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Another M$U Administrator Bagged

how much different is MSU and PSU?

just coincidence the similarities in management and culture of 2 B10 schools?

or is there possibly something seriously wrong with the priorities of, and how we pick those leading, our state universities?
 
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Michigan State University needs to clean house in their athletic program that covered up sexual assault by coaches or athletes in gymnastics, football, and basketball. Izzo needs to be fired for covering up sexual assault by players on his team.
 
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Michigan State University needs to clean house in their athletic program that covered up sexual assault by coaches or athletes in gymnastics, football, and basketball. Izzo needs to be fired for covering up sexual assault by players on his team.
Izzo is clearly hiding out and waiting for things to die down. He's a successful major basketball coach. He's insanely popular in his home state. He'll survive this, without any new accusations being raised.
 
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Not only are they a nest of scumbags..., they double downed by on things by doing this: https://www.lansingstatejournal.com...dia-accounts-nassar-victims-others/447378002/

MSU was so outraged by everything that they extended Dantonio’s contract.

And, why on earth do you hire a PR group to essentially surf the net at $600 per hour? Hell, you could probably hire a couple of 20-something’s who could probably come up with just as much intell.

Seems like a colossal waste of money.
I always get a kick out of these ad agencies and search firms who take home hundreds of thousands of $$$ and come up with a terrible result.
 
MSU was so outraged by everything that they extended Dantonio’s contract.

And, why on earth do you hire a PR group to essentially surf the net at $600 per hour? Hell, you could probably hire a couple of 20-something’s who could probably come up with just as much intell.

Seems like a colossal waste of money.
I always get a kick out of these ad agencies and search firms who take home hundreds of thousands of $$$ and come up with a terrible result.
MSU has a ton of trouble and Izzo and Dantonio aren’t perfect, but they aren’t implicated in any wrongdoing and they have nothing to do with the Nasser stuff. Anyone aiming at them isn’t focused on the real problems there.
 
MSU Football and MSU Basketball both had players with sexual assault charges and still were allowed to play. Yes both programs are in deep trouble. Izzo is laying low hoping his success or popularity helps him keep his job. Izzo has current player with a sexual assault charge I believe. If more comes out he can't sweep it under the rug again with all the current MSU trouble.
 
MSU Football and MSU Basketball both had players with sexual assault charges and still were allowed to play. Yes both programs are in deep trouble. Izzo is laying low hoping his success or popularity helps him keep his job. Izzo has current player with a sexual assault charge I believe. If more comes out he can't sweep it under the rug again with all the current MSU trouble.
Better get a better handle on the facts as what you’ve outlined isn’t accurate.
 
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Better get a better handle on the facts as what you’ve outlined isn’t accurate.

They do have a walk on that was at least being investigated during the year, do not think he was/has been charged, but have to admit, not a good look when he was still on roster while being investigated when Izzo continues to claim he is praying for the victims!!
 
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They do have a walk on that was at least being investigated during the year, do not think he was/has been charged, but have to admit, not a good look when he was still on roster while being investigated when Izzo continues to claim he is praying for the victims!!
Not aware of that, but what the poster stated wasn’t accurate. MSU has big issues with Nasser, but Izzo and Dantonio aren’t the problem up there.
 
Ah, 2 MSU basketball players raped a girl in her dorm room. How do we know? Payne admitted to it in a police report. Why didn’t anything happen to them? Go ask Tom Izzo....
He was never prosecuted for that so, no, he didn’t admit that he raped her. But that is the job of a prosecutor, not a head coach.

Edit: Here is a piece from Joe Rexrode that shows the complexity of this matter and how black and white conclusions are rarely accurate.

https://amp.tennessean.com/amp/300122002
 
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He was never prosecuted for that so, no, he didn’t admit that he raped her. But that is the job of a prosecutor, not a head coach.

Edit: Here is a piece from Joe Rexrode that shows the complexity of this matter and how black and white conclusions are rarely accurate.

https://amp.tennessean.com/amp/300122002

According to a police report, Payne told officers that he could “understand how she would feel that she was not free to leave.” Payne was concerned about her reaction to the circumstances and had even asked Appling to apologize to her, the report stated.

If it was your daughter, how would you feel?

That article you linked is nothing but a former MSU student giving his opinion that amounted to him trying to make the reader feel like Izzo somehow did the right thing.

Izzo is a scum bag....

They weren’t prosecuted because they were MSU basketball players.

Go watch the Payne interview on YouTube.

The fact you are even attempting to defend Payne and Appling tells me all I need to know. Both of them have been fired and banished from basketball in this country. I wonder why......
 
