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American Airlines plane crash


There was a former chopper pilot on either Newsmax or Fox who in an aside (while they were discussing NVG use) mentioned they he had a "near miss" with a landing aircraft at Reagan because he mistook their lights as ground background lights (they basically blended into the background) ...

It's possible that this happens more often than is publicly reported...
 
It is the SECOND PILOT, not in command, aka co-pilot, who hasn't been identified yet, but rumors are was female.

I couldn’t tell you the first thing about flying a Blackhawk Helicopter, or any helicopter. I also couldn’t tell you what military protocol is for these situations.

Nor have I seen any information about who was doing what and when.

But I can tell you that, for the aircraft I’ve flown, Pilot in Command is not the same thing as Pilot in Control.
 
There was a former chopper pilot on either Newsmax or Fox who in an aside (while they were discussing NVG use) mentioned they he had a "near miss" with a landing aircraft at Reagan because he mistook their lights as ground background lights (they basically blended into the background) ...

It's possible that this happens more often than is publicly reported...
I’m sure a whole, whole lot happens that isn’t publicly reported - maybe especially in that airspace (which is, or is at least very near, the most restricted airspace in the world).
 
I couldn’t tell you the first thing about flying a Blackhawk Helicopter, or any helicopter. I also couldn’t tell you what military protocol is for these situations.

Nor have I seen any information about who was doing what and when.

But I can tell you that, for the aircraft I’ve flown, Pilot in Command is not the same thing as Pilot in Control.

They'll learn who was actually flying the helicopter by who has the severely broken thumb when they recover the other two military personnel.

Apologies if anyone related to the crew is reading this but that's one of the ways they actually determine who was in control of the helicopter...

 
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There could be a million different reasons. My brother is a West Point grad and spent several years flying the Blackhawk. I talked to him at lunch and his thoughts were: (1) it is up to the blackhawk pilot to avoid commercial aircraft; (2) the Blackhawk is nearly impossible to see at night; (3) radar at airports is limited, and it is starting to be come antiquated. He pointed out that the radio reports indicate that the helicopter pilot was aware of jet, ATC told him about it, and he acknowledged it. Could be an instrument failure, could be an issue where the blackhawk pilot and crew were focused on internal controls. Could be anything.

I really don't need to blame anyone at the moment. 60 plus people lost their lives in an accident. I'm almost think some people on this board are actually not too upset because it becomes an easy off road to take a shit on someone.


This is the text my brother sent me last night after talking with his West Point buddies:

"This is as good of an explanation as we have seen. Bottom line, helicopter cannot be above 200’ and needs to hug the east bank of river. Looks like he got to 300’, for a little bit more toward the center of the river, making it worse, and did not ID the correct aircraft."
 
I am mostly concerned that the FAA/ATC hire the best possible people for the job. Obviously, the prior administration had no such goal.
Obviously you have no clue if the best people were hired or not in the prior administration. If understaffing iissues is accurate, then everyone that is qualified likely was hired and dei would have had 0 effect.

If they are working 60 hours plus a week then maybe the bigger issue is not attracting enough people to work as an ATC
 
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Trump shouldn't have said what he said. No one is expecting "quiet acquiescence" about that. Jesus would ask you to love and forgive him, though. Do you?
Forgiveness? Can you imagine Trump ever asking for anyone’s forgiveness? Me neither.

Love? I’m a frequent blood donor. I’m strong, healthy, monogamous and drug-free, so my donations are always gladly accepted. If, by some extraordinary set of circumstances, Trump ever needed my blood, I’d roll up my sleeve and ask “where’s the phlebotomist?”After his transfusion, though, I might mess with his head by lying and telling him that, prior to my donation, I had a wild weekend of unprotected sex with an assortment of LGBTQ people. Lol.
 
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The helicopter pilots surely know that the airspace where the crash occurred is in the approach zone for airplanes and so they should be flying very low.

The operative words are: should be... Evidently that's not always the case and that CNN article I linked makes me wonder how many near misses have gone unreported...
 
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The helicopter pilots surely know that the airspace where the crash occurred is in the approach zone for airplanes and so they should be flying very low.
There were 2 planes, one taking off on its right and the one descending on the left which the helicopter crashed into. Looks pretty obvious that they only saw the one.

But they were looking right at it so you can’t completely rule out something nefarious.

 
There were 2 planes, one taking off on its right and the one descending on the left which the helicopter crashed into. Looks pretty obvious that they only saw the one.

But they were looking right at it so you can’t completely rule out something nefarious.

Far and away the best video I’ve seen yet. No surprise daughtery has it. Wonder if he’s still bothering with classes
 
There were 2 planes, one taking off on its right and the one descending on the left which the helicopter crashed into. Looks pretty obvious that they only saw the one.

But they were looking right at it so you can’t completely rule out something nefarious.

There was also one right behind the one that crashed and the guy in the video I linked thinks they saw that plane and not the one taking off.
 
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The lizard people of course. Using magnets and telekinesis to lift the 60 ton stones. At least that is what my cousin tells me (right after letting us know that lady Gaga is a shapeshifter)

There were 2 planes, one taking off on its right and the one descending on the left which the helicopter crashed into. Looks pretty obvious that they only saw the one.

