement. We get stagnant. If someone rolls into the paint they get double or tripled and there is no interior passing or movement or screens to create inside. We make horrible passes because we trap ourselves and then turnovers

DeRon 4 minutes wtf???

If this is the offense he’s married to he might as well just leave now. It’s a joke.
 
Do the people on here forget the beatings we took in the last 5-6 of Knight's tenure???? By 50 at Minnesota, by 20 to Colorado in the 1st round, by 34 to UCONN in Alaska, by 34 to Kentucky, by 48 at Michigan, and by 20 to Pepperdine....this fan base needs to get a grip and a reality check. Has the team hit a rough stretch and lost confidence, yes; but that doesn't mean the sky is falling
 
No because Duke wasn’t a blue blood before K. I would fire Archie if we were Wisconsin or Michigan.

Wake up man, this isn't the 80's anymore. We are not an elite program right now and never were under Crean. Archie didn't take over in 1988.
 
And what would all of you done if Bennett had led IU as number one seed to a historic first - first 1 beat by 16?

Sleep easy confident in the knowledge that we will be successful in future seasons because we are a well-coached team who plays the right way. Did you lose all hope when RMK lost to Richmond?
 
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And what would all of you done if Bennett had led IU as number one seed to a historic first - first 1 beat by 16?
Crean’s loss to Syracuse was the end of him for many IU fans...
A Syracuse team that did very well that season in the tournament.

People point to Archie winning his conference twice, while dismissing Crean winning the BIG TEN and being COY.

Im not advocating for Crean - but question the dismissal of Creans accomplishments while pointing to lesser for Archie. This seems to happen frequently with most IU bb issues.

They claim - Crean sucks and cant recruit...Archie brought in Fitzner and Damezi that cant get on the court...Crean blasted...Archie gets a pass...
 
Do the people on here forget the beatings we took in the last 5-6 of Knight's tenure???? By 50 at Minnesota, by 20 to Colorado in the 1st round, by 34 to UCONN in Alaska, by 34 to Kentucky, by 48 at Michigan, and by 20 to Pepperdine....this fan base needs to get a grip and a reality check. Has the team hit a rough stretch and lost confidence, yes; but that doesn't mean the sky is falling

Oh, please. The anti-RMK brigade always trots out this crap. Do I honestly think Archie should be fired yet? No, absolutely not. But any real fan would absolutely prefer RMK’s last 5-6 years any day over the current shitshow. I don’t even know what your point is here.
 
Crean’s loss to Syracuse was the end of him for many IU fans...
A Syracuse team that did very well that season in the tournament.

People point to Archie winning his conference twice, while dismissing Crean winning the BIG TEN and being COY.

Im not advocating for Crean - but question the dismissal of Creans accomplishments while pointing to lesser for Archie. This seems to happen frequently with most IU bb issues.

They claim - Crean sucks and cant recruit...Archie brought in Fitzner and Damezi that cant get on the court...Crean blasted...Archie gets a pass...

Do you watch the games? Do you understand basketball? Sometimes incompetent coaches win and better coaches lose.
 
Oh, please. The anti-RMK brigade always trots out this crap. Do I honestly think Archie should be fired yet? No, absolutely not. But any real fan would absolutely prefer RMK’s last 5-6 years any day over the current shitshow. I don’t even know what your point is here.

The point is that people who want Archie fired, because they believe that it would never happen under Knight have their head in the sand. By the way, I am not anti-Knight, I just want people to remember it wasn't all roses and wine after 93
 
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The point is that people who want Archie fired, because they believe that it would never happen under Knight have their head in the sand. By the way, I am not anti-Knight, I just want people to remember it wasn't all roses and wine after 93

Those last few seasons keep looking better with each passing year. A testament to RMK...
 
Do the people on here forget the beatings we took in the last 5-6 of Knight's tenure???? By 50 at Minnesota, by 20 to Colorado in the 1st round, by 34 to UCONN in Alaska, by 34 to Kentucky, by 48 at Michigan, and by 20 to Pepperdine....this fan base needs to get a grip and a reality check. Has the team hit a rough stretch and lost confidence, yes; but that doesn't mean the sky is falling

One coach had a whole bunch of equity built up and one is just a season and a half into a less than impressive tenure.

Silly comparison.
 
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Here are some facts for you on Dayton prior to Archie:

*4 tourney apperances in 24 years prior to him being there. He goes 4 years in a row, starting in his 3rd year.

*Hadn't been to a S16 for 30 years, Arch went there and beyond in 2 years in a row.

*Gregory won the A10 once in his 8 years, his very first season taking over from Purnell.
After that he finished 7th or worse in 5 of the next 7 seasons. He was a awful, and only made the tourney one other time after his first year. If you think he was good or had that program in a good place, I don't know what to tell you. It was bad.

Archie wins the conf 2 years in row prior to coming to IU.

Archie took that program to a level it hadn't seen since the Don Dohoner years of the early 80s.

You are literally clueless.

