Another FBI agent caught lying about a Republican

[DANC]

Don't worry - no penalty.

Ex-FBI Agent Admits to Crooked Action Against GOP Governor but Will Not Face Any Punishment

Of course.

thefederalistpapers.org

 

[76-1]

Don't worry - no penalty.

Ex-FBI Agent Admits to Crooked Action Against GOP Governor but Will Not Face Any Punishment

Of course.

thefederalistpapers.org

Just proves what I've been saying for quite awhile...: The FBI has simply become a Gestapo type arm of the Democratic National Committee...

It needs to be reorganized from the top down and purged of anyone who puts their allegiance to their political party above that of the Constitution, their country and justice...

The FBI leadership no longer protects the Constitution and our country..., they're a serious threat to it... 😡

 

[DANC]

Just proves what I've been saying for quite awhile...: The FBI has simply become a Gestapo type arm of the Democratic National Committee...

It needs to be reorganized from the top down and purged of anyone who puts their allegiance to their political party above that of the Constitution, their country and justice...

The FBI leadership no longer protects the Constitution and our country..., they're a serious threat to it... 😡

They sure don't seem interested in investigating Eric Swalwell, a member of the US House Intelligence Committee, who was banging a Chinese spy for months.

How many pre-dawn raids has the FBI conducted on Democrats?

 

[cosmickid]

Don't worry - no penalty.

Ex-FBI Agent Admits to Crooked Action Against GOP Governor but Will Not Face Any Punishment

Of course.

thefederalistpapers.org

I have no idea what that article is supposedly trying to say about Greitens guilt. But hs wife didn't divorce him because of a rogue FBI agent, and she didn't file abuse charges against him on behalf of her self AND her kids within the past 2 weeks over the "actions of a rogue FBI agent".

Sheena Greitens stands by allegations of abuse against her ex-husband • Missouri Independent

Former Missouri First Lady Sheena Greitens said Tuesday that she stands by her allegations against her ex-husband of physical abuse.

missouriindependent.com

And how you really know those charges are a lot more substantial than the article wants to admit- the GOP Senate Campaign is terrified over the prospect of Greitens winning the GOP nomination for Senate because they know that as backward as MO is, it isn't THAT backward and Greitens has no prayer of winning in a general election...

I personally think that the 5% or so of wingnuts that are supporting McCloskey should shift to Greitens and put him over the top as the GOP candidate. All of the general election polling shows every GOP candidate except for Greitens with a double digit lead against the Dems. On the other hand Greitens who is among the top 2 in GOP Primary polls, is the only GOP candidate who is either tied or trails in head to head matchups with a Dem in the general. Trump should endorse Greitens so Mitch has a coronary (figuratively)...

 

[DANC]

I have no idea what that article is supposedly trying to say about Greitens guilt. But hs wife didn't divorce him because of a rogue FBI agent, and she didn't file abuse charges against him on behalf of her self AND her kids within the past 2 weeks over the "actions of a rogue FBI agent".

Sheena Greitens stands by allegations of abuse against her ex-husband • Missouri Independent

Former Missouri First Lady Sheena Greitens said Tuesday that she stands by her allegations against her ex-husband of physical abuse.

missouriindependent.com

And how you really know those charges are a lot more substantial than the article wants to admit- the GOP Senate Campaign is terrified over the prospect of Greitens winning the GOP nomination for Senate because they know that as backward as MO is, it isn't THAT backward and Greitens has no prayer of winning in a general election...

I personally think that the 5% or so of wingnuts that are supporting McCloskey should shift to Greitens and put him over the top as the GOP candidate. All of the general election polling shows every GOP candidate except for Greitens with a double digit lead against the Dems. On the other hand Greitens who is among the top 2 in GOP Primary polls, is the only GOP candidate who is either tied or trails in head to head matchups with a Dem in the general. Trump should endorse Greitens so Mitch has a coronary (figuratively)...

An FBI agent is found guilty of lying and is not punished?

And you have no idea what the article is trying to say?

LMFAO!

 

[jet812]

An FBI agent is found guilty of lying and is not punished?

And you have no idea what the article is trying to say?

LMFAO!

The bot has no interest in truth or justice, just in forcing a divisive agenda.

 

[mcmurtry66]

An FBI agent is found guilty of lying and is not punished?

And you have no idea what the article is trying to say?

LMFAO!

Cosmic is as a stupid of a human as I've ever read. He has the temerity to write as "backward as MO is" where the cities are literally dying from Dems and elect people like Cori Bush. The Dems have destroyed the cities in this state through God awful mayors, reps, and prosecutors. Good grief what a clueless clown. There isn't a single "wingnut" as he calls them that isn't a marked improvement over the Dems.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I have no idea what that article is supposedly trying to say about Greitens guilt. But hs wife didn't divorce him because of a rogue FBI agent, and she didn't file abuse charges against him on behalf of her self AND her kids within the past 2 weeks over the "actions of a rogue FBI agent".