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He was never prosecuted for that so, no, he didn’t admit that he raped her. But that is the job of a prosecutor, not a head coach.

Edit: Here is a piece from Joe Rexrode that shows the complexity of this matter and how black and white conclusions are rarely accurate.

https://amp.tennessean.com/amp/300122002

Taking the side of admitted sexual assaulters, not a good look, but in line with your history across multiple handles...
 
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According to a police report, Payne told officers that he could “understand how she would feel that she was not free to leave.” Payne was concerned about her reaction to the circumstances and had even asked Appling to apologize to her, the report stated.

If it was your daughter, how would you feel?

That article you linked is nothing but a former MSU student giving his opinion that amounted to him trying to make the reader feel like Izzo somehow did the right thing.

Izzo is a scum bag....

They weren’t prosecuted because they were MSU basketball players.

Go watch the Payne interview on YouTube.

The fact you are even attempting to defend Payne and Appling tells me all I need to know. Both of them have been fired and banished from basketball in this country. I wonder why......
Rexrode is a respected journalist. And I notice you didn't bother to read the article which clearly states who the prosecutor was and who decided not to prosecute. That pesky legal system . . . And saying they weren't prosecuted because they were MSU athletes is something I'm sure you can prove. Please link it.
 
Taking the side of admitted sexual assaulters, not a good look, but in line with your history across multiple handles...
They aren't admitted sexual "assaulters". By the way, were you up in arms about this several years ago, when it was widely reported, or did you just care about it recently?
 
Travis Walton took a plea bargain on his assult case to have it lowered to a littering charge. It was some kind of deal that was made.

Then later he shows up on the police blotter again, I believe for a sex crime but it's been six months since I saw ESPN'S report.

Dantoni, after ESPN sued the university twice to release the documents (in which 90% we're blacked out like Nixon and Watergate) it came to light that there were a boatload of sex crimes, particularly gang rapes while he was coach.

Then when one went public recently he stands up at the podium and says it was the first time something like that has happened.

Um no, you're a lying piece of s#$t and have been busted.

There's video of a testimony of a football player talking about how the players would brag about what girl they 'ran a train on'. If it was concensual then whatever, but it's coming out that they weren't. It was a pattern.

How about the mother of one of the women who was gang raped and the procecuters basically said it was best to keep quiet because they wouldn't be able to handle the pressure from the University and it's 'fans' if she went after the football program.

That's exactly what they told the women who wanted to press charges against Nasser.

Exactly the same thing they told the boys of Sandusky.

That girl was told to drop it. She quit school and later killed herself. Her parents found her diary naming all the players that raped her. Nothing happened with it. The mother said that she knows where everyone is at now and she wants them all dead.

MSU is led by cowardly piece of s$#ts. They should all be in jail.

Izzo and Dantoni deserve to go out like Joe Pa...and die like him. Broken and ashamed.
 
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Travis Walton took a plea bargain on his assult case to have it lowered to a littering charge. It was some kind of deal that was made.

Then later he shows up on the police blotter again, I believe for a sex crime but it's been six months since I saw ESPN'S report.

Dantoni, after ESPN sued the university twice to release the documents (in which 90% we're blacked out like Nixon and Watergate) it came to light that there were a boatload of sex crimes, particularly gang rapes while he was coach.

Then when one went public recently he stands up at the podium and says it was the first time something like that has happened.

Um no, you're a lying piece of s#$t and have been busted.

There's video of a testimony of a football player talking about how the players would brag about what girl they 'ran a train on'. If it was concensual then whatever, but it's coming out that they weren't. It was a pattern.

How about the mother of one of the women who was gang raped and the procecuters basically said it was best to keep quiet because they wouldn't be able to handle the pressure from the University and it's 'fans' if she went after the football program.

That's exactly what they told the women who wanted to press charges against Nasser.

Exactly the same thing they told the boys of Sandusky.

That girl was told to drop it. She quit school and later killed herself. Her parents found her diary naming all the players that raped her. Nothing happened with it. The mother said that she knows where everyone is at now and she wants them all dead.

MSU is led by cowardly piece of s$#ts. They should all be in jail.

Izzo and Dantoni deserve to go out like Joe Pa...and die like him. Broken and ashamed.
First of all, it's Dantonio, not Dantoni. And secondly, please post links that provide proof for everything you've stated. It should be easy. Thanks.
 
First of all, it's Dantonio, not Dantoni. And secondly, please post links that provide proof for everything you've stated. It should be easy. Thanks.

His name is Scumbag.