Just stop with the facts. You're making a couple sniveling children look bad. CAM will get plenty of time to recruit and play the kids he deems necessary to win. After 4-5 years we can then make the decision on his coaching prowess. Calling for his head now just shows how clueless some are coaching wise. He has not had a full compliment of players all season with injuries and even at that too many are TC hold overs not worthy of an IU scholarship. Let him get his own kids in place and then decide.
 
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After a lackluster season last year, the team has clearly regressed this year. And that’s on Archie.

Does that mean he should be fired? No. But it does mean that he has to acknowledge it, own it, and fix it. If he’s unable to do that, then of course his seat will get hot....as well it should.

If not, then being chronically mediocre isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.
Do you not think that this team would look dramatically different if CAM had JH, JF, RT and DD at full strength and able to play????
 
At a minimum you have to fire the person who oversaw this mess. Archie will get a couple more seasons but the moron who let this downfall happen should no longer be employed by Indiana University.
 
And if you were UK’s AD you’d still have Billy Gillispie.

Or with your logic at UNC you’d still have Matt Doherty.

Sounds logical.
Doherty got 3 years, and BCG was let go early because he kept getting OVWI's. You really are an open your mouth and remove all doubt that you are a fool kind of person.
 
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Just stop with the facts. You're making a couple sniveling children look bad. CAM will get plenty of time to recruit and play the kids he deems necessary to win. After 4-5 years we can then make the decision on his coaching prowess. Calling for his head now just shows how clueless some are coaching wise. He has not had a full compliment of players all season with injuries and even at that too many are TC hold overs not worthy of an IU scholarship. Let him get his own kids in place and then decide.

Just silly.......the built-in excuse to “get his own guys.” That shit gets thrown around way too much. No accountability for a coach to develop what he’s got?

Plenty of coaches inherit teams. It happens also that many coaches develop and improve those provided to them.

Complete cop out.
You cannot get players to improve in 2 seasons? You shouldn’t be coaching.
 
There are like 4-5 retrograde morons on here that seem to be fully erect now that IU has gone on a 4 game slump. It's very bizarre behavior.

If one reviews Archie's record at Dayton they would see it took until about a month of conference play of his 3rd season before that program really turned the corner....and then it was consistent winning/improvement from then forward through his 6th season.

I expect we are looking at a similar trajectory and timeline here. If by year 4 or 5 we are still struggling, then it would be time for a reasonable debate.

Until then, it's just noise. We all know he will be here at least that long.
Think hard and maybe you'll see a difference.



If Allen had a history of taking a mediocre program and turning it into a a multiple conference winner and perennial post-season contender, I'd give him a much longer leash.

Archie had fkn Dayton in the tourney 4 straight seasons (and in the 2nd weekend twice) before coming here....something IU (a supposed blue blood) hasn't managed for two decades. He deserves a chance to let it play out over a full recruiting cycle. .

I've mentioned several times, Beilien didn't start winning consistently at Michigan until his 5th year. He was so bad even Crean continually beat him. Now everyone thinks he's one of the best in the business.

I didn't throw in the towel on Crean until his 6th year. And then I fully threw it in and called for his head for years. I'll do the same with Archie by his 5th year if there hasn't been consistent winning at the level we all want. I'm just realistic when watching how BB programs are built. Cal @ UK ruined fan expectations by bringing in 4 or 5 Romeo level players right from year 1.
I’m not an advocate of doom right yet, but if a year from now we go through another stretch like this with uninspired play, poor player fundamentals, and an a lackluster offense system, then change at the top will be hard to stop.
 
Do you not think that this team would look dramatically different if CAM had JH, JF, RT and DD at full strength and able to play????

I really don’t know. Maybe.

But I do know that their absences/conditions don’t explain or excuse some of the things plaguing the team. And I’ve been voicing concern about these things long before this 4 game skid....and some people here responded by saying that I should’ve been glad we were winning.

But it was easy to tell we were going to struggle in conference play if we didn’t vastly improve some of those things. We didn’t...and so struggling we are.
 
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Just silly.......the built-in excuse to “get his own guys.” That shit gets thrown around way too much. No accountability for a coach to develop what he’s got?

Plenty of coaches inherit teams. It happens also that many coaches develop and improve those provided to them.

Complete cop out.
You cannot get players to improve in 2 seasons? You shouldn’t be coaching.

Just your inability to see players have improved shows how silly your whining really is. Crying like a little biotch on here daily will not change the fact CAM will get his chance to prove you or me wrong. He was hired to build a winning program just like many others have done and he will get the time to prove he can or can't. Quit your sniveling. We know how you feel. Move on.
 
Crean’s loss to Syracuse was the end of him for many IU fans...
A Syracuse team that did very well that season in the tournament.

People point to Archie winning his conference twice, while dismissing Crean winning the BIG TEN and being COY.

Im not advocating for Crean - but question the dismissal of Creans accomplishments while pointing to lesser for Archie. This seems to happen frequently with most IU bb issues.