Sheena Greitens stands by allegations of abuse against her ex-husband • Missouri Independent

Former Missouri First Lady Sheena Greitens said Tuesday that she stands by her allegations against her ex-husband of physical abuse.

missouriindependent.com

And how you really know those charges are a lot more substantial than the article wants to admit- the GOP Senate Campaign is terrified over the prospect of Greitens winning the GOP nomination for Senate because they know that as backward as MO is, it isn't THAT backward and Greitens has no prayer of winning in a general election...

I personally think that the 5% or so of wingnuts that are supporting McCloskey should shift to Greitens and put him over the top as the GOP candidate. All of the general election polling shows every GOP candidate except for Greitens with a double digit lead against the Dems. On the other hand Greitens who is among the top 2 in GOP Primary polls, is the only GOP candidate who is either tied or trails in head to head matchups with a Dem in the general. Trump should endorse Greitens so Mitch has a coronary (figuratively)...

Stupid. Per usual. Great labels. Backward. Wingnut. Wrong on MO. What a stupid ass you are

 

[mcmurtry66]

The bot has no interest in truth or justice, just in forcing a divisive agenda.

He really is a far left wing bot. Or just a really stupid person

 

[CO. Hoosier]

But hs wife didn't divorce him because of a rogue FBI agent, and she didn't file abuse charges against him on behalf of her self AND her kids within the past 2 weeks over the "actions of a rogue FBI agent".

Right. A rogue FBI agent is more objective and less vindictive than a pissed off wife in a divorce case.

 

[mcmurtry66]

The bot has no interest in truth or justice, just in forcing a divisive agenda.

Schmitt will win MO. He sued every one of these school districts that pushed for remote learning and wearing masks into perpetuity. No one was wearing masks yet these goofy districts were still pushing it.

In the bombed out city with any luck Cori Bush will lose there. Unfortunately the residents of the city have been voting against their interests for 70 years

 

[bub-rub]

Cosmic is as a stupid of a human as I've ever read. He has the temerity to write as "backward as MO is" where the cities are literally dying from Dems and elect people like Cori Bush. The Dems have destroyed the cities in this state through God awful mayors, reps, and prosecutors. Good grief what a clueless clown. There isn't a single "wingnut" as he calls them that isn't a marked improvement over the Dems.

Eh — plenty of democrats were mayor when STL was on the rise and plenty of republicans were mayor as it declined. And your premise also assumes a dem/ rep from 7Oish years ago is the same person w the same views as now.

that every mayor now and forever will be a dem in St Louis is the symptom and not the disease….

suburbs killed STL city for a lot of reasons, some those being crime and schools, but suburbs also offered new houses w less maintenance, larger plots, and better layouts for “car culture”. Remember, whites started running from blacks long before neighborhoods finally went to shit.

no fan of political lines or any or that but Lincoln or FDR could be the next mayor of STL and it would still be a dying city.

the old “that state has a Republican gov and sucks” or “this city has a dem mayor and sucks” lines are tired.

STL has lost 400k residents in the 70 years. Cori Bush is not good at her job but no one who represents any or all of STL city will ever be good at their job again.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Right. A rogue FBI agent is more objective and less vindictive than a pissed off wife in a divorce case.

No one is more vindictive than a pissed off wife in a divorce. I seriously cannot believe he wrote "as backward as Mo is" when Dems have literally destroyed Stl. And he's clueless as ever. No Dem will win Senate. Schmitt will win. The Dems were insane here with their handling of schools and Schmitt surf every one of them. Hell out kids would still be in masks but for him

 

[mcmurtry66]

Eh — plenty of democrats were mayor when STL was on the rise and plenty of republicans were mayor as it declined. And your premise also assumes a dem/ rep from 7Oish years ago is the same person w the same views as now.

that every mayor now and forever will be a dem in St Louis is the symptom and not the disease….

suburbs killed STL city for a lot of reasons, some those being crime and schools, but suburbs also offered new houses w less maintenance, larger plots, and better layouts for “car culture”. Remember, whites started running from blacks long before neighborhoods finally went to shit.

no fan of political lines or any or that but Lincoln or FDR could be the next mayor of STL and it would still be a dying city.

the old “that state has a Republican gov and sucks” or “this city has a dem mayor and sucks” lines are tired.

STL has lost 400k residents in the 70 years. Cori Bush is not good at her job but no one who represents any or all of STL city will ever be good at their job again.

You are 100 percent wrong. Saint Louis hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1949. The 28 wards and BOA and mayor are a one party system. The Dems and only the Dems are to blame. I could write a public admin/urban planning book on this topic. when I did my master's thesis in public admin I devoted a significant portion to funding stadiums in Stl. Earnings tax. On and on. People went to the burbs to get away from the God awful city politics that gave rise to crime and poor schools. It's so bad they had to amend the residency rule to even get cops in the city. And today we have a Defund the Police rep. If memory serves you are young? I remember you from another thread trying to find a way out of crime stats. Make no mistake. Poor leadership is the reason Stl is awful. Nothing else. The same clueless woke politics we hear from the Squad guides this place. It's good to be an idealist; it's not good to be naïve. I went to high school in the city. Worked in the city. Worked in the hood in the city. Wrote about the city. Went to school with the leaders of the city. I know what's wrong with it. For Cosmic to call MO backwards and ignore what the Dems have done to it's cities is cosmically stupid.