But they were looking right at it so you can’t completely rule out something nefarious.

That video is chilling. Good God.
 
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There was also one right behind the one that crashed and the guy in the video I linked thinks they saw that plane and not the one taking off.
Don't think so. The helo pilot was instructed to fly 'behind' the aircraft on final. The second aircraft was approx 2 minutes behind the accident. At approx 81 mph, the helo would have been 2-1/2 miles past the point of intersection of the flight paths. He flew in front of, not behind the second aircraft.
 
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There was also one right behind the one that crashed and the guy in the video I linked thinks they saw that plane and not the one taking off.
I’m referring to this one here that you can see in front taking off. I assume they saw that and thought that was the plane the ATC warned them about. But they were staring right at the plane they eventually hit. Crazy.

 
I’m referring to this one here that you can see in front taking off. I assume they saw that and thought that was the plane the ATC warned them about. But they were staring right at the plane they eventually hit. Crazy.

So you've gone from DEI to Islamic terrorist.

Anything else left?

I suppose there are Illuminati and Bilderbergers
 
I feel for DBM, with his seeing threats behind everything, his BP must be 200/120. I saw that tweet and just sighed, nothing comes from him without some conspiracy attached.
Everyone is thinking the same thing including US Senators. Watch the video again and compare it to the 9/11 planes hitting the tower. Sure looks deliberate unless Stevie Wonder was flying the chopper. I guess that is possible.

 
Everyone is thinking the same thing including US Senators. Watch the video again and compare it to the 9/11 planes hitting the tower. Sure looks deliberate unless Stevie Wonder was flying the chopper. I guess that is possible.

Search what Black Hawk pilots are saying and tell me if any of them are saying that. I have read several, like below. They say the same things, the night vision goggles really restrict your view and city lights causes one to lose aircraft at night, the aircraft lights blend into the city lights. Plus, either pilot can fly a Black Hawk, so the second pilot could have taken control if they saw the first pilot was trying to crash.

Of course we cannot rule out ANYTHING until the investigation, so it is wrong to say it is NOT intentional. But then again, can you rule out that a UFO used a magnetic beam to pull the Black Hawk into the plane?

 
When you have inside info and you’re on the front line stress is just part of the game. The life he’s chosen

I am sure the front lines of Jade Helm and the Battle of Bowling Green were rough.

I feel for Mas, seeing what he saw and going through what he went through is certain PTSD and the paranoia that comes with it. I've said before, I saw that paranoia in my Vietnam Vet brother. I'm unsure what history DBM has, but something isn't working right to have that much hypervigilance.
 
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I am sure the front lines of Jade Helm and the Battle of Bowling Green were rough.

I feel for Mas, seeing what he saw and going through what he went through is certain PTSD and the paranoia that comes with it. I've said before, I saw that paranoia in my Vietnam Vet brother. I'm unsure what history DBM has, but something isn't working right to have that much hypervigilance.
what if he’s Don jr
 
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Everyone is thinking the same thing including US Senators. Watch the video again and compare it to the 9/11 planes hitting the tower. Sure looks deliberate unless Stevie Wonder was flying the chopper. I guess that is possible.

You are thick as a brick. When I called you the dumbest poster in WC history, I nailed it.
 
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Search what Black Hawk pilots are saying and tell me if any of them are saying that. I have read several, like below. They say the same things, the night vision goggles really restrict your view and city lights causes one to lose aircraft at night, the aircraft lights blend into the city lights. Plus, either pilot can fly a Black Hawk, so the second pilot could have taken control if they saw the first pilot was trying to crash.

Of course we cannot rule out ANYTHING until the investigation, so it is wrong to say it is NOT intentional. But then again, can you rule out that a UFO used a magnetic beam to pull the Black Hawk into the plane?

Fair. But if vision is that poor and it's that dangerous why are they conducting a night exercise right by a busy airport where planes are constantly landing and taking off? And why were they flying so high?

People need answers to those questions and hopefully the investigation will answer them. If not, you're going to get conspiracy theories.
 
Everyone is thinking the same thing including US Senators. Watch the video again and compare it to the 9/11 planes hitting the tower. Sure looks deliberate unless Stevie Wonder was flying the chopper. I guess that is possible.

Go ahead, dbm, post the BS about the pilot being trans. It's viral and 100 percent false, but you don't care about the truth at all.
 
Fair. But if vision is that poor and it's that dangerous why are they conducting a night exercise right by a busy airport where planes are constantly landing and taking off? And why were they flying so high?

People need answers to those questions and hopefully the investigation will answer them. If not, you're going to get conspiracy theories.

Can you rule out that the pilots were concerned with their soon role in the invasion of Greenland and that distraction caused it? Can you rule out the Russians have a system that messes with avionics, and the chopper's systems were reading 200 feet in a hit on the Russian figure skaters on the plane? Right, it is all "possible", there isn't a need to mention all 1 million possible things it could be. We'll find out in due time.
 
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