They claim - Crean sucks and cant recruit...Archie brought in Fitzner and Damezi that cant get on the court...Crean blasted...Archie gets a pass...
I was Crean’s biggest critic for 7 years, but he was better than Archie. Not even close. Crean’s teams always played hard.
 
Just stop with the facts. You're making a couple sniveling children look bad. CAM will get plenty of time to recruit and play the kids he deems necessary to win. After 4-5 years we can then make the decision on his coaching prowess. Calling for his head now just shows how clueless some are coaching wise. He has not had a full compliment of players all season with injuries and even at that too many are TC hold overs not worthy of an IU scholarship. Let him get his own kids in place and then decide.
Only 3 players on this team ever played a game for Tom Crean. It’s a ridiculous excuse to blame Crean for these players.
 
not even when we started playing defense, got Romeo and a bunch of good players, got ranked for the first time in a year and a half? none of that moved the needle.

jesus, you guys aren't even good at crying
unfortunately, both nebraska and purdue played far better defense than we did. if i never see another dribble handoff it will be too soon.
 
Here are some facts for you on Dayton prior to Archie:

*4 tourney apperances in 24 years prior to him being there. He goes 4 years in a row, starting in his 3rd year.

*Hadn't been to a S16 for 30 years, Arch went there and beyond in 2 years in a row.

*Gregory won the A10 once in his 8 years, his very first season taking over from Purnell.
After that he finished 7th or worse in 5 of the next 7 seasons. He was a awful, and only made the tourney one other time after his first year. If you think he was good or had that program in a good place, I don't know what to tell you. It was bad.

Archie wins the conf 2 years in row prior to coming to IU.

Archie took that program to a level it hadn't seen since the Don Dohoner years of the early 80s.

You are literally clueless.
right
 
Just your inability to see players have improved shows how silly your whining really is. Crying like a little biotch on here daily will not change the fact CAM will get his chance to prove you or me wrong. He was hired to build a winning program just like many others have done and he will get the time to prove he can or can't. Quit your sniveling. We know how you feel. Move on.

Exactly which players have improved?
Can you enlighten me?
 
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No because Duke wasn’t a blue blood before K. I would fire Archie if we were Wisconsin or Michigan.
Dude you have been proven wrong about Duke before since people have shown that Duke has finished in the A top 10 more than any other team starting in the 50s. Also Duke was in the championship game a couple of years before coach K got there.
 
Same exact things were said about Crean.

If you can’t notice his teams come out flat and play uninspired I can’t help you.

If you can’t see his offense is stagnant and never takes advantage of mismatches I can’t help you.

If you can’t see the lack of adjustments, no out of bounds sets, questionable substitutions...again, no one can help you.

Some of us know better. Calling us morons is incredibly ironic.
Coach Dunning Kruger speaks from his pedestal of pure self inflicted ignorance.
 
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Only 3 players on this team ever played a game for Tom Crean. It’s a ridiculous excuse to blame Crean for these players.

Not if you look at minutes. Only Phin and Ro are high minute guys recruited by Archie. The only arguable exception is Fitzner.

If Franklin is as good as Phinisee, and Hunter and TJD are as good as advertised, there will be a surge in Miller recruited players in the rotation next year.
 
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I was Crean’s biggest critic for 7 years, but he was better than Archie. Not even close. Crean’s teams always played hard.

It took Crean 4 combined seasons to add up more Big Ten wins as Miller has in 1.5.

And the funny thing about it, Crean got to the ideal spot with talent and experience then pissed it all away with terrible decision making in every aspect.

Geez louise, how would Fran McCaffrey do with Hulls, Watford, Zeller, Oladipo, Creek, Sheehey and Yogi all on one team? How about Chris Collins?
 
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Not if you look at minutes. Only Phin and Ro are high minute guys recruited by Archie. The only arguable exception is Fitzner.

If Franklin is as good as Phinisee, and Hunter and TJD are as good as advertised, there will be a surge in Miller recruited players in the rotation next year.
Smith and Durham didn’t play a single second with Crean. They’ve been with Archie since day 1.
 
It took Crean 4 combined seasons to add up more Big Ten wins as Miller has in 1.5.

And the funny thing about it, Crean got to the ideal spot with talent and experience then pissed it all away with terrible decision making in every aspect.

Geez louise, how would Fran McCaffrey do with Hulls, Watford, Zeller, Oladipo, Creek, Sheehey and Yogi all on one team? How about Chris Collins?

In all fairness, Crean came in to a situation where he had 2 guys on the roster from the Sampson era and one was a walk-on. That doesn’t excuse his lousy performances after year #4 but of course it would take him longer to get wins.
 
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If you can’t see the lack of adjustments,
This should be fun .. vbg .. hey @twenty watch this .. this dude is a complete joke.

So, tell us about "adjustments" .. using examples and some detail. Let's start with something real simple. The way we guarded the high ball screen. What went wrong and what should IU have done. And please note which plays were a player mistake vs a coaching strategy mistake..

Coach Dunning Kruger, you are now in the spotlight..........
 
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