 

[bub-rub]

You are 100 percent wrong. Saint Louis hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1949. The 28 wards and BOA and mayor are a one party system. The Dems and only the Dems are to blame. I could write a public admin/urban planning book on this topic. when I did my master's thesis in public admin I devoted a significant portion to funding stadiums in Stl. Earnings tax. On and on. People went to the burbs to get away from the God awful city politics that gave rise to crime and poor schools. It's so bad they had to amend the residency rule to even get cops in the city. And today we have a Defund the Police rep. If memory serves you are young? I remember you from another thread trying to find a way out of crime stats. Make no mistake. Poor leadership is the reason Stl is awful. Nothing else. The same clueless woke politics we hear from the Squad guides this place. It's good to be an idealist; it's not good to be naïve. I went to high school in the city. Worked in the city. Worked in the hood in the city. Wrote about the city. Went to school with the leaders of the city. I know what's wrong with it. For Cosmic to call MO backwards and ignore what the Dems have done to it's cities is cosmically stupid.

you wrote a school paper about the city earnings tax and stadium funding but consider dem STL city mayors since 1949 and squad members(?) to be the main culprits behind the city's demise and not things like US post-industrialization and the city/ county divide? huh? "going to the burbs to get away form the god awful city" doesn't explain what drove the change nor do a couple culture war talking points.

couldn't agree more that current leadership is smothering the patient but dems and republicans in the city, county, at state-level, set the stage for this for 150 years and have effed it up continuously since. resurrecting a rust belt city with a weird political line arbitrarily drawn through is is the real prob . why ignore that? oh ya, we don't get real debate in the STL, we get zip code tribalism....

with your views in mind, I gotta ask, what hs school full of future city fathers in St. Louis did you attend? I wasn't going to share my bio on an anonymous Indiana basketball internet board because of a silly debate about a dying city, but here you go: I own businesses that operate in the city and county. I also went to a school with people who went on to become city, county, and state-wide leaders in business, non-profs, education, and government. A couple spiritual leaders too (wild stuff). I am friends with these folks and I do business with these folks. I own property in the city and county, and other counties in the state. I'm deeply invested, time-wise and financially, in a local youth organization, an entrepreneurial program, and a national conservation non-prof. I have the good fortune being mostly retired at 47 via a great career (thanks IU!), some good early choices in real estate, and the primacy of US markets. we could live full-time lots of places but this is our town. I also know it. have also studied it. I have worked with and been friends with people who really know how the systems do and do not work. People who live, work, and own on both sides of Delmar. a real estate developer, cop, investment banker, city hall appointee, retail chain owner, teacher, lawyer: these are the dudes I hang out with and lean on. we're not yet sure yet how hate-jerking to AOC tweets or Mccloskey memes is moving the needle for St. Louis. please advise.

 

[Crayfish57]

Cosmic is as a stupid of a human as I've ever read. He has the temerity to write as "backward as MO is" where the cities are literally dying from Dems and elect people like Cori Bush. The Dems have destroyed the cities in this state through God awful mayors, reps, and prosecutors. Good grief what a clueless clown. There isn't a single "wingnut" as he calls them that isn't a marked improvement over the Dems.

You make me feel like Jimmy Carter after Obama and Biden

 

[mcmurtry66]

you wrote a school paper about the city earnings tax and stadium funding but consider dem STL city mayors since 1949 and squad members(?) to be the main culprits behind the city's demise and not things like US post-industrialization and the city/ county divide? huh? "going to the burbs to get away form the god awful city" doesn't explain what drove the change nor do a couple culture war talking points.

couldn't agree more that current leadership is smothering the patient but dems and republicans in the city, county, at state-level, set the stage for this for 150 years and have effed it up continuously since. resurrecting a rust belt city with a weird political line arbitrarily drawn through is is the real prob . why ignore that? oh ya, we don't get real debate in the STL, we get zip code tribalism....

with your views in mind, I gotta ask, what hs school full of future city fathers in St. Louis did you attend? I wasn't going to share my bio on an anonymous Indiana basketball internet board because of a silly debate about a dying city, but here you go: I own businesses that operate in the city and county. I also went to a school with people who went on to become city, county, and state-wide leaders in business, non-profs, education, and government. A couple spiritual leaders too (wild stuff). I am friends with these folks and I do business with these folks. I own property in the city and county, and other counties in the state. I'm deeply invested, time-wise and financially, in a local youth organization, an entrepreneurial program, and a national conservation non-prof. I have the good fortune being mostly retired at 47 via a great career (thanks IU!), some good early choices in real estate, and the primacy of US markets. we could live full-time lots of places but this is our town. I also know it. have also studied it. I have worked with and been friends with people who really know how the systems do and do not work. People who live, work, and own on both sides of Delmar. a real estate developer, cop, investment banker, city hall appointee, retail chain owner, teacher, lawyer: these are the dudes I hang out with and lean on. we're not yet sure yet how hate-jerking to AOC tweets or Mccloskey memes is moving the needle for St. Louis. please advise.

