Hope you’re right. I’m worried they break through and it’s the classic fail, learn, and then succeed story. That would be really horrible to watch.
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Why not try to emulate Villanova or Kansas?
Purdue is really good. I actually enjoy watching them play. Quite obviously I'd trade what IU has done in the last few years with what they've done.
And obviously, they could break through this year. Lance Jones is a difference maker they've not had paired with Edey yet. Smith has grown quite a lot since last year. It could happen. But look at what they've looked like on the road against decent teams this year.
They're far from dominant.
It honestly won't bother me. Doubt it happens, but it won't bother me a ton if it does.
***edited to add... and if Purdue winning a Natty is what it takes for IU bball to pull its head out of its ass, then I'd be glad it happened. In the end, I really only care if IU is good or not.
This fan knows CMK’s future as well as where prospects will end up? Thats some web of connections he has.
These pronouncements seem like a reading of the tea leaves in combination of what is known today. Either way, none of it is good for IU.
These pronouncements seem like a reading of the tea leaves in combination of what is known today. Either way, none of it is good for IU.
Overall body of work brother. The last 25-30 years PU been a much better program than Iu.
You do if you are serious about building a successful program. OSU would fire someone after year 1 in football with equivalent results. They've discussed firing Day for not beating Michigan.
Purdue has as good of a chance to make it to the FF as anyone else. They are the best team in the B1G, which may not be saying alot. But.....How many times has IU even been to the NCAA tournament in the past 20 years? 4 or 5? It can't be much more than that. I am an IU fan....but my daughter went to Purdue. I'll be rooting for them...as they are in the tournament and will be a high seed. IU remains irrelevant in college basketball. If you want to criticize poor track records...that one is ripe for the picking.
Yep they really are solid team. Painter should have made the final four back in 2019 honestly . He blew that game against Virginia at the end of regulation .
I have a feeling that comeback versus Ohio State saved this shitty situation from ending. Please, lose out. Be like these football first programs and care about your basketball program... wait.. Did I just say that? jfc
We have been trying to do what you are saying for 20 years now and it has led to 20 years of failure. The Purdue method isn't what I said, they rarely sniff a 5*. I am talking the Bob Knight method. The best kids from Indiana, good fits from the region, and then mix in Top 50 recruits to fill needs.
Purdue has had 2 top 50 recruits since 2017. Kaufmann-Renn and Ewing.
So no, not Purdue. Indiana. The Indiana we used to be instead of the cheap imitation Painter has to run in West Lafayette.
For some reason IUBB thinks these sort of wins are amazing. I don’t get it.
I've been thinking you're a Purdue troll for quite a while but today has convinced me. Go on back to your own board. You have been pumping Purdue here relentlessly for weeks, more and more blatantly. Your facade has crumbled. We had Painter-like seasons with Crean. He wasn't good enough.
At least its an "imitation". "IU basketball" is a contradiction in terms at this point in time. And it will continue to be for the forseeable future. We as fans have been trained over a two decades to grin and bear it. Sure...we can come here and ventilate. But the inner circle in the IU administration and board have an entirely different set of priorities than we do. They are cleaning up financially from "basketball revenues" of every sort. It has nothing to do with results on the court. Their accountants give them the results they are really interested in.
Not at all dude. Just tired of Iu renegade ball
And NW just lost their best player. Another meaningless win for Dolson and Quinn to be giddy over.
No they didn’t. Fans said all that. They just gave him money to hire a head coach for an offensive coordinator. They extended the basketball coach who never did better than 4th in the conference. Sounds to me they aren’t that serious.
If he were to strike out, if retained, they should fire him for that alone.
Well, unless they follow our lead. In which case their next coach will be Chris Jent.
Want to bet he’s not the guy the settle on?
He is 56-8 in his career and the fan base is putting heat on admin. Osu will do everything they can to win. Next year is huge for Day
They've still got Buie. Barnheiser will still light us up. Berry is a big loss but they're still a good team.
Phuck injuries. I get it hasn’t been ideal, but when you don’t recruit depth, injuries mean more. On the coaches, period
We have been trying to do what you are saying for 20 years now and it has led to 20 years of failure. The Purdue method isn't what I said, they rarely sniff a 5*. I am talking the Bob Knight method. The best kids from Indiana, good fits from the region, and then mix in Top 50 recruits to fill needs.
Purdue has had 2 top 50 recruits since 2017. Kaufmann-Renn and Ewing.
So no, not Purdue. Indiana. The Indiana we used to be instead of the cheap imitation Painter has to run in West Lafayette.
This is the way. You are absolutely right that you guys could have done the Purdue method but at a higher level.
You had the prestige, the resources, the brand cache, etc.
The new Indiana has been trying the watered down Kentucky way for 20 years now.