Go to your cable's on demand, ESPN's outside the lines, Spartan Silence.

Keep supporting athletic privilege. Hope your daughter or sister wasn't the one who got a train ran on her this weekend.

Sorry for being a dick but imI sick and f#$king tired of athletic privilege and those that enable it. Being a star athlete doesn't give you the right to be a jackass much less a sex predator.
 
Rexrode is a respected journalist. And I notice you didn't bother to read the article which clearly states who the prosecutor was and who decided not to prosecute. That pesky legal system . . . And saying they weren't prosecuted because they were MSU athletes is something I'm sure you can prove. Please link it.

Rexrode who? The biggest thing to his name is he covered the 2012 Olympics? But what’s more important is he covered MSU sports for 13 years and graduated from there. I wonder what he thinks....

Yeah, the legal system is a 100% pure system that has never had incidents of corruption.

And you didn’t watch the Payne interview.

Your hero Izzo is scum.....
 
His name is Scumbag.

Go to your cable's on demand, ESPN's outside the lines, Spartan Silence.

Keep supporting athletic privilege. Hope your daughter or sister wasn't the one who got a train ran on her this weekend.

Sorry for being a dick but imI sick and f#$king tired of athletic privilege and those that enable it. Being a star athlete doesn't give you the right to be a jackass much less a sex predator.
The ESPN report that's been widely discredited as having numerous inaccuracies? There must be something better than that.
 
Rexrode who? The biggest thing to his name is he covered the 2012 Olympics? But what’s more important is he covered MSU sports for 13 years and graduated from there. I wonder what he thinks....

Yeah, the legal system is a 100% pure system that has never had incidents of corruption.

And you didn’t watch the Payne interview.

Your hero Izzo is scum.....
I did watch it. It's disturbing but hardly conclusive in terms of rape. Please provide any support that they weren't charged because they were MSU athletes, or support that Izzo covered it up. Thanks.
 
I did watch it. It's disturbing but hardly conclusive in terms of rape. Please provide any support that they weren't charged because they were MSU athletes, or support that Izzo covered it up. Thanks.

Prove they weren’t prosecuted because they were MSU players.
 
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Prove they weren’t prosecuted because they were MSU players.
The burden of proof is always on the accuser, so please provide whatever proof you have. And Rexrode was pretty introspective on what he wrote. Clearly, it's a "he said, she said" case, and no one knows what occurred but the people in the room. That's why definitively saying they raped her and Izzo covered it up is so obviously dishonest.
 
He was never prosecuted for that so, no, he didn’t admit that he raped her. But that is the job of a prosecutor, not a head coach.

Edit: Here is a piece from Joe Rexrode that shows the complexity of this matter and how black and white conclusions are rarely accurate.

https://amp.tennessean.com/amp/300122002
Wow. Logic’s not really your thing, is it?

Here’s what your boy Izzo covered up:
Sexual Assault Allegations Against Two Michigan State Players: Why Aren't Charges Being Brought?

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Two MSU players were accused of sexually assaulting a woman on campus in August. Despite a police recommendation to prosecute, and one of the accused players later corroborating the victim's account, the prosecutor's office will not be pursuing the case.


The two players have not and will not be named, as long as they aren't charged with any crime. And it doesn't look like they ever will be, despite what looks to our untrained eyes like plenty of evidence to go forward.

The woman met the two at a dorm orientation meeting, she says in the police report. After a few drinks she returned to the players' room.

Once in the room, the three started playing basketball using a mini-hoop. When the victim missed a basket, one of the men told her she had to remove an article of clothing. The victim agreed and removed her t-shirt because she had a tank top on underneath.

At this point, the victim says, the players began to deliberately miss baskets until they were stripped "completely naked." One of the men allegedly blocked the doorway to the room, while the other "cornered" the victim in the room.

"[The victim] explained to [detectives] that the body language of [the players] suggested she was not free to leave," the report says. "[Redacted] was blocking any escape path to the exit of the dorm room. [The victim] stated that after [redacted] approached the door he turned the lights in the room off and the room went completely dark. At this point, the sexual assault began."

The victim told police the players penetrated her in various positions. The victim told detectives the players allegedly asked her "how does that feel?" and "how do you want it?" The victim says she told the players she didn't want it and gave "other indicators she was not a willing participant."

The victim told police that the players pinned her down, but at one point she freed her arms momentarily and struck one of the players in the face. The player was on top of her and in response to her hitting him, he allegedly said, "Don't. Just relax. C'mon," as he continued to assault her, the report says.