This isn't the proper forum to debate something that really only interests the two of us. I of course agree that the city's failure to annex so many of the munis contributes greatly to its ongoing problems. But it's not THE problem with the city. It's a problem. Nor is post industrialization THE problem. The City of Stl has had dem mayors since 1949. At times all 28 BOA have been Dems. Poor leadership from Dems running the city is the largest problem. You keep throwing in Republicans. This is a one party City and has been for 70 years. There are no Republicans involved in City politics. Why you wrote plenty of Republicans were mayor when it declined in your earlier post is way off. There hasn't been one in 70 years.

Pointing to a decline in manufacturing and off-shoring is excusing derelict leadership and viewing our city in a vacuum. These economic ills haven't afflicted Stl anymore than Chicago, or Boston, or New York, or countless other cities, which all had stronger comebacks than Stl. Hell we were/are a hub for so many of the post industrial industries that are thriving today: from pharmaceuticals to finance to tech. We should have been poised to do well in a post industrial environ. We also boasted another big post industrial ingredient to success: a large population of educated and creative people with SLU and Wash U and so many other colleges nearby. We had human capital. So no. Post industrialization economic challenges isn't it. We were/are better off than many comparable cities.

As I said Dems in the city have been in charge for 70 years. This falls at their feet. The issues aren't that complicated. The city is dying because of schools and crime. Both of which drag down property values. Now blacks don't even want to live in the city. Hell Centene canceled further development plans because of crime bleeding into Clayton. He threatened to move to Charlotte during the BLM bs. Why didn't Kavanaugh build World Wide's offices in the city? He played ball at SLU. Went to high school in Spanish Lake. He's hardly a blue blood. In fact he was a blue collar guy hauling computers in the back of his van. I'll tell you why. Because no one wants to live and work in the city with all the crime and bullshit. No one wants to send their kids to city schools. So attracting employees is a nightmare. And getting talent from out of town? Forget it. You think Centene would have ever built their expansion in the city? Hell no. Because again they'd have trouble attracting employees. And because who the hell wants to pay an earnings tax if you're a high earner.

Saint Louis city is a mess because of crime and schools and poor leadership. Pointing to anything else is missing the mark. Our city leaders had ample tools to address these issues and get them under control. But they won't because they have always been led by Dems. Cori Bush is just the latest iteration of Squad politics that have poisoned the City for 70 years.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to write on this because again it's not appropriate for an Indiana board. Hopefully things improve. And keep fighting the good fight with your development and ownings in town. You have more faith than I do and you're a better son of the City than I. I'm counting down my days to getting the hell out. Anyway carry on with the good work. Maybe you'll be part of the solution. My stream of piss is done. Maybe I'll reply at 4 when I wake up again to piss.

Black families in St. Louis are leaving in droves. What’s causing the mass exodus?

More than 27,000 Black residents left St. Louis over the past decade for other counties or states. Many left for better jobs, schools and safety.

news.stlpublicradio.org

 

[82hoosier]

When I got out of IU I bought two houses with friends near campus. I loved everything about IU and Bloomington. This thread reminds me of why we soured on Indiana. Still a huge IU fan but have chosen to cheer from a distance.

 

[bub-rub]

This isn't the proper forum to debate something that really only interests the two of us. I of course agree that the city's failure to annex so many of the munis contributes greatly to its ongoing problems. But it's not THE problem with the city. It's a problem. Nor is post industrialization THE problem. The City of Stl has had dem mayors since 1949. At times all 28 BOA have been Dems. Poor leadership from Dems running the city is the largest problem. You keep throwing in Republicans. This is a one party City and has been for 70 years. There are no Republicans involved in City politics. Why you wrote plenty of Republicans were mayor when it declined in your earlier post is way off. There hasn't been one in 70 years.

Pointing to a decline in manufacturing and off-shoring is excusing derelict leadership and viewing our city in a vacuum. These economic ills haven't afflicted Stl anymore than Chicago, or Boston, or New York, or countless other cities, which all had stronger comebacks than Stl. Hell we were/are a hub for so many of the post industrial industries that are thriving today: from pharmaceuticals to finance to tech. We should have been poised to do well in a post industrial environ. We also boasted another big post industrial ingredient to success: a large population of educated and creative people with SLU and Wash U and so many other colleges nearby. We had human capital. So no. Post industrialization economic challenges isn't it. We were/are better off than many comparable cities.

As I said Dems in the city have been in charge for 70 years. This falls at their feet. The issues aren't that complicated. The city is dying because of schools and crime. Both of which drag down property values. Now blacks don't even want to live in the city. Hell Centene canceled further development plans because of crime bleeding into Clayton. He threatened to move to Charlotte during the BLM bs. Why didn't Kavanaugh build World Wide's offices in the city? He played ball at SLU. Went to high school in Spanish Lake. He's hardly a blue blood. In fact he was a blue collar guy hauling computers in the back of his van. I'll tell you why. Because no one wants to live and work in the city with all the crime and bullshit. No one wants to send their kids to city schools. So attracting employees is a nightmare. And getting talent from out of town? Forget it. You think Centene would have ever built their expansion in the city? Hell no. Because again they'd have trouble attracting employees. And because who the hell wants to pay an earnings tax if you're a high earner.