IU hasn't seen a Final Four in 23 years and only 1 in the last 30. One in which IU went through like three double digits seeds to get to. That team was also made up of the culture of RMK.
This idea that Indiana's new 5 star strategy is even remotely a good idea is fools gold. It can hardly make the tournament on any sort of consistent basis.
If Purdue wins a natty this year it's going to be one more nail in the coffin for the old IU brand in this state.
Time to right the ship is dwindling. That "40 year" clock is fast approaching for the Hoosiers.
I believe Alford would have been a better choice. He has coached a ton of college basketball games.
How much you want to bet he’s there in 3 years? Football isn’t basketball either. They let Holtmann run around for 7 years. Ohio state football is a different animal than Ohio state basketball.
We’ve. Had. Horrible. Coaching.
Villanova and Kansas are the way, for IU. With a good coach.
Sampson would have won multiple nattys by now at IU, and he wouldn’t have focused on Indiana kids.
Not saying I want a Sampson-like program. But Id take a Jay Wright-like program, and that is more than realistic.
IU just needs the right coach.
It is true that OSU football has very high standards. Tom Allen would have been a coach there for 5 minutes.
Talk about counting chickens. When pU loses in the tournament will you eat crow?
I’m not betting on it but they are spending a crap ton this off season. If he doesn’t get it done, I could see them moving on or he taking another job.
They will march through the B1G next year. They will be a top 2 in the playoff.
The OP presents a speculative view of the future regarding current recruits and the program as it exists today in-game on the floor (and by extension—off of it).
I don’t disagree with any of it because that too would involve a fair deal of speculation on my part. Not my thing.
Evidence based individual by and large.
What I do not think is in the least way speculative is that the culture of this program is and has been broken.
Wins would help for sure.
All the 5 stars are a plus. Certainly don’t hurt. Thank God for a good airport look to this squad.
But culture is what engenders enduring success.
Culture isn’t coming from 17 year old recruits.
Culture certainly isn’t coming from this ass-chapped fan base and what is said daily about admin, coaching and players.
No answers here. Also no speculation.
Facts are facts.
No one logical wants this garbage for their family especially with greener grass all over the country.
Beard, Day, Stevens whoever will look hard at not what the sycophants here see but what the rest of the college world sees. Likely already have.
The “I’ll fix it guy” (for a truckload) may be out there. I think we might have one now. Anyone want another one?
Every parent and recruit sees all this too.
Regardless of our abundantly stated ability to out-bid/buy all of them.
Can’t buy culture.
I don’t disagree with any of it because that too would involve a fair deal of speculation on my part. Not my thing.
Evidence based individual by and large.
What I do not think is in the least way speculative is that the culture of this program is and has been broken.
Wins would help for sure.
All the 5 stars are a plus. Certainly don’t hurt. Thank God for a good airport look to this squad.
But culture is what engenders enduring success.
Culture isn’t coming from 17 year old recruits.
Culture certainly isn’t coming from this ass-chapped fan base and what is said daily about admin, coaching and players.
No answers here. Also no speculation.
Facts are facts.
No one logical wants this garbage for their family especially with greener grass all over the country.
Beard, Day, Stevens whoever will look hard at not what the sycophants here see but what the rest of the college world sees. Likely already have.
The “I’ll fix it guy” (for a truckload) may be out there. I think we might have one now. Anyone want another one?
Every parent and recruit sees all this too.
Regardless of our abundantly stated ability to out-bid/buy all of them.
Can’t buy culture.
I agree, if the fumble again like this year. It will get restless in Columbus. They honestly should win it next talent wise.
Sampson would have been caught if IU hadn't turned him in because he had already been caught at OU. And then it would have been a 5 year post season ban and scholarship restrictions for 4-6 years because IU hired a known cheater, and then covered up for him. The penalty would have been as high as the NCAA could go short of the death penalty..
If anyone questions day as a coach they shouldn’t. Hes good. Michigan was better and look what it took.
Actually a I think it was a Purdue tied lawyer(watchdog)got him I believe. Senderhoff was doing all kinds of stuff too. IU just took control and self imposed, fired etc…this was when the ncaa wasn’t fighting lawsuits. That’s how KU and UNC won. They saw how vulnerable they had become. Time and timing is not a friend to IU. Maybe coach sig changes the football future.
This is setting up for Ohio state and Georgia. If Day wins it or makes it to the final game they will back him 100%. Who else are they going to hire?
What Painter has done is outlast Beilein, Matta, Ryan, and Izzo (better coaches) and reaped the benefits of IU's coaching hire failures. If Matt was going to do something on the national stage, he would have done it 15 years ago. If it walks like Gene, talks like Gene, looks like Gene, etc.
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