According to the Ingham County Prosecutor, charging a case like this "requires the element of force and/or coercion," and of the prosecutors who reviewed it, "none could find any of these necessary elements." It's almost like they didn't read the police report.

It gets worse: the MSU Police Department asked for and were granted a search warrant, and removed DNA evidence, clothing and used condoms from the players' room. They also interviewed one of the players (the other declined to speak).

He told investigators that when it was clear from the victim's statements that she did not want to have sex, he stopped. However, the other player continued "despite her reluctance and statements that she did not want to continue."

After all this, MSU Police forwarded their report to the prosecutor's office with a recommendation that the two players be charged with Criminal Sexual Conduct 1, the most serious level of assault.

Prosecutors say the decision not to bring charges was a mutual one, made with the victim's agreement. She denies this, though she admits to being wary of the backlash that inevitably hits anyone accusing athletes of sexual assault.

I worry about what would happen if it didn't go through and having to deal with all the publicity and everything that goes with pursuing charges," she said. "But also I am angry. It's just that everybody looks at them as heroes and they're so excited for basketball season that [the players] get off without anybody caring. They haven't even been punished."

Maybe not in a courtroom. But it's a matter of time before the rumor mill, the media, and public opinion put everyone involved through the wringer.
 
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The burden of proof is always on the accuser, so please provide whatever proof you have.

It never got to court.

And it wasn’t the victim’s decision.

I provided the Payne interview that you admitted was disturbing. That alone should have brought some charges. But not a single thing was done.....nothing.
 
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The ESPN report that's been widely discredited as having numerous inaccuracies? There must be something better than that.

Even if it was just 50% accurate it's still eye opening, but it's more than that.

Typical response is to try to discredit it, like say one of the people interviewed was a scorned ex employee or play dumb and lay blame elsewhere desperately searching for a scapegoat.

Never disputing the meat of what was provided. The confession tapes, the blacked out transcripts of testimony, the secretive behavior of the university.

Had the dumbass gymnastics coach actually listened and protected her player, then Nasser would have been exposed earlier and hundreds of female student athletes wouldn't have been molested.

Doesn't matter, you're obviously an MSU cronie and will deny til your blue in the face.

It's what cronie fans do when their precious entertainment is at risk.
 
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Even if it was just 50% accurate it's still eye opening, but it's more than that.

Typical response is to try to discredit it, like say one of the people interviewed was a scorned ex employee or play dumb and lay blame elsewhere desperately searching for a scapegoat.

Never disputing the meat of what was provided. The confession tapes, the blacked out transcripts of testimony, the secretive behavior of the university.

Had the dumbass gymnastics coach actually listened and protected her player, then Nasser would have been exposed earlier and hundreds of female student athletes wouldn't have been molested.

Doesn't matter, you're obviously an MSU cronie and will deny til your blue in the face.

It's what cronie fans do when their precious entertainment is at risk.
No, I'm just a believer that facts need to be credible and precise in matters such as this, and there's obviously plent of open territory in this matter. And we're you up in arms about this 7 seven years ago, when this was widely reported and something well known to anyone who followed Bog Ten sports?
 
It never got to court.

And it wasn’t the victim’s decision.

I provided the Payne interview that you admitted was disturbing. That alone should have brought some charges. But not a single thing was done.....nothing.
But you alleged they weren't prosecuted because they were MSU athletes, and I'd like to see what proof you have to support such a serious allegation. A UM grad prosecutor and two female prosecutors all declined to press charges because, in your view, they were MSU players. Can you prove that or not?
 
But you alleged they weren't prosecuted because they were MSU athletes, and I'd like to see what proof you have to support such a serious allegation. A UM grad prosecutor and two female prosecutors all declined to press charges because, in your view, they were MSU players. Can you prove that or not?

Can you prove me wrong? No, you can’t. Your whole argument is based on the fact there were no charges. You aren’t denying that they raped the girl, just that they weren’t prosecuted.

You aren’t arguing the crime didn’t happen. It did happen. And it doesn’t matter if they were prosecuted or not....Izzo should have done something. But he didn’t. Just like the rest of the MSU athletic department.

If you want to defend rapist, that’s up to you....
 
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No, I'm just a believer that facts need to be credible and precise in matters such as this, and there's obviously plent of open territory in this matter. And we're you up in arms about this 7 seven years ago, when this was widely reported and something well known to anyone who followed Bog Ten sports?

You mean ESPN, that little multi billion dollar programming company who covers stories around the world isn't a credible source.

The same little company that blew open the Nasser case.

We're they accurate on that one? Please tell me which stories are inaccurate so I have a better understanding of what is legit and what is some weird, gotcha fake news report for ratings.