Saint Louis city is a mess because of crime and schools and poor leadership. Pointing to anything else is missing the mark. Our city leaders had ample tools to address these issues and get them under control. But they won't because they have always been led by Dems. Cori Bush is just the latest iteration of Squad politics that have poisoned the City for 70 years.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to write on this because again it's not appropriate for an Indiana board. Hopefully things improve. And keep fighting the good fight with your development and ownings in town. You have more faith than I do and you're a better son of the City than I. I'm counting down my days to getting the hell out. Anyway carry on with the good work. Maybe you'll be part of the solution. My stream of piss is done. Maybe I'll reply at 4 when I wake up again to piss.

Black families in St. Louis are leaving in droves. What’s causing the mass exodus?

More than 27,000 Black residents left St. Louis over the past decade for other counties or states. Many left for better jobs, schools and safety.

news.stlpublicradio.org

this isn’t the “proper” place? Again, wtf are you talking about? You’ve been to this board before, right? Had to stop reading right there. Yikes. Just more douche-word salad from the prince of STL. I’m all good on that. We know you’re super passionate about the very important school paper you say you wrote and the very important friends you tell strangers you have. Impressive stuff. Sorry someone from your hometown who actually knows this stuff, and who maybe has smarter friends, called you out on your dumb bullshit.

 

[mcmurtry66]

this isn’t the “proper” place? Again, wtf are you talking about? You’ve been to this board before, right? Had to stop reading right there. Yikes. Just more douche-word salad from the prince of STL. I’m all good on that. We know you’re super passionate about the very important school paper you say you wrote and the very important friends you tell strangers you have. Impressive stuff. Sorry someone from your hometown who actually knows this stuff, and who maybe has smarter friends, called you out on your dumb bullshit.

1. No one gives a shit about Stl
2. You're the moron who couldn't figure out how to read crime stats before in another thread (you repeatedly had the wrong years) and in this very thread talked about Republican mayors. Stl City hasn't had one in 70 years. Your track record of knowing nothing led me to not want to waste time with you, again, so I was trying to find a polite way out.
3. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. You can't debate any of the points because you don't know wtf you're talking about.
4. The school paper was a Master's Thesis in Public Administration. Do you know what public administration is? It's what you're trying to write about with zero knowledge. I trust your friends are as dumb as you. Any hope the city had went down the shitter with Stenger. Now forget merger. The city has historically bad leadership, which is saying a lot, and will only get worse.

 

[bub-rub]

1. No one gives a shit about Stl
2. You're the moron who couldn't figure out how to read crime stats before in another thread (you repeatedly had the wrong years) and in this very thread talked about Republican mayors. Stl City hasn't had one in 70 years. Your track record of knowing nothing led me to not want to waste time with you, again, so I was trying to find a polite way out.
3. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. You can't debate any of the points because you don't know wtf you're talking about.
4. The school paper was a Master's Thesis in Public Administration. Do you know what public administration is? It's what you're trying to write about with zero knowledge. I trust your friends are as dumb as you. Any hope the city had went down the shitter with Stenger. Now forget merger. The city has historically bad leadership, which is saying a lot, and will only get worse.

says the soccer guy who talks touches(?) w that one other soccer guy. At least he seems okay. What do I love most about aging? Self-awareness.

again, I’m sure it was a cool paper. Link? At 30 yrs old all masters programs seem impressive and then you get near 50, and you’ve worked with lots of people w lots of degrees, and realize some must have been tough and some were maybe just an expensive, if not intellectually enriching, way to pad a resume. Not sure of the case here but I’ve got my suspicions. You keep using space to talk about your degree. Jeez man, let the arguments speak for themselves. Oh ya, it’s just culture warrior jibberish.

 

[mcmurtry66]

says the soccer guy who talks touches(?) w that one other soccer guy. At least he seems okay.

again, I’m sure it was a cool paper. Link? At 30 yrs old all masters programs seem impressive and then you get near 50, and you’ve worked with lots of people w lots of degrees, and realize some must have been tough and some were maybe just an expensive, if not intellectually enriching, way to pad a resume. Not sure of the case here but I’ve got my suspicions. You keep using space to talk about your degree. Jeez man, let the arguments speak for themselves. Oh ya, it’s just culture warrior jibberish.

The City's 70 year decline with Dems exclusively in charge speaks for itself

 

[DANC]

says the soccer guy who talks touches(?) w that one other soccer guy. At least he seems okay. What do I love most about aging? Self-awareness.

again, I’m sure it was a cool paper. Link? At 30 yrs old all masters programs seem impressive and then you get near 50, and you’ve worked with lots of people w lots of degrees, and realize some must have been tough and some were maybe just an expensive, if not intellectually enriching, way to pad a resume. Not sure of the case here but I’ve got my suspicions. You keep using space to talk about your degree. Jeez man, let the arguments speak for themselves. Oh ya, it’s just culture warrior jibberish.

I've got no dog in this fight, but if you said Republicans have participated in the government of St. Louis, you're either ignorant or lying.

 

[bub-rub]

The City's 70 year decline with Dems exclusively in charge speaks for itself

hey, if keeping it as simple as 12th grade civics class works for you….

now you can get back to the Ukraine-Russia thread and ask where Russia is and why we should be concerned with their doings. Lol

 

[mcmurtry66]

hey, if keeping it as simple as 12th grade civics class works for you….

now you can get back to the Ukraine-Russia thread and ask where Russia is and why we should be concerned with their doings. Lol

Apparently 12th grade civics is where you tapped out. You sure as shit are out of your league here. Go back to the free board.

 

[bawlmer]

An FBI agent is found guilty of lying and is not punished?

And you have no idea what the article is trying to say?

LMFAO!

ex-FBI agent, according to the linked story.

Do we know why he was fired? Not sure the bad actions of someone after he's been fired ought to tarnish his former employer.

 

[bub-rub]

I've got no dog in this fight, but if you said Republicans have participated in the government of St. Louis, you're either ignorant or lying.

he’s right about the dem mayors and the absolutely shitty jobs they’ve done. He’s wrong about city Republicans not f*cking it up prior to the 50s and wrong about current county/ state republicans, whose hands are also bloody as hell.

im sure this is snoozers for most but interesting microcosm of the broader political climate in the US. The other side can’t possibly be 💯 wrong all the time. That’s child’s talk.

 

[mcmurtry66]

he’s right about the dem mayors and the absolutely shitty jobs they’ve done. He’s wrong about city Republicans not f*cking it up prior to the 50s and wrong about current county/ state republicans, whose hands are also bloody as hell.

im sure this is snoozers for most but interesting microcosm of the broader political climate in the US. The other side can’t possibly be 💯 wrong all the time. That’s child’s talk.

Wtf are you talking about? Are you trolling? Before 70 years ago? Good grief. The mass exodus occurred DURING the 70 years. Hell in the 70s and 80s the state streets were full of middle class families. Now forget it. Ever drive around St Mary's high today? Nightmare. Hell Slay went to St Mary's. Stenger went to Dubourg. Those neighborhoods are a shadow of what they once were. Crime has taken over. And county Republicans?? Seriously are you this clueless on facts? Page, Stenger, Dooley and Westfall were all Dems. Jesus dude find some facts. If you can't get basic facts right it's impossible to discuss

 

[DANC]

he’s right about the dem mayors and the absolutely shitty jobs they’ve done. He’s wrong about city Republicans not f*cking it up prior to the 50s and wrong about current county/ state republicans, whose hands are also bloody as hell.

im sure this is snoozers for most but interesting microcosm of the broader political climate in the US. The other side can’t possibly be 💯 wrong all the time. That’s child’s talk.

I can't speak for anyone else, but it's interesting to me. I compare it to Indianapolis, which has had majority Republican mayors in the same time frame (and a Democrat mayor now who is a disaster, by all accounts).

Here's the thing - in densely populated areas, as major cities in the US are, you MUST have a major police presence to maintain order. It's not like living in Mayberry. You can't depend on the population just getting along like a hippy village. There needs to be aggressive, and persistent, policing.

You can't follow a 'defund the police' philosophy or not back up police officers. You can't kowtow to the police union, either. Democrat-run cities like Chicago are so corrupt, even the police are suspect.

I had friends whose parents grew up in St. Louis - they loved it. Now, they wouldn't step foot in it. It's sad to see a great American city in this situation.

I'd be interested to hear some of your ideas of how the situation can be improved (and I don't mean that in a snarky manner).

 

[IUCrazy2]

he’s right about the dem mayors and the absolutely shitty jobs they’ve done. He’s wrong about city Republicans not f*cking it up prior to the 50s and wrong about current county/ state republicans, whose hands are also bloody as hell.

im sure this is snoozers for most but interesting microcosm of the broader political climate in the US. The other side can’t possibly be 💯 wrong all the time. That’s child’s talk.

Both sides can be wrong, but it is kind of hard to lay a whole lot of blame on a party that has not been able to really impact decisions in a city since before the Korean War. 1949 was 73 years ago. The average lifespan of a man in the U.S. is around 78 years old.

If the GOP messed things up so bad prior to 1949 (based on your unsupported statement), the Democrats have had 73 years (which is almost 30% of the time that the U.S. has been a country) to fix it. Then you want to blame the suburbs because the cities cannot get their shit together. Okaaay.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I can't speak for anyone else, but it's interesting to me. I compare it to Indianapolis, which has had majority Republican mayors in the same time frame (and a Democrat mayor now who is a disaster, by all accounts).

Here's the thing - in densely populated areas, as major cities in the US are, you MUST have a major police presence to maintain order. It's not like living in Mayberry. You can't depend on the population just getting along like a hippy village. There needs to be aggressive, and persistent, policing.