Did ESPN go ''we need a good scandalous story to boost ratings. Who should we pick on. Hmmm how about poor ol MSU?'.

Let me guess, you Spartan warriors want to now distance yourself from Nasser? Where is the same, passionate BS defense for him? Oh, he admitted it. Why do I have absolutely no doubt that the same BS defense would come out and be used. None whatsoever.

ESPN 1, MSU apologists 0.

Hey I'm curious, where is that wrongfully accused patron saint and media victim Kieth Appling currently at these days. Oh, he's in jail? Huh well that's a shocker.

I'm sure he was wrongfully accused again. Poor victim.
 
Can you prove me wrong? No, you can’t. Your whole argument is based on the fact there were no charges. You aren’t denying that they raped the girl, just that they weren’t prosecuted.

You aren’t arguing the crime didn’t happen. It did happen. And it doesn’t matter if they were prosecuted or not....Izzo should have done something. But he didn’t. Just like the rest of the MSU athletic department.

If you want to defend rapist, that’s up to you....
You made an allegation that you can't back up. That's fact. Neither you nor I nor Izzo knows if a rape occurred. That's fact. A crime was never prosecuted due to the belief that either no crime occurred or that there was little chance of a conviction. That's fact. And none of this bothered you in the least even though it's been public knowledge for years. You only care about it because it allows you to make unsupported accusations at a prominent coach, allegations which you can't prove. That's fact.
 
You mean ESPN, that little multi billion dollar programming company who covers stories around the world isn't a credible source.

The same little company that blew open the Nasser case.

We're they accurate on that one? Please tell me which stories are inaccurate so I have a better understanding of what is legit and what is some weird, gotcha fake news report for ratings.

Did ESPN go ''we need a good scandalous story to boost ratings. Who should we pick on. Hmmm how about poor ol MSU?'.

Let me guess, you Spartan warriors want to now distance yourself from Nasser? Where is the same, passionate BS defense for him? Oh, he admitted it. Why do I have absolutely no doubt that the same BS defense would come out and be used. None whatsoever.

ESPN 1, MSU apologists 0.

Hey I'm curious, where is that wrongfully accused patron saint and media victim currently at these days. Oh, he's in jail? Huh well that's a shocker.

I'm sure he was wrongfully accused again. Poor victim.
ESPN didn't blow open the Nasser case, the Indianapolis Star did, so you obviously aren't that familiar with it. ESPN's report on MSU has been widely discredited for a number of factual errors, so yes their credibility is in question. Not long after the MSU piece, ESPN made the claim that Sean Miller orchestrated the "purchase" of a high profile recruit, and that there were FBI transcripts that prove he did via wiretapped phones. Then, they had to walk back a number of their allegations, since dates and other facts were shown to be inaccurate. So yeah, I'm not sure ESPN is the journalistic beacon you make them out to be.
 
ESPN didn't blow open the Nasser case, the Indianapolis Star did, so you obviously aren't that familiar with it. ESPN's report on MSU has been widely discredited for a number of factual errors, so yes their credibility is in question. Not long after the MSU piece, ESPN made the claim that Sean Miller orchestrated the "purchase" of a high profile recruit, and that there were FBI transcripts that prove he did via wiretapped phones. Then, they had to walk back a number of their allegations, since dates and other facts were shown to be inaccurate. So yeah, I'm not sure ESPN is the journalistic beacon you make them out to be.

Fair enough.

If the video testimony of Payne and the others were falsified, as was the written testimony, as was the accusations from MULTIPLE women over a long period of time some sort of drama made up by attention seeking sluts...then you might have a pillar to stand on.

That's an awful lot of what ifs needed to debunk.

Good luck with that.

I can't wait for Izzo's comments when the time is right. I'm sure he will since he's a man of great integrity.
 
You made an allegation that you can't back up. That's fact. Neither you nor I nor Izzo knows if a rape occurred. That's fact. A crime was never prosecuted due to the belief that either no crime occurred or that there was little chance of a conviction. That's fact. And none of this bothered you in the least even though it's been public knowledge for years. You only care about it because it allows you to make unsupported accusations at a prominent coach, allegations which you can't prove. That's fact.

Everyone knew about it then. And everyone knew nothing would happen because they were MSU players.

If you want to go around defending Payne and Appling (both have been fired and can’t find work in this country), go ahead. That’s your decision.

They forced a girl to stay in her dorm room (Payne admitted) and forced her to have sex. Payne told Appling to stop. That’s a fact because Payne admitted it.

You must be a pretty big Izzo fan or don’t have daughters.
 
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