You can't follow a 'defund the police' philosophy or not back up police officers. You can't kowtow to the police union, either. Democrat-run cities like Chicago are so corrupt, even the police are suspect.

I had friends whose parents grew up in St. Louis - they loved it. Now, they wouldn't step foot in it. It's sad to see a great American city in this situation.

I'd be interested to hear some of your ideas of how the situation can be improved (and I don't mean that in a snarky manner).

Indy is like nirvana compared to the city of Stl

 

[IUCrazy2]

Indy is like nirvana compared to the city of Stl

Indy has their own braindead Joe that is doing what he can to change that.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Indy has their own braindead Joe that is doing what he can to change that.

Did you elect Cori Bush and her clones to run the city?

 

[mcmurtry66]

In 1950 the city had 900,000 residents. It's peak in population. It was the 8th largest City in America. 70 years of Democratic leadership and it has under 300,000 and is routinely ranked the most dangerous city in America. It's been a long decline

Both sides can be wrong, but it is kind of hard to lay a whole lot of blame on a party that has not been able to really impact decisions in a city since before the Korean War. 1949 was 73 years ago. The average lifespan of a man in the U.S. is around 78 years old.

If the GOP messed things up so bad prior to 1949 (based on your unsupported statement), the Democrats have had 73 years (which is almost 30% of the time that the U.S. has been a country) to fix it. Then you want to blame the suburbs because the cities cannot get their shit together. Okaaay.

 

[DANC]

Indy is like nirvana compared to the city of Stl

I know! That was my point.

Are you counting East St. Louis as part of St. Louis? because I remember 50 years ago, driving back from Texas to Indiana for Christmas leave in the Army and a carload of us was driving through St. Louis at around 5 am and we were about out of gas. We stopped in EAST St. Louis, not realizing how it was and stopped at a gas station that wasn't open yet. We had to have gas, so we waited for the station to open.

Finally, the owner showed up, looked us over, and said "What the hell are you boys doing here. You shouldn't be here". We gassed up and got the hell out of there.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I know! That was my point.

Are you counting East St. Louis as part of St. Louis? because I remember 50 years ago, driving back from Texas to Indiana for Christmas leave in the Army and a carload of us was driving through St. Louis at around 5 am and we were about out of gas. We stopped in EAST St. Louis, not realizing how it was and stopped at a gas station that wasn't open yet. We had to have gas, so we waited for the station to open.

Finally, the owner showed up, looked us over, and said "What the hell are you boys doing here. You shouldn't be here". We gassed up and got the hell out of there.

Lol like a scene from Vacation. No E Stl is Illinois

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

I've got no dog in this fight, but if you said Republicans have participated in the government of St. Louis, you're either ignorant or lying.

Me either, but I think what he was saying is that it's a problem created over that last 150 years, with 99% of it caused by the period BEFORE the last 70 years though.

*** oops I guess I was late to the party.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Me either, but I think what he was saying is that it's a problem created over that last 150 years, with 99% of it caused by the period BEFORE the last 70 years though.

*** oops I guess I was late to the party.

Yeah that's not true. Problems from that far back certainly contribute to the problems today. Hell you can go back to the genesis of the city. Slave town. No county. Failure to annex wealthier suburbs. Pursuing steam over rail so that Chicago become Chicago and Stl became Stl. But In 1950 the population was at it's peak. In the 80s middle class families lived throughout the city still. In neighborhoods today that are completely trashed. 70 years of wokeism before it had a label combined with incestuous parochialism killed the city. While other cities grew and resurrected themselves after the economy changed Stl never adopted the best practices of other places. It had leaders born in the city, that grew up in the city, and lived their whole lives there.

And there have been concerted efforts to revitalize and gentrify neighborhoods. The lofts around Washington Ave led by the McGowans. But every effort will always fail in the long run if schools aren't up to par and safety isn't a given. Families will always pursue those two things. Good schools and low crime. So people bolted.

 

[bub-rub]

Yeah that's not true. Problems from that far back certainly contribute to the problems today. Hell you can go back to the genesis of the city. Slave town. No county. Failure to annex wealthier suburbs. Pursuing steam over rail so that Chicago become Chicago and Stl became Stl. But In 1950 the population was at it's peak. In the 80s middle class families lived throughout the city still. In neighborhoods today that are completely trashed. 70 years of wokeism before it had a label combined with incestuous parochialism killed the city. While other cities grew and resurrected themselves after the economy changed Stl never adopted the best practices of other places. It had leaders born in the city, that grew up in the city, and lived their whole lives there.

And there have been concerted efforts to revitalize and gentrify neighborhoods. The lofts around Washington Ave led by the McGowans. But every effort will always fail in the long run if schools aren't up to par and safety isn't a given. Families will always pursue those two things. Good schools and low crime. So people bolted.

problems from that far back? It’s the same damn problem as today. A constrained and now dying city surrounded by too many just-now-getting-sick fiefdoms, all working against each other, with Jeff City’s outsized influence and dipshit machinations also driving nails into the coffin. The dems control the city, not the whole system. It’s both parties, thinking like you, stirring turd soup.

 

[cosmickid]

An FBI agent is found guilty of lying and is not punished?

And you have no idea what the article is trying to say?

LMFAO!

Well you certainly got mcphoney all hot and bothered with your post here responding as if my reply to an OPINION piece (from something called the "Western Journal") was somehow an assault on the truth. Strange how you phrase this as "being found guilty of lying" when the case never went to trial, and the article says he PLED guilty to a single misdemeanor count of "evidence tampering".

Not only is that not supportive of the claim you made, but you've sure done an about face on your opinion of "guilty pleas" involving lying, compared to how you viewed (and defended) Mikey Flynn following his guilty plea involving lying to the FBI. I wonder why that is?

And this claim from the article caught my eye, because I've seen it before...

"Tisaby later admitted that he took no notes and did not ask a single “substantive question” during his meetings with the Greiten accuser."

Any idea where? I doubt you know, because you've got about the same degree of self awareness as the folks at the "Western Journal" who seem to flaunt their lack of awareness like a badge of honor. In fact in their zeal to point out what they see as a double standard of justice for elites and non-elites they even reference the Clinesmith case. This is an example of an outright lie...

"Last year, former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith was handed a light sentence of probation and community service after being found guilty of falsifying documents against Donald Trump during the FBI’s corrupt “Crossfire Hurricane” probe into so-called Russian collusion."

There was nothing regarding Trump in the Clinesmith case, as he was charged with changing Page's supposed status as an FBI informant. The surveillance was targeted to Page, and the FISA warrant wasn't even applied for until Oct 2016, after Page publicly announced he was leaving the Trump campaign in Sept, a month earlier. There is plenty in Page's background that is suspicious, but for some reason Trumpers have latched on to him as some aggrieved "hero".

Similar to the way the same Evangelicals who condemn people for sins like Adultery, sex outside of marriage, lying and all the other moral vices they supposedly abhor seem to have a loss of memory and selective application when it comes to Trump. I grew up in that sort of neo-Evangelical framework, so it's interesting to see all the folks at my mom's church give Trump a pass out of political expediency...

But anyway back to that particular phrase and the claim that was how this FBI agent conducted his "investigation"... I take you back to the much heralded filing by Dunham charging of Michael Sussman...

Now substitute FBI General Consel Baker (for Tisaby) in the previously mentioned quote, and you have the same exact defense the Sussmann legal team included in their response to Durham's recent filing, which was basically to gain more time while he tries to patch up a seriously floundering case...

Not only was Baker the only person present to "interview" Sussman over the tip Sussman was providing, but Baker's recall of what Sussman said has changed on at least 3 separate occasions. And has been remarkably different based on the audience he was speaking with. In fact in a meeting with Agent Priestap to debrief him on what Sussman told him, Baker couldn't even decipher his own notes...

"Given two exhibits Sussmann included with this motion (and other publicly available documents), it’s easy to see why Durham wants more time.

That’s because Jim Baker has said at least four different things that conflict with the alleged lie that Durham claims Sussmann told in a September 19, 2016 meeting with then-FBI General Counsel Baker:

On or about September 19, 2016, SUSSMANN met with the FBI General Counsel at FBI Headquarters in the District of Columbia to convey the Russian Bank-1 allegations. No one else attended the meeting. During the meeting, the following, in substance and part, occurred:
SUSSMANN stated falsely that he was not acting on behalf of any client, which led the FBI General Counsel to understand that SUSSMANN was conveying the allegations as a good citizen and not as an advocate for any client;
SUSSMANN stated that he had been approached by multiple cyber experts concerning the Russian Bank-1 allegations;
SUSSMANN provided the names of three cyber experts, but did not name or mention Tech Executive-1, the Clinton Campaign, or any other person or company referenced [in Durham’s indictment];

"Durham has charged Sussmann with affirmatively lying about representing a client in that meeting.

In an earlier post, I argued that Durham probably hadn’t actually quoted what transpired in this meeting because his sources (meaning Baker, Bill Priestap’s hearsay notes of Baker’s account of the meeting, and some CIA personnel Sussmann met at a later meeting) offered different versions of what Sussmann actually said."

By Popular Demand: John Durham Claims His Memory Is More Skewed than James Baker's - emptywheel

For witnesses at risk of prosecution, John Durham says, refreshed memory is better than the original. For himself, however, freshened memory is useless in explaining away incorrect statements.

www.emptywheel.net

John Durham Wants Permission to Delay Providing Evidence of How Weak His Michael Sussmann Case Is - emptywheel

John Durham has already stalled over two months to provide Michael Sussmann evidence that shows his case against him is weak. And according to details about a scheduling dispute Sussmann made public yesterday, Durham would like permission to continue stalling on providing that evidence.

www.emptywheel.net

Just thought it was interesting that these clowns at "Western Journal" used the same phrase that appears in Sussmann's reply to Durham regarding how the "interview" was conducted...And yet they talk about the different ways people are treated.

But like I said I hope the MO GOP nominates Greitens. Especially with the breaking news that Busch heiress Trudy Valentine has entered the Dem Primary and Sifton has dropped out and endorsed her.